Relegation candidates

[GlasgoJambo]

27 minutes ago, Locky said:

Because by that point we could be 3-4 points at least adrift of safety. Not to mention the games come thick and fast in December and if we can't pick up results then it can seriously manifest into itself. Then comes January where aye, there will be comings and goings but that may require further time to bed in and all of a sudden we're still down there in February.

 

Not to mention, we've rolled our dice with a new manager. Hibs, our current relegation rivals haven't. They have that ace card up their sleeve. If Critchley doesn't work out then what's the next step? Sack another manager. Not in a relegation battle we won't.

 

The season is a write off. Where should this club, and team finish? 3rd? We're 13 points behind 3rd placed Rangers and a whopping 22 behind Aberdeen. The season is already a failure. You can romanticise all you want about winning the Scottish Cup or going another round in Europe, but we are bottom of the league and that's not changing drastically any time soon.

 

Take your head out your arse and grasp it.

“ace card” 🤣

 

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I have seen enough under Critchley to think we'll be okay, but we absolutely need to back him in January. None of those are his players, Naismith has really left us in a sorry state. 

[1971fozzy]

20 minutes ago, Arthur Morgan said:

I have seen enough under Critchley to think we'll be okay, but we absolutely need to back him in January. None of those are his players, Naismith has really left us in a sorry state. 

100% 👍👍

he’s had zero time on the training ground and I certainly don’t blame him for this. He wasn’t to blame for Gordon / Kent and Rowles tonight.

Hes also got to get used to opposition and Killie are so one dimensional it’s unreal.

nobody saw Naismith making the arse if it that he did. Not getting another striker in was sackable in itself. And to hear him defend that decision at the shareholders meal was embarrassing

Edited October 31, 2024 by 1971fozzy

[Penrices left boot]

We arent clinical and concede soft goals. 

We also have several players out of contract and no matter how professional will know they won't be here next season. 

Not a good mix.

 

We aren't playing badly tho, and football can change quickly.

 

Going 1-0 up, being in complete control at home to getting beat is a worry.

 

 

 

Edited October 31, 2024 by Bazzas right boot

[boag1874]

It is a possibility. 
 

We concede far too many soft goals, the fitness levels are poor. Players need rested but we’ve got difficult games coming thick & fast. Confidence looks shot, the heads drop as soon as the opposition score. Gordon isn’t making the great saves that bail us out when we desperately need someone to & we need to score 2 goals to have any chance of winning a game which also hasn’t been happening enough.

We badly need a wee run of consecutive wins but it’s hard to see where that’ll come from.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

6 hours ago, Carter said:

Budge could oversee another relegation and she'd still be seen as 'Queen Ann' in the eyes of some. 

Do you think if Budge stepped down from the board tomorrow that that would solve the problem? That's just nonsense.

[boag1874]

6 hours ago, weegie jambo said:

this is how I see it. Too early to be throwing the toys out of the pram. Critchley has inherited a demotivated squad, lacking in confidence and previously without any guidance and with a completely imbalanced squad. We are so much better than so many teams in this league, we just need our mojo back, have faith jambos. Give Critchley time and a window to right some of the wrongs

 

The situation isn’t on Critchley at all, he’s just in the door & there’s been improvement since he arrived. He’s inherited a very problematic situation though with an unfit, error prone squad & no time to work with them on the training pitch because the schedule is so tight. The 5 games after Saturday are going to be incredibly tough.

[PortyBeach]

8 hours ago, Gundermann said:

Even if we avoid relegation, we can kiss goodbye to Europe next season.

 

BBC just now observing that Sevco don't have any real Huns in their team. Would be nice if we had a few players who were Jambos and had the passion for the club. I realise modern football doesn't really do local but for most teams, signing a medley of international journeymen and hoping they'll click and produce the goods doesn't bear fruit.

I’d agree. Being able to field players who are also fans counts for a lot in games where you need to dig yourself out of a hole. 
Journeymen are just that. As you say though, the modern game doesn’t lend itself to the ideal we’re looking for.

