Dazo Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 While some of us are having a good moan anyone know what this guy does ? I have been watching football for a long time and I don't think I have seen an assistant take so little interested during the game. Every opposition assistant seems to be taking a active role during the game. Shouting at players, taking to subs, speaking to the manager etc. Ours ? he seems to sit in the dug out playing with his baws most of the time. Has anyone ever seen him outside the dugout or giving orders to any of the players during a game ? Petty? Maybe but it is really starting to annoy me especially when we are losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 While some of us are having a good moan anyone know what this guy does ? I have been watching football for a long time and I don't think I have seen an assistant take so little interested during the game. Every opposition assistant seems to be taking a active role during the game. Shouting at players, taking to subs, speaking to the manager etc. Ours ? he seems to sit in the dug out playing with his baws most of the time. Has anyone ever seen him outside the dugout or giving orders to any of the players during a game ? Petty? Maybe but it is really starting to annoy me especially when we are losing. He's probably still a bit confused about having suddenly and inexplicably been transported from here: to here: Understandable, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Both Csaba and Werner said at the start that he'd be in the background, as opposed to a 'Billy Brown' type. Buffalo Bill . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Not really relevent to the thread but has anyone else been to wannaburger near cockburn st? Pretty damn tasty but quite pricey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Not really relevent to the thread but has anyone else been to wannaburger near cockburn st? Pretty damn tasty but quite pricey. I passed it the other day after a lunchtime spent perusing the goodies in Avalanche. Felt tempted, but strolled further to different pastures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 He's been making Nades burgers. Damn good at it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 While some of us are having a good moan anyone know what this guy does ? I have been watching football for a long time and I don't think I have seen an assistant take so little interested during the game. Every opposition assistant seems to be taking a active role during the game. Shouting at players, taking to subs, speaking to the manager etc. Ours ? he seems to sit in the dug out playing with his baws most of the time. Has anyone ever seen him outside the dugout or giving orders to any of the players during a game ? Petty? Maybe but it is really starting to annoy me especially when we are losing. i stand right behind the dug out and he just sits there like a dummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Csaba said he was a quiet type who would be there to provide a bit of calm in contrast to Csaba's madness. You're just looking for things to criticise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 Csaba said he was a quiet type who would be there to provide a bit of calm in contrast to Csaba's madness. You're just looking for things to criticise. So what does he actually do then apart from be quiet and calm? Is there any point in him being there if he does nothing to help Csaba during the games. You really don't have to look if I wanted to criticise but it really gets on my nerves that the guy just sits there when we are getting beat. Surely nothing stopping him getting involved in a quiet but calm way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 So what does he actually do then apart from be quiet and calm? Is there any point in him being there if he does nothing to help Csaba during the games. You really don't have to look if I wanted to criticise but it really gets on my nerves that the guy just sits there when we are getting beat. Surely nothing stopping him getting involved in a quiet but calm way. How do you know he and Csaba aren't discussing what's going on in German throughout the game? You're basically criticising him for not jumping about like Ally McCoist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboLad Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 So what does he actually do then apart from be quiet and calm? Is there any point in him being there if he does nothing to help Csaba during the games. You really don't have to look if I wanted to criticise but it really gets on my nerves that the guy just sits there when we are getting beat. Surely nothing stopping him getting involved in a quiet but calm way. So before when it was just Frail in charge everyone insisted we needed a management team (i.e a manager to come in and bring an assistant) he is an assistant, he helps Csaba, he is Csaba's pal from back in the day. what do you want him to do when we are getting beat? Run on the pitch and stick a rocket up someone's arse. Who knows what some people want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Csaba gets it tight for jumping about and Burger gets it for sitting down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 How do you know he and Csaba aren't discussing what's going on in German throughout the game? You're basically criticising him for not jumping about like Ally McCoist! Did I say I wanted him to jump about ? Could he simply not get out his seat and have a word with the players So before when it was just Frail in charge everyone insisted we needed a management team (i.e a manager to come in and bring an assistant) he is an assistant, he helps Csaba, he is Csaba's pal from back in the day. what do you want him to do when we are getting beat? Run on the pitch and stick a rocket up someone's arse. Who knows what some people want. helps him put the cones out ? Whats all this crap about jumping about and running on the pitch ? I simply asked is it to much for him to get out his seat and have a word with the under performing players. That's what I want if its ok with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Werner Burgers are quite nice, the secret is having lots of chilli sauce with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboLad Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Whats all this crap about jumping about and running on the pitch ? I simply asked is it to much for him to get out his seat and have a word with the under performing players. That's what I want if its ok with you. I think Csaba does that enough for the both of them. You just picking at anything to