Copil and Branny

[123kid]

At this age do they ever seem likely to break through? Or were they just overrated like alot of our kids.

 

Who from the reserves/u19 do you feel are likely to break through? If they ever get a chance of course (which seems doubtful a la Glen).

[Feeno]

At this age do they ever seem likely to break through? Or were they just overrated like alot of our kids.

 

Who from the reserves/u19 do you feel are likely to break through? If they ever get a chance of course (which seems doubtful a la Glen).

 

Doubtful like Berra, Driver, Eggert, Mole & Wallace?

[Commander Harris]

At this age do they ever seem likely to break through? Or were they just overrated like alot of our kids.

 

Who from the reserves/u19 do you feel are likely to break through? If they ever get a chance of course (which seems doubtful a la Glen).

We have one of the youngest squads in the league so we're obviously prepared to give some young players a chance.

 

EDIT: feeno's basically said the same above.

[123kid]

We have better youth players than those currently playing in the first team, is what I mean.

[Victorian]

the old football cliche...

 

if they're good enough, they're old enough.

 

they ARE old enough. obviously not good enough then.

[Feeno]

We have better youth players than those currently playing in the first team, is what I mean.

 

If you know this then why are you asking? Did you no say they were overrated???

[123kid]

If you know this then why are you asking? Did you no say they were overrated???

 

Sorry,

 

When I said that we have better youngsters than those in the first team, I was explaining what I said about Glen not getting a chance.

 

Forget my "they wont get a chance" comment.

 

I was asking who you thought was good enough to come through to the first team.

 

And as we'd thought Copil and Branny would be there by now, im questioning if they were ever that good.

 

At this age, the prospects they were made out to be would have been able to get in our very average team, in a ****e league.

[Buffalo Bill]

I'm really looking forward to Rapnik and McGowan getting into the team.

 

 

I very much doubt Copil we'll see the first team.

 

 

Buffalo Bill

 

.

[Guest juvehearts]

whilst we should be excited about the prosect's of these youth players making the step up.

 

i am really doubtful that they will be given ANY chance under the dictatorship of Mr Romanov.

 

keeping kello in goals, & balogh on the bench rather than young jamie mcdonald at the tender age of 22.

 

putting makela on the bench rather than glen, putting Ksanavicius (who is 31 ffs) rather than branny/copil/rapnic/wagner e.c.t) Miko & ruben i can understand, I cant understand makela & Ksanavicius being placed on the bench.

[jamboBG]

At this age do they ever seem likely to break through? Or were they just overrated like alot of our kids.

 

Who from the reserves/u19 do you feel are likely to break through? If they ever get a chance of course (which seems doubtful a la Glen).

 

With this thread you maked mistake. Branny is "persona non grata" for many people who like to cry on the shoulders of direktors and working vs.him. Now you open old wound. Simple is to hate. Maeby you watch that I stoped to write, because the same cry people are non stop on this board and make problems (including scandals) for Branny. He have no idea what going here, but...

 

Good luck for Copil!

[Del1812]

whilst we should be excited about the prosect's of these youth players making the step up.

 

i am really doubtful that they will be given ANY chance under the dictatorship of Mr Romanov.

 

keeping kello in goals, & balogh on the bench rather than young jamie mcdonald at the tender age of 22.

 

putting makela on the bench rather than glen, putting Ksanavicius (who is 31 ffs) rather than branny/copil/rapnic/wagner e.c.t) Miko & ruben i can understand, I cant understand makela & Ksanavicius being placed on the bench.

 

Erm, I'm pretty sure the most important thing is to try and win as many games as possible and get back into European contention. Rather than throwing in youngsters who aren't good enough or ready yet.

 

Glen's omission seems to be down to a poor attitude - I have no problems with that. Two good performances and two goals in 5 games does not give him the right to expect a first team place.

 

Romanov has always been one for playing younger players - nearly always too early. E.g. the constant picking of Mole (still very young btw) over Bednar, Pinilla, Velicka etc when Valdas was coach, preferring Wallace to Fyssas at times, Jonsson starting just about every game at the start of last season.

 

What makes you think Jamie McDonald is anything special and any better than Kello or Balogh? Because he played for Queen of the South?

[Guest juvehearts]

Erm, I'm pretty sure the most important thing is to try and win as many games as possible and get back into European contention. Rather than throwing in youngsters who aren't good enough or ready yet.