It’s up to Critchley to sort things out. We need to get behind him and hope he does just that.

[skacel103]

43 minutes ago, boag1874 said:

It is a possibility. 
 

We concede far too many soft goals, the fitness levels are poor. Players need rested but we’ve got difficult games coming thick & fast. Confidence looks shot, the heads drop as soon as the opposition score. Gordon isn’t making the great saves that bail us out when we desperately need someone to & we need to score 2 goals to have any chance of winning a game which also hasn’t been happening enough.

We badly need a wee run of consecutive wins but it’s hard to see where that’ll come from.

Playing celtic, rangers and aberdeen I'm a row. With the German team in between is brutal when we really need wins. I do fear we lose alot confidence after those games. 

 

Us fans maybe just need to lower our expectations. (I expect us to lose all 4 above games) when we get to 7th Dec v dundee we need to back the team. None of this booing after 30 mins because we are drawing. 

 

[Bozi]

Once again we find ourselves in a situation where we are desperately poor, no identity to the team and bottom of the league.

 

Once again we have brought in a big squad of players who, on paper, should be very good in the league but are underperforming massively.

 

Once again we have no battlers, no fighters, nobody who can take the game by the scruff of the neck and drag us forwards.

 

Once again we need a massive overhaul to get rid of players who have not performed again and again. Guys like Grant, Devlin, Rowles, McKay

 

 More worryingly, the players we have relied on have seen their form completely drop off a cliff. Yes I do include Gordon in that, Shankland, Kent, Kingsley.

 

After At Johnstone we have a terrifying run of fixtures Rangers, Celtic,Aberdeen, Dundee and Killie away, all sandwiched between European games...we could be cut adrift by Christmas

[Lord Montpelier]

From what I can see. We'll be ok going into games with a fit and fresh Beni, Boateng, Spittal. And not ok when their not. 

[Tour22]

9 hours ago, ShedBoy said:

We will be fine ffs. 

 

How can you be sure? I can't see us winning any upcoming games in the league.

[RustyRightPeg]

Between now and Xmas I’m expecting 12 points max. If we lose our home games (excl Celtic) we can’t expect to not be in the dog fight at the bottom. 

[periodictabledancer]

1 minute ago, Tour22 said:

 

How can you be sure? I can't see us winning any upcoming games in the league.

'Fine' has now become not getting relegated. 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

8 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

From what I can see. We'll be ok going into games with a fit and fresh Beni, Boateng, Spittal. And not ok when their not. 

Beni, that’s a blast from the past.

 

[pettigrewsstylist]

We can't rely on this squad. If this continues January may be expensive. This ain't the first time for many of them so the  "how good they can be on their day " chat no longer interests me.

Will the board feel the same way 🤷‍♂️

Ridiculous and incompetent to find ourselves here.

 

[Gundermann]

50 minutes ago, PortyBeach said:

I’d agree. Being able to field players who are also fans counts for a lot in games where you need to dig yourself out of a hole. 
Journeymen are just that. As you say though, the modern game doesn’t lend itself to the ideal we’re looking for.

It’s up to Critchley to sort things out. We need to get behind him and hope he does just that.

 

Perhaps a bit of both? A backbone of local players who get the club and the journeymen. Won't happen overnight but as well as dealing with our unfit and error-prone first team, we need to seriously address the Academy and expect it to produce more than it has until now.

[footballingarts]

When is Starlizard going to start signing us up players who will rise to meteoric heights - have we actually signed up with Bloom yet? Even if it kicks in with January window it'll be several weeks to see the improvement - in the meantime, HMFC players need Critch or other to change their mentality as well getting more stuck in on the pitch

[jock _turd]

Sad to see how we have fallen from finishing a good third to where we are right now. I think we can see now this is not about the way the team is managed it is about the lack of application on the part of the players. It is a mess and I hope that some how NC can sort things out but it does not look good . The team lacks the spirit of playing for each other and IMO without that teams in our position are doomed to failure. 

