Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 at some of the head burying and lack of concern on this site over the last week at the lies coming from the club and also the fact we didnt have any money to pay players Firstly for me someone not transferring vital funds is not a technical hitch as was claimed Secondly the concern has to be that whether it was all an innocent mistake or not the fact cannot be lost that hearts as a club has major cashflow problems as well a lack of backing from our main bankers ( at least for day to day purposes) What would happen if we suddenly needed cash to pay for a vital bill? what happens if something does happen to ubig or the lithuanian banking system which is clearly smaller than the UK one I have seen people on here claiming its all the Media/SFA or someone else but the concern has to be that we could not pay our bills as they fell due, we are therefore not solvent. The fact is the past week has made me fear more than ever not just the long term future but the short term future and no matter how many times Berra, Csaba and Tullberg - funny how its the same 3 each time - claim they dont care about it the whole thing strikes as uneasy to me Why where the players not paid on time and what has been done to prevent it happening again? A "technical error" doesnt do it for me and the club owe it to the fans who are pumping cash into hearts to explain what happened and where the money they are putting into the club is going since its clearly not the player salaries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Fantastic. How does the club owe it to the fans to explain about players wages? They're not paying us! There was a delay, it's been resolved and the players have been paid. Big woop. If this had happened at any other club it would have barely constituted a story. But because it's Hearts, it all of a sudden becomes big news. And all the drama queens, including the ones on JKB, can't wait to show how much they are shaking with rage. If Chris Berra says it's not a problem, that's good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 If it is the fans money that pays for Hearts (which it should be) then whose money pays for the shortfall between what the club brings in and what the club has to pay out? Bank of Scotland and UKIO Bankas have been subsidising Hearts loss-making for over a decade and picking up the tab with overdraft facilities and loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 lol Its back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 Fantastic. How does the club owe it to the fans to explain about players wages? They're not paying us! There was a delay, it's been resolved and the players have been paid. Big woop. If this had happened at any other club it would have barely constituted a story. But because it's Hearts, it all of a sudden becomes big news. And all the drama queens, including the ones on JKB, can't wait to show how much they are shaking with rage. If Chris Berra says it's not a problem, that's good enough for me. Do you really believe that? If any other Scottish League team, even the likes of Annan had failed to pay wages on time it would have merrited media coverage, stranraer are currently undergoing financial crisis and it has been well covered in the press as an example. The club owe it to the fans to explain where the money is going in my view but then the romanovs clearly feel they owe us nothing and at times there statements on the website seem almost sarcastic and aiming to mock and belittle supporters As for it being a delay, in my opinion it wasn't , a delay would have been the money being a few days late due to a bank error, this was a specific case of hearts being unable to pay people because the cash flow was not in place, all it takes is for that to happen to a creditor and we are finished. As for it being resolved, is it really? what reassurances do we have that it wont happen again? or to explain why it happened? BACs payments take 2 days, Chaps same day, faster payments same day, if it was all an innocent error why did it take a week to resolve? I know if my employer had a "technical error " with wages and they are smaller than hearts it would be a log into our internet banking, an internal transfer then a bacs payment and all sorted 2 days later. As I said this was not a technical error, we could not pay the players as the money was not there, given this I feel its entirely right to be extremely concerned about our future and the risks of reoccurence And Im very happy that Christophe Berra can afford to wait a week for his wages, Im sure the non playing staff and youth players cant though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 If it is the fans money that pays for Hearts (which it should be) then whose money pays for the shortfall between what the club brings in and what the club has to pay out? Bank of Scotland and UKIO Bankas have been subsidising Hearts loss-making for over a decade and picking up the tab with overdraft facilities and loans. The law of good business would be that you ensure that the funds are in place, they clearly are not here, if Ubig are pulling out money or causing cash flow problems then something drastic needs to be done to sort things before it kills the club The fact is if we dont pay our bills on time our creditors could petiton for the club to be liquidated therefore not having immediate access to the money being used to run the club is of serious concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 what happens if something does happen to ubig or the lithuanian banking system which is clearly smaller than the UK one This stuff is always the fault of the banks, as far as I can see. They're rubbish, they don't give a pair of monkey's nuts for their customers, and their ICT and payment systems are overpriced half-baked guff held together with sellotape and paper clips and put