criticize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Weathers Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Isn't Burger involved in the youth set up as well, or has experience of youth coaching? Our 19's have won their last four games! Maybe he does more than we think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 I think Csaba does that enough for the both of them. You just picking at anything to criticize. Some players may reacted positively to Csaba dancing about the dug out shouting at anybody who wants to listen. Others may reacted positively to being spoken to by the quiet calm assistant. Picking at anything ? Complete bollox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Csaba gets it tight for jumping about and Burger gets it for sitting down. So to paraphrase; The heid yin, who hasn't got a ****ing scooby as to what he's doing, jumps about like a loon to make it look like he's passionate and knows what he's doing. The assistant, who hasn't got a ****ing scooby as to what he's doing, just sits playing pocket billiards, comfortable with the fact that he doesn't know what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 So to paraphrase; The heid yin, who hasn't got a ****ing scooby as to what he's doing, jumps about like a loon to make it look like he's passionate and knows what he's doing. The assistant, who hasn't got a ****ing scooby as to what he's doing, just sits playing pocket billiards, comfortable with the fact that he doesn't know what he's doing. Now you just picking at anything to criticize. Seriously don't see the problem in asking what this guy does during match days. If he is the youth/reserve coach then fine get out the ****ing dug out and let somebody in who is going to help the team during games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Now you just picking at anything to criticize. Seriously don't see the problem in asking what this guy does during match days. If he is the youth/reserve coach then fine get out the ****ing dug out and let somebody in who is going to help the team during games. I was having a dig at both of these jokers to be honest. I'm not taken in by Casba's theatrics, the windmilling of the arms and the jumping around. We were **** yesterday and no amount of leaping around or showing 'passion' alters the fact that the person to blame for yet another dire performance is Csaba. Unless or until he comes out and says i'm not picking the team or setting the formation or tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatore's Tash Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I was told that neither Csaba nor Burger go to reserve games. Even when first team players are playing. WTF??? They should both be ashmed if thats the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 So what does he actually do then apart from be quiet and calm? Is there any point in him being there if he does nothing to help Csaba during the games. You really don't have to look if I wanted to criticise but it really gets on my nerves that the guy just sits there when we are getting beat. Surely nothing stopping him getting involved in a quiet but calm way. So, rather than then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 So, rather than then? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I was having a dig at both of these jokers to be honest. I'm not taken in by Casba's theatrics, the windmilling of the arms and the jumping around. We were **** yesterday and no amount of leaping around or showing 'passion' alters the fact that the person to blame for yet another dire performance is Csaba. Unless or until he comes out and says i'm not picking the team or setting the formation or tactics. I think that we all know that he can't come out with the comment in the last line of your post. He knew the script when he came in at Hearts. But anyway, I am not impressed by either of the new parts of the management committee. Even if VR and the rest of the committee are picking the side/subs/tactics - Laszlo and Burger could be coaching from the sidelines, spotting weaknesses in the opposition (perhaps targeting the Killie left back on Saturday could have borne fruit as he looked shakey). But no, now that the results are going against us the histrionics and clowning by Laszlo have stopped and Burger continues to sit mute in the dugout. Pair of jokers. Robbo had the right idea about Laszlo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Some real reactionary nonsense on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 The important thing about Werner is that Csaba chose him and trusts him. On the premise that Csaba remains the "main man" this is all that really is important. And we should be careful, he'll probably be our interim head coach at some point over the next couple of years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 anyone know what this guy does ? They had a jukebox put in the changing room and when it breaks down he is the one who fixes it. Aaaay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 6, 2008 Author Share Posted October 6, 2008 Some real reactionary nonsense on this thread. Feel free to point it out. Unless I have missed something our assistant manager has no interaction with the players during games. You have to ask why the hell he is there. Is it really that wrong to expect him to get involved ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk and Chance Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I passed it the other day after a lunchtime spent perusing the goodies in Avalanche. Felt tempted, but strolled further to different pastures. any good? always wanted to go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N User Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I'm pretty sure Mr Burger gave instructions to each one of our subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 It is Burger and Tam Ritchie who do the player warm up routines, exercises & drills on match days whilst Ramoska works with the goalies preparations. Burger then takes the starting eleven into the changing room about 10-15 mins before the game begins. He's sometimes out preparing a sub at half time...I think he is more of a training ground coach than a touchline bawler & shouter like Billy Brown or Peter Houston are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatore's Tash Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 It is Burger and Tam Ritchie who do the player warm up routines, exercises & drills on match days whilst Ramoska works with the goalies preparations. Burger then takes the starting eleven into the changing room about 10-15 mins before the game begins. He's sometimes out preparing a sub at half time...I think he