I think we need a good January window to shift some of the dead wood and try to get something going but it will not be easy,taking a lead at home and then squandering it is poor.

[Gundermann]

Just looked at league table. Dons are 9 points ahead of Der Hun.  😄

 

Doing the business that we couldn't do last year despite losing "their Shankland" who probably kept them in the league last season.

 

I really hope Critchley isn't a Mr Nice Guy behind doors. I hope some are told to shape up or face an exit in January. Maybe the likes of Mackay, Grant or Devlin can ply their trade in the likes of Greenock or Arbroath?

[Lord Montpelier]

23 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Beni, that’s a blast from the past.

 

Yep can rarely get him on the pitch for consecutive games. 

[Rudy T]

It’s utterly ridiculous we’re even having to contemplate this possibility again! 
 

I said during each and every window I thought our recruitment was miles off, was generally shot down for it and now it’s all coming home to roost. 
 

One thing Naismith got was the type of player required to compete in the league while the fantasists upstairs messed about with players from the far flung corners of the world and journeymen from England. However I don’t care what Savage and Co say someone needed to have a word with Naismith and ask what his plan was for the forward line when we failed to bring in any strikers during the summer.

 

We’ve absolutely squandered bucket loads of cash on utter dross. Look at Killies wide men last night, imagine those two in our team, how much did they cost Killie? We’ve got Vargas,Oda, Forrest and McKay, let that sink in. 

[kingantti1874]

6 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

Just looked at league table. Dons are 9 points ahead of Der Hun.  😄

 

Doing the business that we couldn't do last year despite losing "their Shankland" who probably kept them in the league last season.

 

I really hope Critchley isn't a Mr Nice Guy behind doors. I hope some are told to shape up or face an exit in January. Maybe the likes of Mackay, Grant or Devlin can ply their trade in the likes of Greenock or Arbroath?

honestly, watching Aberdeen be everything that we should be doesn’t cheer me at all.  Find it totally sickening. Young hungry team laying it all out there, they don’t have huge quality, but they have huge application

Edited October 31, 2024 by kingantti1874

[A_A wehatethehibs]

2 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

Just looked at league table. Dons are 9 points ahead of Der Hun.  😄

 

Doing the business that we couldn't do last year despite losing "their Shankland" who probably kept them in the league last season.

 

I really hope Critchley isn't a Mr Nice Guy behind doors. I hope some are told to shape up or face an exit in January. Maybe the likes of Mackay, Grant or Devlin can ply their trade in the likes of Greenock or Arbroath?

The issue he has got to deal with is, half these players already know they’re going to be getting emptied. Guys like McKay have been mentally gone for years. So how do you get results out of them from now till Jan. it’s a very tough situation 

[Lord Montpelier]

3 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

Just looked at league table. Dons are 9 points ahead of Der Hun.  😄

 

Doing the business that we couldn't do last year despite losing "their Shankland" who probably kept them in the league last season.

 

I really hope Critchley isn't a Mr Nice Guy behind doors. I hope some are told to shape up or face an exit in January. Maybe the likes of Mackay, Grant or Devlin can ply their trade in the likes of Greenock or Arbroath?

I'd be talking to West Coast mariners or some team in Aus to ship Devlin back in January. This team stays up if the midfield is consistently Hoff, Beni, Boateng, Spittal. Anything other than that and we'll be down.

[feej]

7 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said:

We arent clinical and concede soft goals. 

We also have several players out of contract and no matter how professional will know they won't be here next season. 

Not a good mix.

 

We aren't playing badly tho, and football can change quickly.

 

Going 1-0 up, being in complete control at home to getting beat is a worry.

 

 

 

And clueless as to how to come back from going behind last night.

[kingantti1874]

I remember it vividly as was in hospitality, we beat St Mirren 5-2 under Austin McPhee in the first week of November to go onto 11 points.  At least that season we had horrendous injuries to point toward and Joel.
 

we 100% are in danger and frankly everyone associated should be utterly embarrassed and frankly ****ing ashamed of themselves. 
 