together and maintained by people who don't know their arse from a hole in the ground. The above is what Vlad originally wanted to send out in a press release. But for some reason he changed his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 The law of good business would be that you ensure that the funds are in place, they clearly are not here, if Ubig are pulling out money or causing cash flow problems then something drastic needs to be done to sort things before it kills the club The fact is if we dont pay our bills on time our creditors could petiton for the club to be liquidated therefore not having immediate access to the money being used to run the club is of serious concern For once I will agree with you, in the sense that the Lithuanian parachuting of cash needs to stop and proper borrowing facilities for the club to draw on should be in place. However, I would say that this has led to sheriff officers appearing at the club in the past and then the money is produced so I do think that the "problem" is the command and control structure rather than UBIG's financial stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bighusref Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 at some of the head burying and lack of concern on this site over the last week at the lies coming from the club and also the fact we didnt have any money to pay players Firstly for me someone not transferring vital funds is not a technical hitch as was claimed Secondly the concern has to be that whether it was all an innocent mistake or not the fact cannot be lost that hearts as a club has major cashflow problems as well a lack of backing from our main bankers ( at least for day to day purposes) What would happen if we suddenly needed cash to pay for a vital bill? what happens if something does happen to ubig or the lithuanian banking system which is clearly smaller than the UK one I have seen people on here claiming its all the Media/SFA or someone else but the concern has to be that we could not pay our bills as they fell due, we are therefore not solvent. The fact is the past week has made me fear more than ever not just the long term future but the short term future and no matter how many times Berra, Csaba and Tullberg - funny how its the same 3 each time - claim they dont care about it the whole thing strikes as uneasy to me Why where the players not paid on time and what has been done to prevent it happening again? A "technical error" doesnt do it for me and the club owe it to the fans who are pumping cash into hearts to explain what happened and where the money they are putting into the club is going since its clearly not the player salaries Welcome back:rolleyes: By the way, you are talking absolute nonsense about the financial side (as I learned the other day there) but hey ho, continue to try to wind up Hearts fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werwolf Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Berra, Csaba and Tullberg - funny how its the same 3 each time Berra - club captain Csaba - team manager Tullberg - a new face that the media want to get to know I don't see a problem with the same 3 being quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 at some of the head burying and lack of concern on this site over the last week at the lies coming from the club and also the fact we didnt have any money to pay players Firstly for me someone not transferring vital funds is not a technical hitch as was claimed Secondly the concern has to be that whether it was all an innocent mistake or not the fact cannot be lost that hearts as a club has major cashflow problems as well a lack of backing from our main bankers ( at least for day to day purposes) What would happen if we suddenly needed cash to pay for a vital bill? what happens if something does happen to ubig or the lithuanian banking system which is clearly smaller than the UK one I have seen people on here claiming its all the Media/SFA or someone else but the concern has to be that we could not pay our bills as they fell due, we are therefore not solvent. The fact is the past week has made me fear more than ever not just the long term future but the short term future and no matter how many times Berra, Csaba and Tullberg - funny how its the same 3 each time - claim they dont care about it the whole thing strikes as uneasy to me Why where the players not paid on time and what has been done to prevent it happening again? A "technical error" doesnt do it for me and the club owe it to the fans who are pumping cash into hearts to explain what happened and where the money they are putting into the club is going since its clearly not the player salaries Have you been in Peebles for a week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Jambo Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Well i must be going soft in my old age but Prancer i agree with you .Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggo Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 If you google the very 1st edition of the Beano,that will show you why I bury my head in the sand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambojambo Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Talk about getting yer breakfast re-heated! Nothing new here - move along please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Welcome back:rolleyes: By the way, you are talking absolute nonsense about the financial side (as I learned the other day there) but hey ho, continue to try to wind up Hearts fans. Oh well thats me convinced The fact we couldn't pay our wages due to non availability of funds means nothing at all:eek: Maybe you should back up your viewpoint with an explaination as I know which is more likely to be true given our recent issues Oh and still no one has explained why a BACS couldnt be put through to the players directly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Oh