H2 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, 4marsbars said: If he's fit, he should play every game. He's the quality of player we rarely see and I've been going to games for over half a century. I'm still hoping he stays. Correct - He is quality, problem is he does not show it too often. But then if he did, he would be playing in England! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 10 hours ago, Aussie Jambo said: He’s not been the same since his horrific injury. That’s understandable. But I still rate Beni. He can be a little lazy at times and shits it in any tackles now. But play him till end of season. He will be away back down to England no doubt anyway. A little lazy? I take it (Aussie) you're basing that judgement on what you see on a TV screen. He's constantly looking for the ball, always making himself available, rarely wastes it and doesn't get flustered. The opposite of lazy. Maybe the word you're looking for is relaxed, or comfortable. That's what I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeDiouf Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, 4marsbars said: A little lazy? I take it (Aussie) you're basing that judgement on what you see on a TV screen. He's constantly looking for the ball, always making himself available, rarely wastes it and doesn't get flustered. The opposite of lazy. Maybe the word you're looking for is relaxed, or comfortable. That's what I see. For me, it's cause of the moments where he just gives up that he gets that rep. See 2nd goal last week for an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 12 hours ago, NottsJambo said: Thought he was superb until he went off. We are going to miss him a lot next season. But we won’t if we sign a better player than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 11 minutes ago, mitch41 said: But we won’t if we sign a better player than him. Could say that about any player tbf, easier said than done when talking about guys with real quality though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacerjoe Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Our season started to turn around when Beni rejoined the squad and got back to fitness (clearly early on he wasn't). We've really missed the Dev / Beni partnership. Especially now with Devlin 2.0. It'll be interesting to see if we can really develop Tait into a Gilmour style holding mid, with Devlin and Hoff ahead of him, pressing high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) 16 minutes ago, HopeDiouf said: For me, it's cause of the moments where he just gives up that he gets that rep. See 2nd goal last week for an example. “The stat: Beni Baningime's 6.05 counterpressures per 90 What it means We have previously delved into Baningime's figures at length [LINK] to examine why the No.6 is one of the best passers of the ball in the league, but the former Everton man has more than one string to his bow. Not content with being one of the Premiership's most effective ball distributors, the 25-year-old also happens to be brilliant at stopping teams from counter-attacking too. No other Premiership player completes more counterpressures (pressing the opposition within five seconds of their team losing possession) than Baningime, which neatly demonstrates just how keen he has been to break up counters. And when Baningime gets called into action, Hearts often win the ball back even when he doesn't win it himself. Baningime is the top-ranked player in the league for counterpress regains (when the team regains possession after a player's counterpressure) and this has helped Hearts form one of the Premiership's most robust defences. “ the above is from the standard. Apologies if I shouldn’t have posted it but beni is not lazy at all. A total myth Edited April 28 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie_Rules Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 He’s undoubtedly one of our best players but if hes not signing a contract there is no point playing him the last 4 games. Give Tait the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 6 minutes ago, mitch41 said: But we won’t if we sign a better player than him. That will be hard to do. I can't remember in my time (and that's a long time) seeing a better ball-winning / ball-retaining defensive midfielder than Beni. I'm not sure where the new signings like Dhanda or the returning Hof will fit into a midfield without Beni, but if we can't replace or keep him we will have to change our style. On a slightly different note about him; he's not yet up to full fitness IMO, he had a long time out and usually fades late in games. Maybe yesterday's fitness issue was related to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 4 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: That will be hard to do. I can't remember in my time (and that's a long time) seeing a better ball-winning / ball-retaining defensive midfielder than Beni. I'm not sure where the new signings like Dhanda or the returning Hof will fit into a midfield without Beni, but if we can't replace or keep him we will have to change our style. On a slightly different note about him; he's not yet up to full fitness IMO, he had a long time out and usually fades late in games. Maybe yesterday's fitness issue was related to that. we will certainly try and replace him directly with at least 1 CDM. Allan Campbell is my bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeDiouf Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 5 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: “The stat: Beni Baningime's 6.05 counterpressures per 90 What it means We have previously delved into Baningime's figures at length [LINK] to examine why the No.6 is one of the best passers of the ball in the league, but the former Everton man has more than one string to his bow. Not content with being one of the Premiership's most effective ball distributors, the 25-year-old also happens