 

Edited October 31, 2024 by kingantti1874

[Gundermann]

2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

honestly, watching Aberdeen be everything that we should be doesn’t cheer me at all.  Find it totally sickening. Young hungry team laying it almost there, they don’t have huge quality, but they have huge application

 

That's it in a nutshell. Work hard, apply yourself and reap the benefits. Some of our lot look like born losers.

[kingantti1874]

1 minute ago, Gundermann said:

 

That's it in a nutshell. Work hard, apply yourself and reap the benefits. Some of our lot look like born losers.

100%. they ran their ****ing arses off last night, we right in rangers faces, physical. Bullied them all over the place were direct when the needed to

be, took no ****ing chances at the back. 

[Eddiepolio3]

Anyone got an idea of the average points total we need to finish 10th?

[Locky]

8 hours ago, Luckies1874 said:

 

😂 Breathe. Breathe. Breathe. 

 

At no point have I said I am "happy to be bottom o the league". But equally I think it ****ing absurd to be saying things like "the season is a write off" and making comments worrying about Hibs (ffs) having an "ace card up their sleeve". Nor would I be worried if we are 3-4 pts behind going into December after 2 further games against the Old Firm. We will still have many games against bottom 6 sides. If we were 10 pts adrift going into the window then it would certainly be nervous times but that won't happen and I expect us to spend more money than any January window in our history regardless of our position come that time. It is very important that the fans stick with the new Head Coach, if not the players right now - some of them for sure deserve all the stick they are getting, as he is just own the door and having to take on Naeclue's shambles. I've seen and heard enough of him to believe he deserves that support and time and some better players. Again it's my belief we will be a lot closer to 4th come May than 12th. And there is certainly a lot to play for over the next 6 months. 

Okay and if that's how you feel then good for you being so relaxed about it. But we've played 1/3 of the pre-split fixtures and picked up 6 points, beating just 1 team. That is a very worrying statistic and genuinely I can see it being 1 win in 15 by the time we've played Aberdeen.

 

Also what worries me is that the rest of the league are picking up points regularly too. St Johnstone were favourites to go down this season yet lose to them on Saturday and we're 7 points behind them.

 

We were all in unison that we were in dire straits before the St Mirren game. Granted we put in a cracking performance and won emphatically, but we've failed to win in the 2 league games since, so we're back to 1 win in 11. There is no positives to be taken from that statistic.

[Mac80]

I’m seriously concerned 

[If carlsberg did rivals...]

18 minutes ago, Eddiepolio3 said:

Anyone got an idea of the average points total we need to finish 10th?

Over the last 4 seasons the 10th placed team have had, 39, 40, 40 and 35 points, so an average of 38.75. So we just need another 32.75 points and it's all good! 

[Locky]

8 hours ago, Aaron78 said:

You're wasting your time debating with him. Apparently we've still got lots of games against 'gash teams' so we'll be closer to 4th than 12th. The same gash teams we couldn't beat in the first phase of games.

 

And don't forget the better players we're going to bring in in January that will save us, because clearly our recruitment is completely on point. 

 

The reality is that we're in a tough spot, not helped by balancing league duties with Europe and we could be in a considerably poorer position in the next few weeks. 

 

We need a run of decent results to pull us away from a relegation battle and the evidence so far this season is that we're not capable of doing that...

He obviously doesn't realise that the gash teams aren't actually that gash and that they've all won a game or 2 more than us.

 

You're spot on about a good run of games as the odd win here and there isn't going to get us far at all. But I'm wondering how on earth this team actually gets a run of results going because the minute the pressures on or their ruffled, they look bereft of confidence and ideas still.

[Locky]

8 hours ago, GlasgoJambo said:

“ace card” 🤣

 

 

What if Gray gets sacked and they bring in a reasonably competent manager? I don't think they should be where they are either. Sure, they're crappie, seriously crap, but there's enough quality in their squad to notch a couple of wins on the board. See Dundee for the same.