well thats me convinced The fact we couldn't pay our wages due to non availability of funds means nothing at all:eek: Maybe you should back up your viewpoint with an explaination as I know which is more likely to be true given our recent issues Oh and still no one has explained why a BACS couldnt be put through to the players directly No one knows what the exact issue was, although it appears to be how the cash was meant to be transferred from Lithuania. Until that was sorted, the payments were stopped. Doesn't mean that that system is correct though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 No one knows what the exact issue was, although it appears to be how the cash was meant to be transferred from Lithuania. Until that was sorted, the payments were stopped. Doesn't mean that that system is correct though. Not too add that Hbos where clearly not happy enough it was all a simple error to give us an overdraft to cover the few days The point im making is now we are passed the stage of the wages being paid its time to question why it happened, and what the club are doing to prevent it happening again. A short term cash flow like that could kill hearts if a creditor took us to court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Not too add that Hbos where clearly not happy enough it was all a simple error to give us an overdraft to cover the few days The point im making is now we are passed the stage of the wages being paid its time to question why it happened, and what the club are doing to prevent it happening again. A short term cash flow like that could kill hearts if a creditor took us to court To be fair, I don't think HBOS are in any position to be granting unsecured ?100K overdrafts at present. And the questions are for staff, not for us. If it happens again, it's time to panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Not too add that Hbos where clearly not happy enough it was all a simple error to give us an overdraft to cover the few days The point im making is now we are passed the stage of the wages being paid its time to question why it happened, and what the club are doing to prevent it happening again. A short term cash flow like that could kill hearts if a creditor took us to court I think you will find that we do have an overdraft with HBOS, its that they weren't willing to increase it beyond the limit we were at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 To be fair, I don't think HBOS are in any position to be granting unsecured ?100K overdrafts at present. And the questions are for staff, not for us. If it happens again, it's time to panic. Geoff, I think thats the point many of us are missing. What if, and its a big if this was the scenario (clutching at straws time) I belive that the wages are transferred from Lithuania to HBOS, is this correct? What if Lithuania weren't willing to transfer the cash a week or so ago when all of the HBOS mess was up in the air. As I say, clutching at straws but maybe they didn't want to take a chance of losing that money. Its all if's and but's I know, but as you say, if it happens again then it really is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Yawn. Last weeks story. Been done to death and you know it's been a slow one when Davie Provo gets in on the act of talking bollax about it. Can we stick to having a heated debate about how gash our centre halfs are? I'll start - they're both utter pish. Please continue..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Oh well thats me convinced The fact we couldn't pay our wages due to non availability of funds means nothing at all:eek: Maybe you should back up your viewpoint with an explaination as I know which is more likely to be true given our recent issues Oh and still no one has explained why a BACS couldnt be put through to the players directly Where are you getting this part from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Where are you getting this part from? From his mate, Walter Mitty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Can we stick to having a heated debate about how gash our centre halfs are? I'll start - they're both utter pish. Please continue..... One more so than the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 The non-payment thing may or not be significant. No-one really knows. But what amazes me are the number of people who have apparently never encountered any "technical hitch" (or ******-up) with a bank or with a pay-roll department, and therefor seem able to say with certainty that these things can't happen unless something sinister is going on. Any chance of a key to this alternative universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 The non-payment thing may or not be significant. No-one really knows. But what amazes me are the number of people who have apparently never encountered any "technical hitch" (or ******-up) with a bank or with a pay-roll department, and therefor seem able to say with certainty that these things can't happen unless something sinister is going on. Any chance of a key to this alternative universe? I used to always have problems with the bank giving me my wages every other month or so, seemed that they needed to keep most of it for what I had spent the previous month. Was always very disturbing. They called it overdrawn, I called it a technical hitch. Its been going on for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I was amazed by the panic that came from the story ,tales of Ogilvie,Southern et all being sacked or walking out ,the club was to go the way of gretna by this monday. That to me was more amusing than the head in the sand stuff not that i think that there was a lot of that after it was confirmed they had not been paid . the coming weeks will tell if there are serious problems ahead in terms of money problems ,given there is not much we can do except speculate my advice would be