 

Glen's omission seems to be down to a poor attitude - I have no problems with that. Two good performances and two goals in 5 games does not give him the right to expect a first team place.

 

Romanov has always been one for playing younger players - nearly always too early. E.g. the constant picking of Mole (still very young btw) over Bednar, Pinilla, Velicka etc when Valdas was coach, preferring Wallace to Fyssas at times, Jonsson starting just about every game at the start of last season.

 

Complete & utter BS. This was solely down to shaggy as if you have already forgotten was head of youth when valdas was at the club, Hearts has a established 1st team squad & could afoard to dabble with youth at that time, we won the cup that season.

 

Pinilla playes a total of 5 games for hearts. Mole couldnt hit a cows ass with a banjo & has been proven in his handful of games, bednar was another 40 games & 12 goals. nothing special & moved on to pastures new for a decent fee. the only justfifed player you have mentioned is Velicka.

 

the saying goes, if youre good enough....... not when it comes to hearts it seems as Mr romanov has his own adgenda of playing substandard eastern european trash infront of promising youth.

 

What makes you think Jamie McDonald is anything special and any better than Kello or Balogh? Because he played for Queen of the South?

 

He excelled & improved at QoS & deserves his chance in the hearts 1st team. Kello & balogh are solid enough keepers, IMo dont think the laddie will get his chance at hearts & belive he should GTF out of this circus we call hearts.

[TheBigTeam]

With this thread you maked mistake. Branny is "persona non grata" for many people who like to cry on the shoulders of direktors and working vs.him. Now you open old wound. Simple is to hate. Maeby you watch that I stoped to write, because the same cry people are non stop on this board and make problems (including scandals) for Branny. He have no idea what going here, but...

 

Good luck for Copil!

 

Not a clue what your slavering about.

[Del1812]

He excelled & improved at QoS & deserves his chance in the hearts 1st team. Kello & balogh are solid enough keepers, IMo dont think the laddie will get his chance at hearts & belive he should GTF out of this circus we call hearts.

 

Why if you play well at Queen of the South do you deserve your chance in the Hearts first team?

 

Is it that hard to believe Kello and Balogh are better goalkeepers than Jamie Mac?

 

You still never answered my other examples of Romanov wanting to blood youngsters. To say young players won't get a chance at Hearts because of Vlad is based on little evidence IMO.

 

Youngsters have been victim of some strange first team selections but no more than any other type of player at the club. In fact, in terms of getting appearances in the first team, some have benefited (as I stated before) from Vlad's strange ways.

[Guest juvehearts]

Why if you play well at Queen of the South do you deserve your chance in the Hearts first team?

 

Is it that hard to believe Kello and Balogh are better goalkeepers than Jamie Mac?

 

You still never answered my other examples of Romanov wanting to blood youngsters. To say young players won't get a chance at Hearts because of Vlad is based on little evidence IMO.

 

Youngsters have been victim of some strange first team selections but no more than any other type of player at the club. In fact, in terms of getting appearances in the first team, some have benefited (as I stated before) from Vlad's strange ways.

 

 

You havent read my post proplery then.

you havent gave me examples of him giving youngsters a chance either, all his loanee's are over the age of 21. Ksanavicius is 31 ffs! hardly a youngster is he & yet he is picked above glen, rapnic, wagner mcgowan.

 

the ONLY player that has been in the hearts 1st team that was not last year is Jason Thompson.

 

Weither kello & balgoh are or not, only time will tell, balgoh's 1st game foe hearts was a clean sheet, so far so good, kello is a good goalkeeper, rubbish with his kicking & is theirfor a bombscare when it comes to backpasses & kickouts.

[BobbyJenkins]

Not a clue what your slavering about.

 

Im sure he thinks the same about alot of posts on here.

[Spellczech]

I really hope they make it but I fear that the whole setup for youth in Scotland is wrong. If you are a big lad then you play CB, if you are small you are a winger, if slow a FB...When Kostadinov came to Hearts he was a talented striker, but from what I've heard he gets played more often on the right wing or as an attacking midfielder. Copil I thought to be an attacking midfielder but he hardly seems to ever get a full game...

