interista Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Levein. No doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbojambo Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 levein for me as well, weir was a good player for hearts, but craig was a class act and for all round ability the finest defender i have seen in 40 odd years of watching the hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigandy Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Top 10 best Hearts defenders in the last 25 yrs:- Craig Levein Dave McPherson David Weir Sandy Jardine Steven Pressley Paul Ritchie Alan McLaren Pasquale Bruno Roddy McDonald Willie Jamieson Worst 5........................................................Gordan Petric Jim Weir David Winnie Nerjus Barasa Peter VanDeVen Kevin James was a lot worse than Van de Ven. I would have a few others ahead of Willie Jamieson too - Berra, Berry, Mcmanus probably Brian Whittaker too when he switched to centre half later in his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein Jambo. Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Levein, probably one of two truly world class players to have played for the JT's in modern times. The other was Alan McLaren. Both careers cut short by injury. Sorry mate but your missing robbo, C gordon and anti neimi who are and where world class players. P.S CL was the best Hearts defender Hearts have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo in iraq Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 We've been spoilt over the past 25 years with CBs. Levein, Jardine, McPherson, Weir, McLaren, Pressley, Webster, Winnie. Winnie, now he was better than any of them;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo in iraq Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Top 10 best Hearts defenders in the last 25 yrs:- Craig Levein Dave McPherson David Weir Sandy Jardine Steven Pressley Paul Ritchie Alan McLaren Pasquale Bruno Roddy McDonald Willie Jamieson Worst 5........................................................Gordan Petric Jim Weir David Winnie Nerjus Barasa Peter VanDeVen away.... there is no way Roddy McDonald or Jamieson were in the top 10 even in the years they were playing. Naysmith, Maybury, Berra, Zaluikas, Tall, Karapidis, Fysass were all far superior to these two. As for the worst list. Agree with Petric, Winnie, Barasa, but not Weir and Van de Ven, replace them with Kevin James and Mohammed Berte and you'd be about there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H J Simpson Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I'd say Weir, simply because the guy rarely broke sweat and still managed to win MOM more often than not. I'm sure in his last season with us he won a crazy amount of MoM awards and must hold some sort of record for successive MoM awards. If I was a ned, I'd quite simply state "he was pure class, gadgey" Definately Levein. Always felt Weir was way to short to be a defender and in all honesty, other than grabbing the 2 injury time goals in the New Year derby against Hibs I'd struggle to think of what else Weir conributed to Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo in iraq Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Sorry mate but your missing robbo, C gordon and anti neimi who are and where world class players. P.S CL was the best Hearts defender Hearts have ever had. I love Robbo, but he was never world class. There is an arguement that Gordon and Niemi were approaching it, but not Robbo. In his generation who would he have dislodged out a world 11? Van Basten? Klinsman? Romario? Bebeto? Lineker? Shearer? No I did'nt think so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 ermmmm....Gary Naysmith......???????? Top half of the top 10 I think? Yes, i thought about using full-backs but decided on just central defenders. Jamieson was chosen because in his one season, he didn't put a foot wrong and scored that injury time 30 yarder against Celtic. As for Berry and a couple of the others mentioned, he was actually a defensive midfielder who ended up playing in defence occasionally. Can't believe I forgot about Webster mind! Kevin James......yes, he would probably have been in there as one of the worst, McManus done a turn, a bit like Berra now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I often think the comparisons with Levein and Hansen are drawn because they were both similar in that they were graceful athletes who were capable of covering distances deceptively quickly, unless Willie Miller was in the way. It seems odd that two such fine footballers should only hold 42 international caps between them (16 and 26 respectively) yet David Weir has 62. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Unfair comparison in my opinion. Its like asking who has the better Derby record there is no debate Its "Shoes" for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csaba the hut! Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 levein by far!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 levein by a country mile! davie mcpherson was also way ahead of davie weir in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupar Jambo Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 No contest Levein by a mile, that shows how good he was as Weir was a great player for us. If not for injuries Levein would have played for a top English or European club. Often wonder where the bag of excrement is now that shouted " hope we never see you again" when Levein was taken off against Dunfermline. Hopefully not enjoying himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Levein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Scottyg Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I'd agree with all those who have said 'Levein', he was a great defender with bags of pace! Weir did a great job for Hearts, but don't think he was anywhere near the class of Levein. As a lot have stated he would have gone on to bigger and better things if injury hadn't ruined his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Who was the best palyer out of Levein and Weir? Both great players but the best centre half Hearts have had in the past 20 years was Alan McLaren. Centre half has been a position Hearts have generally been blessed for in the past 25 years. Levein McPherson Ritchie Weir McPherson McLaren Berra All gaining full international caps for Scotland whilst at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirsad_beslija Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 David weir one of the best players ever to play for hearts in modern day football . levein constantly injured or getting massive bans for fighting with his own teamates ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I remember Levien scoring against the sheep 1 0 and thinking the hole teem was different from then on and the more I watched him the more I realized that I was watching some one very special. One