lets wait and see. I expect a good few folk will be waiting with barely concealed glee in the hope the players are not paid this week which is a sad state of affairs in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I expect a good few folk will be waiting with barely concealed glee in the hope the players are not paid this week which is a sad state of affairs in itself. I hope the players aren't paid this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gorgie kev Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 at some of the head burying and lack of concern on this site over the last week at the lies coming from the club and also the fact we didnt have any money to pay players Firstly for me someone not transferring vital funds is not a technical hitch as was claimed Secondly the concern has to be that whether it was all an innocent mistake or not the fact cannot be lost that hearts as a club has major cashflow problems as well a lack of backing from our main bankers ( at least for day to day purposes) What would happen if we suddenly needed cash to pay for a vital bill? what happens if something does happen to ubig or the lithuanian banking system which is clearly smaller than the UK one I have seen people on here claiming its all the Media/SFA or someone else but the concern has to be that we could not pay our bills as they fell due, we are therefore not solvent. The fact is the past week has made me fear more than ever not just the long term future but the short term future and no matter how many times Berra, Csaba and Tullberg - funny how its the same 3 each time - claim they dont care about it the whole thing strikes as uneasy to me Why where the players not paid on time and what has been done to prevent it happening again? A "technical error" doesnt do it for me and the club owe it to the fans who are pumping cash into hearts to explain what happened and where the money they are putting into the club is going since its clearly not the player salaries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlyNB Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 If it is the fans money that pays for Hearts (which it should be) then whose money pays for the shortfall between what the club brings in and what the club has to pay out? Bank of Scotland and UKIO Bankas have been subsidising Hearts loss-making for over a decade and picking up the tab with overdraft facilities and loans. Who's fault is it for paying over-inflated wages with a ludicrous ?10m a year wage budget thats clearly not sustainable? I'm guessing thats not the fault of your average punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bean counter Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 at some of the head burying and lack of concern on this site over the last week at the lies coming from the club and also the fact we didnt have any money to pay players Firstly for me someone not transferring vital funds is not a technical hitch as was claimed Secondly the concern has to be that whether it was all an innocent mistake or not the fact cannot be lost that hearts as a club has major cashflow problems as well a lack of backing from our main bankers ( at least for day to day purposes) What would happen if we suddenly needed cash to pay for a vital bill? what happens if something does happen to ubig or the lithuanian banking system which is clearly smaller than the UK one I have seen people on here claiming its all the Media/SFA or someone else but the concern has to be that we could not pay our bills as they fell due, we are therefore not solvent. The fact is the past week has made me fear more than ever not just the long term future but the short term future and no matter how many times Berra, Csaba and Tullberg - funny how its the same 3 each time - claim they dont care about it the whole thing strikes as uneasy to me Why where the players not paid on time and what has been done to prevent it happening again? A "technical error" doesnt do it for me and the club owe it to the fans who are pumping cash into hearts to explain what happened and where the money they are putting into the club is going since its clearly not the player salaries Blah Blah Blah I use Bank of Scotland for business banking. Today when I logged on a messgae to all users that said. A file of payments to Banks within National Australia Group ( Clydesdale, Yorkshire ) has been incorrectly rejected by NAG. If you see the entry coming back into your account please do not make alternative payment arrangements as the file is being resent. Errors happen all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I hope the players aren't paid this week. After Saturdays performance there are very few who actually deserve to pick up a wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Bet you have been absolutely dying to post that eh. Feel good to get it off your chest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Blah Blah Blah I use Bank of Scotland for business banking. Today when I logged on a messgae to all users that said. A file of payments to Banks within National Australia Group ( Clydesdale, Yorkshire ) has been incorrectly rejected by NAG. If you see the entry coming back into your account please do not make alternative payment arrangements as the file is being resent. Errors happen all the time Yes, but they don't usually take a week to sort out do they? Not in my experience anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 at some of the head burying and lack of concern on this site over the last week at the lies coming from the club and also the fact we didnt have any money to pay players Firstly for me someone not transferring vital funds is not a technical hitch as was claimed Secondly the concern has to be that whether it was all an innocent mistake or not the fact cannot be lost that hearts as a club has major cashflow problems as well a lack of backing from