 

I know Romanov spent money on players but he seems to have totally neglected the coaches. How can we have any faith that the youth coaches have the ability to bring youth through when we know that the first team coach has been changed 7 times since Robbo left...Burley, McGlynn, Rix, Ivanauskas, Malofeev, Korbochka, Frail, Lazlo...We know that McGlynn and Frail were both working with the young and reserve players so once they moved up prior to being punted or leaving, what are the chances that they were replaced by better coaches at the youth and reserve level?

[Ray Winstone]

With this thread you maked mistake. Branny is "persona non grata" for many people who like to cry on the shoulders of direktors and working vs.him. Now you open old wound. Simple is to hate. Maeby you watch that I stoped to write, because the same cry people are non stop on this board and make problems (including scandals) for Branny. He have no idea what going here, but...

 

Good luck for Copil!

 

What?

 

Did you just make that up?

 

It sounds like you are saying that Branny is not getting a game because people on here are working against him.

[washniklaw]

Branny was spotted in the Nke Factory Outlet in Livingston on Sat afternoon. I hope he makes it, I feel sorry for the boys that the Evening News made such a big deal of them.

[alwaysthereinspirit]

Sorry,

 

When I said that we have better youngsters than those in the first team, I was explaining what I said about Glen not getting a chance.

 

Forget my "they wont get a chance" comment.

 

I was asking who you thought was good enough to come through to the first team.

 

And as we'd thought Copil and Branny would be there by now, im questioning if they were ever that good.

 

At this age, the prospects they were made out to be would have been able to get in our very average team, in a ****e league.

 

Now you're back tracking. That's original poster suicide. They will smell blood and you will be torn apart like a rag doll.

RUN.

[jamboBG]

What?

 

Did you just make that up?

 

It sounds like you are saying that Branny is not getting a game because people on here are working against him.

 

I have prohibition to write for this thema.But I can to repeat. Concret people cry on the shoulders of directors, because Branny's brother write here that thay are comical specialists. From the most prospect in Europe, now we tallking for...From one month dad said me to stop. I stoped. But I know well what level player he can to be. But he need time, after this long press.

 

Copil is not my thema. He is hi talent.

 

NB: For all spys on this board. I know all not for Branny. He have realy no idea what going here. But from first day here (January 2006) I have several friends near this spys that send me non stop information what going. At the momment i have not contact with Branny, but I have information from today. Finaly - I can to say to all spys: respect to you! You have no wiredness...

[Ray Winstone]

I have prohibition to write for this thema.But I can to repeat. Concret people cry on the shoulders of directors, because Branny's brother write here that thay are comical specialists. From the most prospect in Europe, now we tallking for...From one month dad said me to stop. I stoped. But I know well what level player he can to be. But he need time, after this long press.

 

Copil is not my thema. He is hi talent.

 

NB: For all spys on this board. I know all not for Branny. He have realy no idea what going here. But from first day here (January 2006) I have several friends near this spys that send me non stop information what going. At the momment i have not contact with Branny, but I have information from today. Finaly - I can to say to all spys: respect to you! You have no wiredness...

 

''Spies'' ??

 

You are as paranoid as Romanov.

[jamboBG]

''Spies'' ??

 

You are as paranoid as Romanov.

 

007

[rdewar42]

Not a clue what your slavering about.

 

Not a very eloquent response to someone whose first language is not English.

 

How's your Bulgarian?

[jamboBG]

Not a very eloquent response to someone whose first language is not English.

 

How's your Bulgarian?

 

Thanks, but no problem. People...

[jambopompey]

Not a very eloquent response to someone whose first language is not English.

 

How's your Bulgarian?

 

well put, jamboBG is branny's brother, who despite not having english as his first choice of language does come across ok, you may need to read his posts a few times to get at what he is saying, but im sure many of us would be worse trying to write in Bulgarian (and i know some that struggle with English).

[CJGJ]

Reality is that those particular two were elevated as special long before they had proved their talent in the Scottish game -- they needed to be developed in the under 19's then progress to the reserves and if good enough the first team -- they are still young and perhaps are only now being given the right signals from above and as a result responding to this in their performances.

 

We under estimate how difficult it must have been for both to move to a new country with the need to learn a new language and a new way of life.

 

Branny seems to be getting more involved in the reserves this season and it is up to him now to show his worth -- he was not the strongest physically and has needed time to develop in that way.

Copil had perhaps too much placed upon his shoulders and believed all the hype -- he seemed to demand more than he was capable of -- hence his walk out display last season.