is more of a training ground coach than a touchline bawler & shouter like Billy Brown or Peter Houston are. You know nothing, sick of your pesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 You know nothing, sick of your pesh What part of my post was incorrect Mr Expert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 You know nothing, sick of your pesh wow, I have held back from posting on this thread but some comments I feel are perfect amunition for hobos to mock us. We sign up Werner Burger as assitant. When he came in he said that he is more for the behind of scenes. Csaba has on countless times said that he has brought Burger in to work on developing the younger players for the first team having worked with the German youth set up doing this and other clubs. Here Csaba explains about him: http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1358755,00.html and here Burger states that he will more be in the backround: http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1359372,00.html also a small bit about Burger in this article: http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/Father-figures-will-help-grow.4442976.jp I think asking Burger to jump up and down in the dug out is like moving the deck chairs on the titanic, it doesn't really do anything. It adds confusion to players having two people shouting things at players, I am pretty sure Burger says things Csaba who will make comments to the players in the process. What is clear that Burger's affect on the team is away from the match, his experence and knowledge appear in the way the U19s players and reserves are developing. In the fact that we have a young team who need guidance, his work is not shouting at players on the pitch. And as for going at nmh, i find it odd some peoples grief at him, the usual taunts of him being Charlie, well I have been at U19s matches and never seen charlie standing there. Yes it maybe more posistive towards vlad and the "regieme" than other posts but he does say alot of correct things which I feel are worth reading. I think a comment like yours is poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I'm pretty sure Mr Burger gave instructions to each one of our subs. Was he sitting down when he did this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 6, 2008 Author Share Posted October 6, 2008 wow, I have held back from posting on this thread but some comments I feel are perfect amunition for hobos to mock us. We sign up Werner Burger as assitant. When he came in he said that he is more for the behind of scenes. Csaba has on countless times said that he has brought Burger in to work on developing the younger players for the first team having worked with the German youth set up doing this and other clubs. Here Csaba explains about him: http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1358755,00.html and here Burger states that he will more be in the backround: http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1359372,00.html also a small bit about Burger in this article: http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/Father-figures-will-help-grow.4442976.jp I think asking Burger to jump up and down in the dug out is like moving the deck chairs on the titanic, it doesn't really do anything. It adds confusion to players having two people shouting things at players, I am pretty sure Burger says things Csaba who will make comments to the players in the process. What is clear that Burger's affect on the team is away from the match, his experence and knowledge appear in the way the U19s players and reserves are developing. In the fact that we have a young team who need guidance, his work is not shouting at players on the pitch. And as for going at nmh, i find it odd some peoples grief at him, the usual taunts of him being Charlie, well I have been at U19s matches and never seen charlie standing there. Yes it maybe more posistive towards vlad and the "regieme" than other posts but he does say alot of correct things which I feel are worth reading. I think a comment like yours is poor. FFS who is asking for burger to jump about ? You and your band of merry men keep going on about this crap without reading a single word. All I asked was what he does because I have not seen him do a single thing except sit in the dug out. I have never seen him have a word with the players(bollocking or encouragement) and it annoys me when we are getting beat. If he is here to work with the youths then fine get out the dug out. NMH old user name used to be Charlie so your barking up the wrong tree again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N User Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Was he sitting down when he did this? Yes, with a pad and paper. I specifically remember it because he was talking to wee Audrey and I was slightly dissapointed that Ksanavicius was coming on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Maybe he sits there quietly during the games because Shabba has asked him to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboMarc Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 He keeps Shabba calm and under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 FFS who is asking for burger to jump about ? You and your band of merry men keep going on about this crap without reading a single word. All I asked was what he does because I have not seen him do a single thing except sit in the dug out. I have never seen him have a word with the players(bollocking or encouragement) and it annoys me when we are getting beat. If he is here to work with the youths then fine get out the dug out. NMH old user name used to be Charlie so your barking up the wrong tree again. er...did you read my post? it clearly has articles that explain what he does, so I did answer your post, jumping up and down was in relation to what others have been saying. I admit I was wrong about NMH being referred to as charlie by some users as you said that was his old nickname, but there are some on here who seem to think he is either employed by hearts or charlie Mann which is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeBandit Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 So before when it was just Frail in charge everyone insisted we needed a management team (i.e a manager to come in and bring an assistant) he is an assistant, he helps Csaba, he is Csaba's pal from back in the day. what do you want him to do when we are getting beat? Run on the pitch and stick a rocket up someone's arse. Who knows what some people want. Let's face it someone fecking well needs to!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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