our main bankers ( at least for day to day purposes) What would happen if we suddenly needed cash to pay for a vital bill? what happens if something does happen to ubig or the lithuanian banking system which is clearly smaller than the UK one I have seen people on here claiming its all the Media/SFA or someone else but the concern has to be that we could not pay our bills as they fell due, we are therefore not solvent. The fact is the past week has made me fear more than ever not just the long term future but the short term future and no matter how many times Berra, Csaba and Tullberg - funny how its the same 3 each time - claim they dont care about it the whole thing strikes as uneasy to me Why where the players not paid on time and what has been done to prevent it happening again? A "technical error" doesnt do it for me and the club owe it to the fans who are pumping cash into hearts to explain what happened and where the money they are putting into the club is going since its clearly not the player salaries Bit of a delayed reaction there, Prancer. Here's a tip for you: the best time to capitalise on the potential for hysteria is in the time immediately surrounding or directly after an event. But your efforts are admirable nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 at some of the head burying and lack of concern on this site over the last week at the lies coming from the club and also the fact we didnt have any money to pay players Firstly for me someone not transferring vital funds is not a technical hitch as was claimed Secondly the concern has to be that whether it was all an innocent mistake or not the fact cannot be lost that hearts as a club has major cashflow problems as well a lack of backing from our main bankers ( at least for day to day purposes) What would happen if we suddenly needed cash to pay for a vital bill? what happens if something does happen to ubig or the lithuanian banking system which is clearly smaller than the UK one I have seen people on here claiming its all the Media/SFA or someone else but the concern has to be that we could not pay our bills as they fell due, we are therefore not solvent. The fact is the past week has made me fear more than ever not just the long term future but the short term future and no matter how many times Berra, Csaba and Tullberg - funny how its the same 3 each time - claim they dont care about it the whole thing strikes as uneasy to me Why where the players not paid on time and what has been done to prevent it happening again? A "technical error" doesnt do it for me and the club owe it to the fans who are pumping cash into hearts to explain what happened and where the money they are putting into the club is going since its clearly not the player salaries Prancer We could get thumped 25 nil of Hamilton Accies and some people on here would still 'take the positives' from it They need to wake up and smell the coffee that we are doomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I hope the players aren't paid this week. I want them all sacked and tried for crimes against football they are a joke and don't deserve to be playing even sunday League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Prancer We could get thumped 25 nil of Hamilton Accies and some people on here would still 'take the positives' from it They need to wake up and smell the coffee that we are doomed BINGO! We are still playing that, aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Prancer We could get thumped 25 nil of Hamilton Accies and some people on here would still 'take the positives' from it They need to wake up and smell the coffee that we are doomed If I was to do a search on the word 'coffee', I wonder how many times your posts would crop up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts_crazy Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 at some of the head burying and lack of concern on this site over the last week at the lies coming from the club and also the fact we didnt have any money to pay players Firstly for me someone not transferring vital funds is not a technical hitch as was claimed Secondly the concern has to be that whether it was all an innocent mistake or not the fact cannot be lost that hearts as a club has major cashflow problems as well a lack of backing from our main bankers ( at least for day to day purposes) What would happen if we suddenly needed cash to pay for a vital bill? what happens if something does happen to ubig or the lithuanian banking system which is clearly smaller than the UK one I have seen people on here claiming its all the Media/SFA or someone else but the concern has to be that we could not pay our bills as they fell due, we are therefore not solvent. The fact is the past week has made me fear more than ever not just the long term future but the short term future and no matter how many times Berra, Csaba and Tullberg - funny how its the same 3 each time - claim they dont care about it the whole thing strikes as uneasy to me Why where the players not paid on time and what has been done to prevent it happening again? A "technical error" doesnt do it for me and the club owe it to the fans who are pumping cash into hearts to explain what happened and where the money they are putting into the club is going since its clearly not the player salaries Have you not had access to a computer for a week? Bet you couldn't wait to post this as soon as you heard the news. Sorry, been done to death, the issue was resolved last week, it's getting really boring now. If you are Hell bent on making it something it's not so that you can spread fear and alarm amongst the Hearts support why don't you just become an Evening Hobo journalist? Here's one you could start later in the week if you're interested, we got pumped yet again by Dundee Utd on Saturday, you can start one about that maybe on Friday or something after it has been flogged