[Chuck Berry]

Critchley won his first league game at QPR, he never won another and was sacked two months later.

[GBJambo]

56 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

'Fine' has now become not getting relegated. 

 

Yep not getting relegated will be an achievement to some

 

Its an absolute disgrace we are even in the this position and this apathy of “ oh we will be fine” will see us sleep walk into relegation. I can see the board believing this too 

Edited October 31, 2024 by GBJambo

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said:

Critchley won his first league game at QPR, he never won another and was sacked two months later.

😭😭😭😭

[HopeDiouf]

It would appear we are.  Don't score many goals, and give away soft goals at the back.  Not good attributes for a football team to have.

[buzzbomb1958]

2 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Do you think if Budge stepped down from the board tomorrow that that would solve the problem? That's just nonsense.

We need football brains on the board ok Budge has done a great job but I feel for the good of the club she should step down and find someone who has extended knowledge of football matters to work alongside the new DoF and get the emphasis back on the pitch 

[Fraggle]

I don't have the same fear as last time, but as others have mentioned, there is the potential of a perfect storm of individual issues (players out of contract, dressing room problems, etc.) that could dissolve back into fear. The fact we are back in this position, under this current board, is utterly appalling. 

[Hashimoto]

33 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

honestly, watching Aberdeen be everything that we should be doesn’t cheer me at all.  Find it totally sickening. Young hungry team laying it all out there, they don’t have huge quality, but they have huge application

Well for a start they got themselves a decent manager. They also brought him on board at the right time, I also don't believe a computer or algorithm was involved!

Mckinley is getting all starry eyed (excuse pun!) over this new way of going about things. Time will tell 

Meanwhile, and I'm not suggesting it. If by the January window and Critchley can't get a tune out of this lot. There will be a job vacancy with 100's of high class applicants. History tells us it'll be around May before we make an appointment, only for it to be Foxy the Fox.

Never forget that there is only one constant is this debacle and that is the board......From Levein till present.....It's this shambles of a board who have created this almighty mess.

[Captain Lithuania]

10 hours ago, Jambo_Gaz said:

Too many dont really realise the trouble we're in. 
 

we should be protesting soon....

And what's the end goal? Do we want a new manager? There's not much else we can do. The manager unfortunately has no choice but to rely on this shite. 

[Captain Lithuania]

8 hours ago, Arthur Morgan said:

I have seen enough under Critchley to think we'll be okay, but we absolutely need to back him in January. None of those are his players, Naismith has really left us in a sorry state. 

Correct. The Naismith effect will be felt for a good while yet. He really has left us in a mess.

[Sarah O]

47 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

honestly, watching Aberdeen be everything that we should be doesn’t cheer me at all.  Find it totally sickening. Young hungry team laying it all out there, they don’t have huge quality, but they have huge application

Yes. 

 

I'm very envious of them right now. 

 

Depressing 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

When you continue to gift goals, lose games you should be winning, it makes things impossible.

 

Still no accountability, glad to hear NC comments, its stone bonking obvious, the amount of defensive capitulations can not continue, the defence needs to be addressed immediately, there needs to be a will to keep clean sheets

[AC Mallin_51]

Can’t remember feeling this deflated after a game that wasn’t a derby or big cup game defeat

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

3 minutes ago, Sarah O said:

Yes. 

 

I'm very envious of them right now. 

 

Depressing 

The team itself, probably not so much, the manager has gold dust. Its early days, could be their Ferguson, making very ordinary players believe they are Pele

[Bindy Badgy]

At half-time I was looking at the table thinking that 4th was still on the cards. I'll settle for 10th right now.

 

We are in deep shit.

[HopeDiouf]

6 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said:

When you continue to gift goals, lose games you should be winning, it makes things impossible.

 

Still no accountability, glad to hear NC comments, its stone bonking obvious, the amount of defensive capitulations can not continue, the defence needs to be addressed immediately, there needs to be a will to keep clean sheets

Yep.  Was glad to see Critchley said it.