Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Havent seen this mentioned but hearts paid off 3 youths ( minimum) before the window closed These where the 5 year crew who have done nothing, the ones I know of are Doherty (who signed for linfield), Lithgow and Pelosi A few others maybe went too Funnily enough they didnt document this Anyone know if anyone else went? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 More negative spin, this site makes me feel so happy:sad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 OMG! I bet no youngsters have ever been paid off before? This must mean something....really it must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 there's a few who played on saturday that should be paid off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejtee Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 What an irrelevant post. There are always guys who don't make it. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Havent seen this mentioned but hearts paid off 3 youths ( minimum) before the window closed These where the 5 year crew who have done nothing, the ones I know of are Doherty (who signed for linfield), Lithgow and Pelosi A few others maybe went too Funnily enough they didnt document this Anyone know if anyone else went? pelosi wasnt that good.didnt know about lithgow and a lot of competition for doherty so he wasnt going to make it. i'm not too bothered about letting them go but if we let go of mcgowan, kostadinov, copil, park, husband, r wallace i will be concerned as they might make it in the future unlike the 3 mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 What an irrelevant post. There are always guys who don't make it. So what? Well the difference is most clubs dont have lots of them in their late teens/early 20's on 5 year deals that they are having to pay up Most youths are lost through natural wastage around 17-19 as opposed to actually being paid off as per our lot have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I also heard that Romanov ran over a small puppy not unlike Lassie. When will the madness end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejtee Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I think you will find that we have had as many of the duds on loan as possible. Also don't remember any of these guys being on lengthy deals. All for longer deals with the better ones as I am sure we all are. Can you shift your attack to something sensible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 to be honest at least we have got rid of some of the players that have been clogging up hearts reserve and youth teams. Yes it was terrible we got in that posistion but having less below average players in the team the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 I think you will find that we have had as many of the duds on loan as possible. Also don't remember any of these guys being on lengthy deals. All for longer deals with the better ones as I am sure we all are. Can you shift your attack to something sensible? Pelosi and Doherty where both on 5 year deals - with 3 to run - with their wages rumoured to be ?500-?1k a week Now thats a contract worth approx 75k each minimum now say we paid them off with even 50% thats still the best part of 100k gone not to mention any others who went too that I havent heard about And yes whilst long term deals can be good we are clearly not doing them properly, Mole, Elliot , Wallace ,and Mackle all have them too and since then they seem to be going down the Simmons road If this was a few 18yr olds leaving at the end of a deal like mearns then no problem but we are incurring significant wage bills and pay offs for players who are never going to make it and almost certainly never where when the deals where dished out and its a serious concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 You would probably have started a thread moaning that they were still here if we had not released them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 You would probably have started a thread moaning that they were still here if we had not released them. Your probably right because vlad has ****ed hundreds of thousands of the clubs cash down the drain over the last few years on crap like pelosi, doherty, lithgow, armstongs, mclaughlin etc who 99% of people could see where never making it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Havent seen this mentioned but hearts paid off 3 youths ( minimum) before the window closed These where the 5 year crew who have done nothing, the ones I know of are Doherty (who signed for linfield), Lithgow and Pelosi A few others maybe went too Funnily enough they didnt document this Anyone know if anyone else went? I see your name next to a post and cringe. Is that wrong for me just to assume it's a negative posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPAL Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Its old news Prancer with a poor negative spin by yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Its old news Prancer with a poor negative spin by yourself. Is it Cant say I saw it announced or discussed anywhere else I think its actually news the club would prefer no one knew about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Like it or not Prancer has a point -- we have wasted money over the last couple of years on handing out long term deals to youngsters -- however had any of those youngsters come through to the first team this would have been seen by most on this board as a great piece of business. It boils down to opinion and sometimes the staff will get it right and sometimes wrong -- I do not think that many on this board are qualified coaches and see these players every day so that an informed decision can be made. But it is correct to say that someone in our esteemed back room staff has made a mistake in the length of deals given -- financially though none of them were being paid near ?1000 per week. Youth systems are a gamble but it only takes one to develop for it to pay for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 The Colonel already posted about 2 weeks ago that some youngsters had agreed 30 weeks wages up-front as a pay off although he didn't name which ones had gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 The Colonel already posted about 2 weeks ago that some youngsters had agreed 30 weeks wages up-front as a pay off although he didn't name which ones had gone. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Ingram Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Pelosi last heard of on trial at Hartlepool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Ell Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Pelosi last heard of on trial at Hartlepool. Has he actually left us then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Has he actually left us then? Yes, he was on the bench for raith as a trialist 2 weekends ago Wouldnt be possible if he was registered to us As I heard it he and a lot of others where offered terminations just before the window closed, apparently he, Lithgow and Doherty took them, not sure who else was offered them and who took them Maybe someone like NMH or one of the information experts could confirm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Ell Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Yes, he was on the bench for raith as a trialist 2 weekends ago Wouldnt be possible if he was registered to us As I heard it he and a lot of others where offered terminations just before the window closed, apparently he, Lithgow and Doherty took them, not sure who else was offered them and who took them Maybe someone like NMH or one of the information experts could confirm Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Like it or not Prancer has a point -- we have wasted money over the last couple of years on handing out long term deals to youngsters -- however had any of those youngsters come through to the first team this would have been seen by most on this board as a great piece of business. It boils down to opinion and sometimes the staff will get it right and sometimes wrong -- I do not think that many on this board are qualified coaches and see these players every day so that an informed decision can be made. But it is correct to say that someone in our esteemed back room staff has made a mistake in the length of deals given -- financially though none of them were being paid near ?1000 per week. Youth systems are a gamble but it only takes one to develop for it to pay for itself. The mistake was the deals were a straight 5 years most of the new batch who have stepped up from the under 17's have been offered 3 yr deals with the option of another 2 yrs which at least set's them a target. I would also say that the batch coming through are rated by the coaching staff as the most promising the club has had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Is it Cant say I saw it announced or discussed anywhere else I think its actually news the club would prefer no one knew about are you aware that wham have split? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 are you aware that wham have split? Ok then Please supply a link to when this was previously discussed or announced thanks:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Ok then Please supply a link to when this was previously discussed or announced thanks:rolleyes: This is the only link I could find, because it is really quite old news now - http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id238.htm The entry marked November 1986 confirms it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 This is the only link I could find, because it is really quite old news now - http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id238.htm The entry marked November 1986 confirms it. cheers iain prancer, its old news, get over it....... move on to your next negative thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walton1983 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Like it or not Prancer has a point -- we have wasted money over the last couple of years on handing out long term deals to youngsters -- however had any of those youngsters come through to the first team this would have been seen by most on this board as a great piece of business. It boils down to opinion and sometimes the staff will get it right and sometimes wrong -- I do not think that many on this board are qualified coaches and see these players every day so that an informed decision can be made. But it is correct to say that someone in our esteemed back room staff has made a mistake in the length of deals given -- financially though none of them were being paid near ?1000 per week. Youth systems are a gamble but it only takes one to develop for it to pay for itself. think the players concerned were on ?500 per week and were paid a lump sum to leave. other players were offered the same but refused to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandylejambo Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 thats a bastage, i liked wham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 think the players concerned were on ?500 per week and were paid a lump sum to leave. other players were offered the same but refused to go. any names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vanderlay Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Who the hell is Prancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladtheexhaler Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Were the 5 year deals not intended to stop them going all Webster on us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPAL Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Yes Prancer, but not for your ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyjambo Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Who the hell is Prancer? Best post of the thread!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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