to death on here and hey presto, you will have opened up that whole can of worms again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdewar42 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 If people stopped replying to Prancer, surely he would go away! He is purely after a reaction and possibly thrives on being centre of attraction! But i8hibsh must be great company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Crane Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Prancer We could get thumped 25 nil of Hamilton Accies and some people on here would still 'take the positives' from it They need to wake up and smell the coffee that we are doomed 25-0 now? Yesterday it was 10. What odds the Accies are going to rack up the half-century tomorrow? What brand of coffee are you smelling anyway? If it's Nescafe then we shouldn't be too surprise as your pessimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 If people stopped replying to Prancer, surely he would go away! He is purely after a reaction and possibly thrives on being centre of attraction! Yes how dare I be concerned about our club Afterall its completely normal for large companies hearts size not to pay their wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts_crazy Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Yes how dare I be concerned about our club Afterall its completely normal for large companies hearts size not to pay their wages Why didn't you post your concerns on the huge thread devoted to this very subject then instead of posting a whole new drama queen thread about it all of your own. I'm not surprised so many of us think you are just an attention seeker who's sole purpose in life is to wind up fellow Jambos on Kickback. Oh, and re your second paragraph here, yes, it happens. Now can we lay this one to rest please, Hearts have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 One person and one person alone could put us all at ease or at least have the b*** to come out and explain the feck up, yip its Vlad but he has not for the 1st time stays silent and says feck all, WHY, is this not a sign by him of what he really thinks of us and our great club, again WHY IS HE BEING SILENT, does that not indicate GUILT or just plane arrogance. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scottish Cup Semi 2006 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 at some of the head burying and lack of concern on this site over the last week at the lies coming from the club and also the fact we didnt have any money to pay players Firstly for me someone not transferring vital funds is not a technical hitch as was claimed Secondly the concern has to be that whether it was all an innocent mistake or not the fact cannot be lost that hearts as a club has major cashflow problems as well a lack of backing from our main bankers ( at least for day to day purposes) What would happen if we suddenly needed cash to pay for a vital bill? what happens if something does happen to ubig or the lithuanian banking system which is clearly smaller than the UK one I have seen people on here claiming its all the Media/SFA or someone else but the concern has to be that we could not pay our bills as they fell due, we are therefore not solvent. The fact is the past week has made me fear more than ever not just the long term future but the short term future and no matter how many times Berra, Csaba and Tullberg - funny how its the same 3 each time - claim they dont care about it the whole thing strikes as uneasy to me Why where the players not paid on time and what has been done to prevent it happening again? A "technical error" doesnt do it for me and the club owe it to the fans who are pumping cash into hearts to explain what happened and where the money they are putting into the club is going since its clearly not the player salaries Your right mate - i have been worried for weeks about the imminent financial future of our club. The majority on here & my mates don't seem to be worried & attribute it to Hoboeconomics but i fear we are going to be severly restricted for many seasons to come unless a Rich investor saves us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Yes how dare I be concerned about our club Afterall its completely normal for large companies hearts size not to pay their wages Yes it is. And Hearts are not a large company. I worked for a company with about 1000 times Hearts turnover and ******-ups in managimng payroll were quite common - one close colleague was not paid for three months. Two of the last three payments I was owed were late, one by a month. As I said in another post, if someone can let me into this world that operates without technical glitches and ****** ups please do. It must be great there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Yes it is. And Hearts are not a large company. I worked for a company with about 1000 times Hearts turnover and ******-ups in managimng payroll were quite common - one close colleague was not paid for three months. Two of the last three payments I was owed were late, one by a month. As I said in another post, if someone can let me into this world that operates without technical glitches and ****** ups please do. It must be great there. and when was the last time they failed to pay every single employee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 If it is the fans money that pays for Hearts (which it should be) then whose money pays for the shortfall between what the club brings in and what the club has to pay out? Bank of Scotland and UKIO Bankas have been subsidising Hearts loss-making for over a decade and picking up the tab with overdraft facilities and loans. So the Bank of Scotland and UKIO Bankas have been providing Hearts with interest free loans and overdrafts have they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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