He has returned and with a manager who can converse well with him on a 121 basis should now be ready to show his worth but he needs to realise that there are other youngsters who have not spat the dummy out and are working hard to make the step up -- it will not be given to him.

Remember though out of 15 youngsters at 16 only 5 will make it and not all of them at the top level.

[coppercrutch]

well put, jamboBG is branny's brother, who despite not having english as his first choice of language does come across ok, you may need to read his posts a few times to get at what he is saying, but im sure many of us would be worse trying to write in Bulgarian (and i know some that struggle with English).

 

I would prefer if some posters on this place did post in Bulgarian..

[rdewar42]

I would prefer if some posters on this place did post in Bulgarian..

 

I'll bear that in mind:)

[TheBigTeam]

Not a very eloquent response to someone whose first language is not English.

 

How's your Bulgarian?

 

Whats he going on about.Spies etc.For your information i got his post i was asking what he was going on about.Cause it sounded nonsense i wasnt ripping him because his English isn't good.

[jamboBG]

Whats he going on about.Spies etc.For your information i got his post i was asking what he was going on about.Cause it sounded nonsense i wasnt ripping him because his English isn't good.

 

Да не ти пука. Бъди зрав!

[rdewar42]

Whats he going on about.Spies etc.For your information i got his post i was asking what he was going on about.Cause it sounded nonsense i wasnt ripping him because his English isn't good.

 

Pax. But you could have worded your post better.

 

As I said, "slavering" is scarcely eloquent, and a little insulting.

 

P.S. I concur with your lionizing of Mr Busby.

[TheBigTeam]

Pax. But you could have worded your post better.

 

As I said, "slavering" is scarcely eloquent, and a little insulting.

 

P.S. I concur with your lionizing of Mr Busby.

 

Slavering just a saying i use.Didnt mean to offened him.

[scott herbertson]

Да не ти пука. Бъди зрав!

 

That's telling him!

[Del1812]

You havent read my post proplery then.

you havent gave me examples of him giving youngsters a chance either, all his loanee's are over the age of 21. Ksanavicius is 31 ffs! hardly a youngster is he & yet he is picked above glen, rapnic, wagner mcgowan.

 

the ONLY player that has been in the hearts 1st team that was not last year is Jason Thompson.

 

Weither kello & balgoh are or not, only time will tell, balgoh's 1st game foe hearts was a clean sheet, so far so good, kello is a good goalkeeper, rubbish with his kicking & is theirfor a bombscare when it comes to backpasses & kickouts.

 

That's what my examples were, Romanov giving youngsters a chance who don't actually deserve to be played as often as they are - or aren't ready to play that much.

 

My point isn't that things are fine... they are clearly not. But I don't get the opinion that youngsters need to flee the club to get a chance, I just don't think there is much basis for that. There have been youngsters under Romanov who have been handed contracts they didn't deserve and played when they didn't deserve it either.

[BobbyJenkins]

I get the impression JamboBG means there are people from the club who dont like him talking about Branny on here. There also people on here who, due to JamboBG's talk of Branny, were starting to get a bit unkind to him saying he was all about promoting his brother and that hes not rerally that good a player etc.

 

This of course could have an impact on Branny in terms of fans giving him a chance. Some Hearts supporters are far from patient.

[letsalllaughathobos]

i would like to see copil and branny(and whoever else) have a couple apperences whether that be last 20mins or so of some games.

you never know we might find a wee gem and give the young lads some confidense.

[jambo19]

i would like to see copil and branny(and whoever else) have a couple apperences whether that be last 20mins or so of some games.

you never know we might find a wee gem and give the young lads some confidense.

 

ye same, give players like rapnik, mcgowan, glen, copil kostadinov a chance, see what they've got. have them on the bench and bring them on or if theres any wee games like early round of scottish cup

[markletissier]

if i wasn't working all the time i'd like to go watch these two. always been excited to see the new breed in action.

[Guest juvehearts]

That's what my examples were, Romanov giving youngsters a chance who don't actually deserve to be played as often as they are - or aren't ready to play that much.

 

My point isn't that things are fine... they are clearly not. But I don't get the opinion that youngsters need to flee the club to get a chance, I just don't think there is much basis for that. There have been youngsters under Romanov who have been handed contracts they didn't deserve and played when they didn't deserve it either.