of the most agonising moments of my life was standing 10 feet away from him as he rolled in agony by the touchline, the look on his face was anger. It was against rangers, He had just come back from injury and his ligament had snapped. I truly believe that he was marvellous. To have that much skill that you left shaking your head in delight was an experience that I had never had before. I've watched Hearts since 66 and the only thing that came close was watching the change in the Hearts performance when Allen Mclaren came on as a substitute and I saw him for the first time.There is no one that comes close to Craig Levien. I am also aware of the special talent that Willy Hamilton had Which I was told (can't quite remember) was quite spectacular. PS if he is head and shoulders above everybody else that is not a slight on anyone. I concur Pure out and out class some used to say that his brother Paul was an even better player but lacked the dedication and prefered the drink etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 David weir one of the best players ever to play for hearts in modern day football . levein constantly injured or getting massive bans for fighting with his own teamates ! I think most of us are used to you posting pure unadulterated pish on a regular basis but that guff above really takes the biscuit. Away and behave yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommythejambo Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Levein. Shouldn't really go any further than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Who was the best palyer out of Levein and Weir? Both great players but the best centre half Hearts have had in the past 20 years was Alan McLaren. Centre half has been a position Hearts have generally been blessed for in the past 25 years. Levein McPherson Ritchie Weir McPherson McLaren Berra All gaining full international caps for Scotland whilst at the club. Couple of glaring ommissions there. Any reasons in particular... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Levein is the best i have seen in my thirty years following the hearts,weir was good but wouldnt make my top five. I will be a happy man if i ever see a better player(defender) than craig levein in a hearts jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamorgan Jambo Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Craig Levein was by any measure a much better player. pace, control, physical presence, skill on the ball. In his early games for HMFC he was played on the right side of midfield and I remember him having a rangers left back (Munro) on toast one afternoon at Tynie as he repeatedly went past him with the ball. The Levein/Jardine central defence combo is my favourite. While I agree Jardine helped Craig I also think Craig helped Sandy a lot during 85/86 by covering a lot of the space Sandy was no longer able to cover himself. It's a shame for him when you see what Weir has achieved in his career with less ability but better luck with injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Ross Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Steak or a Lothian Road kebab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Couple of glaring ommissions there. Any reasons in particular... Jeezo, I've been spending too much time on this forum. The glaring ommissions were of course Pressley and Webster, who were also both top class for Hearts during their time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Jeezo, I've been spending too much time on this forum. The glaring ommissions were of course Pressley and Webster, who were also both top class for Hearts during their time here. Always watching.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Levein. Best defender I've seen at Hearts. Weir was good and worked hard to make the best of what he had, but Levein had outstanding ability and was simply pure class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop1874 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Levein in my dads opinion was good enough to name a son after. Dont think he was expecting his career to be ruined by injuries at the time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyH Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 It is an insult to Levein to mention Weir in the same sentence - Weir was good, Levein was Majestic - damn, just mentioned them in the same sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 When my Dad talks, i listen. When a man who is 74 and witnessed many Hearts teams and great players from the past he might just know a bit about what he`s talking about. His opinion was that Levein would have easily played in Hearts great teams of the past. My opinion is Levein was better than Weir. Levein had class on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Thomson Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I liked Weir, but it has to be Levein, pure class, and what a punch he could throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Levein, he had everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japanjambo Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Levein...pure class from head to toe. He could have gone right to the top if it hadn't been for injuries. Lynn:ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Davie Weir was a smashing player for Hearts but he is not in the same league as Craig Levein was. Levein i beleive would have been one of Europe"s best but for bad injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Some of the Hun lovers on here should know that all 3 Hun forwards were booked for kicking Levein in the first half of his comback game,before he was done and carried off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwalter Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Craig "Diamond" Levein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 I'd say Weir, simply because the guy rarely broke sweat and still managed to win MOM more often than not. I'm sure in his last season with us he won a crazy amount of MoM awards and must hold some sort of record for successive MoM awards. If I was a ned, I'd quite simply state "he was pure class, gadgey" I presume this is not about Jim Weir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Anyone who says Weir obviously did not see Levein play. It's not even close! We would just as well say who's better Robbo or Baird! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertonian_II Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Levein by the continental kilometre Disco Dave was always a favourite of mine as well. Did they not play together in a world cup match against Sweden? As for Alan McLaren, I remember his debut at Tannadice where he snuffed out the opposition's centre forward who is now the manager for a wee team in the East side of Edinburgh..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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