 

 

Who are these named players?

 

we all know mole is on of them, who if any are the others?

 

all players deserve a chance to play 1st team football, if they apply themselfs in traning (which they do) and go about their profession in the correct manor (which they do) then surely they deserve at the very least to be a named sub, rather than a 31yr lith called Ksanavicius, whom time after time has not produced the goods & we all know the reason sas to why he continually is picked in the 1st 18.

 

and people wonder why on this board fans for years wont come back until the madness stops.

 

picking jamie mole & makela infront of glen is farce, the wee laddie has more tallent in his right peg than the 4 of their legs combined.

 

mole couldnt hit a cow's ass with a banjo & makela is just a headless chicken running about the park possiably going cluck cluck.

 

Here this one is for you JAMBO BG.

ask Branny for me how many more goals has he scored in traning than jamie mole & makela combined.

 

cheers

Juve

[jambo in iraq]

I have prohibition to write for this thema.But I can to repeat. Concret people cry on the shoulders of directors, because Branny's brother write here that thay are comical specialists. From the most prospect in Europe, now we tallking for...From one month dad said me to stop. I stoped. But I know well what level player he can to be. But he need time, after this long press.

 

Copil is not my thema. He is hi talent.

 

NB: For all spys on this board. I know all not for Branny. He have realy no idea what going here. But from first day here (January 2006) I have several friends near this spys that send me non stop information what going. At the momment i have not contact with Branny, but I have information from today. Finaly - I can to say to all spys: respect to you! You have no wiredness...

 

so if I'm not mistaken, both your brother branny (who you are now not in contact with) and your father are angry at you for posting on this board about Branimir. Your father asked you to stop for the sake of Branny but you continue to go against his wishes.

 

Look its as simple as this... If he was good enough he would be in the first team squad same applies for Copil. From what I've seen of Branny he would be well advised to go on loan and get first team experience. He looks good from what Ive seen and is a decent worker, but he really needs to play first team football. Why won't he go on loan, is he too special in his own world?

[Coco]

Why would youth players signed under the Romanov pyramid scouting system be expected to be any better than the disastrous lot of senior players signed under it?

[Walter Bishop]

Copil and Kostadinov can leave right now for all i care, i'd rather see a couple of young scots (preferably jambos) given their chance to make it at this club not a couple of wasters who think they are big time charlie`s and take every word been told to them by their parents/advisors as gospel!!!

 

Remember it wasnt long ago when "Branny" according to his bro and father was going to Man city!!! :eek: :107years::107years:

[Jam Tarts 1874]

Why would Romanov ever have insisted that Mole, Wallace or Elliot plays? It doesn't make sense, it seems that there are the usual losers on here who will point to any player who is not being effective and claim that they must be "Vlad picks", it is an assertion that is stupid, juvenile and incorrect.

 

Back to the main point of the thread. Copil has done nothing to get himself even a regular under-19 place, never mind progressing to anything else. Every time I see Branny in the reserves he does not impress.

 

As others have mentioned, the best reserve players I have seen over the past year (I watch the reserves regularly) are Mackle, McGowan, Husband, Glen (before he got his new contract and thought he was "the special one"), Rapnik and Ryan Wallace. All of these reserve players I have just mentioned except Rapnik have been in the first team squad on more than one occassion. However, Csaba has made it clear that he is a little concerned about the already young average age of our first team, so I would have thought that other youngsters are going to have to be patient.

[Meadows]

Why would Romanov ever have insisted that Mole, Wallace or Elliot plays? It doesn't make sense, it seems that there are the usual losers on here who will point to any player who is not being effective and claim that they must be "Vlad picks", it is an assertion that is stupid, juvenile and incorrect.

 

Back to the main point of the thread. Copil has done nothing to get himself even a regular under-19 place, never mind progressing to anything else. Every time I see Branny in the reserves he does not impress.

 

As others have mentioned, the best reserve players I have seen over the past year (I watch the reserves regularly) are Mackle, McGowan, Husband, Glen (before he got his new contract and thought he was "the special one"), Rapnik and Ryan Wallace. All of these reserve players I have just mentioned except Rapnik have been in the first team squad on more than one occassion. However, Csaba has made it clear that he is a little concerned about the already young average age of our first team, so I would have thought that other youngsters are going to have to be patient.

 

 

Contender for post of the season in my opinion !