to be brilliant at stopping teams from counter-attacking too. No other Premiership player completes more counterpressures (pressing the opposition within five seconds of their team losing possession) than Baningime, which neatly demonstrates just how keen he has been to break up counters. And when Baningime gets called into action, Hearts often win the ball back even when he doesn't win it himself. Baningime is the top-ranked player in the league for counterpress regains (when the team regains possession after a player's counterpressure) and this has helped Hearts form one of the Premiership's most robust defences. “ the above is from the standard. Apologies if I shouldn’t have posted it but beni is not lazy at all. A total myth Don't disagree with any of that. He does all that, but still has moments he gives up. And thats why he gets that lazy rep. 2nd goal last week an example. Stood and watched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 15 hours ago, Helter Skelter said: Shitebag. Attitude’s stinking. He can gtf asap. 🤣🤣🤣 What ****ing nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, H2 said: You cannot be serious. Explain - Edited April 28 by Ricardo Quaresma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 14 hours ago, sandylejambo said: He was great today, if Tait is his replacement, I hope Beni gets well soon Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 hours ago, upgotheheads said: That will be hard to do. I can't remember in my time (and that's a long time) seeing a better ball-winning / ball-retaining defensive midfielder than Beni. I'm not sure where the new signings like Dhanda or the returning Hof will fit into a midfield without Beni, but if we can't replace or keep him we will have to change our style. On a slightly different note about him; he's not yet up to full fitness IMO, he had a long time out and usually fades late in games. Maybe yesterday's fitness issue was related to that. It was due to him feeling unwell but I agree about him not being back to full fitness which takes a long time after the length of time he has been out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Glad to hear he is okay and started well yesterday. I still think we need an upgrade so won’t be disappointed when he goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 11 minutes ago, Rods said: Glad to hear he is okay and started well yesterday. I still think we need an upgrade so won’t be disappointed when he goes. We won't find an upgrade within our budget I'm sorry to say, but we might be able to change our style of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 28 minutes ago, Rods said: Glad to hear he is okay and started well yesterday. I still think we need an upgrade so won’t be disappointed when he goes. Sometimes we just have to accept that we have an exceptionally talented player who will be impossible to replace like-for-like. Beni is such a player. I'll be devastated if he goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Beni is a class player or was pre injury. Now he looks weak and not fit so his contribution to the team is usually quite minimal. I don’t want someone who will be on a good wage to contribute very little to the team. I am getting Pinilla vibes from him now. We need an upgrade as in someone who will contribute over a sustained period in a match and also the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 3 minutes ago, Rods said: Beni is a class player or was pre injury. Now he looks weak and not fit so his contribution to the team is usually quite minimal. I don’t want someone who will be on a good wage to contribute very little to the team. I am getting Pinilla vibes from him now. We need an upgrade as in someone who will contribute over a sustained period in a match and also the season. You're not watching the same game as me or, I suspect, most of the Heart's support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 10 minutes ago, 4marsbars said: Sometimes we just have to accept that we have an exceptionally talented player who will be impossible to replace like-for-like. Beni is such a player. I'll be devastated if he goes. Me too, we are a far better team with him in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Got to remember he was out for months and has come back and hardly had a rest. He was brilliant yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 8 minutes ago, alicante jambo said: Got to remember he was out for months and has come back and hardly had a rest. He was brilliant yesterday. He was brilliant yesterday for maybe at total of 2 minutes of the game in total. I personally don’t think he contributes enough. Keep him as a back up on a salary fit for a back up but he should not be a starter 13 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: You're not watching the same game as me or, I suspect, most of the Heart's support. He was ragdolled on several occasions last week and was hardly on the pitch yesterday. Maybe I am basing my opinion on his lack of gametime and his general fitness also the effort he fails to put in actually riles me. The effort he put in or the non effort for Rangers second goal was criminal. Still his assist and goals make up for his lack of gametime/effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, Rods said: He was brilliant yesterday for maybe at total of 2 minutes of the game in total. I personally don’t think he contributes enough. Keep him as a back up on a salary fit for a back up but he should not be a starter He was ragdolled on several occasions last week and was hardly on the pitch yesterday. Maybe I am basing my opinion on his lack of gametime and his general fitness also the effort he fails to put in actually riles me. The effort he put in or the non effort for Rangers second goal was criminal. Still his assist and goals make up for his lack of gametime/effort. Your talking rubbish rods. Him and devlin were ruling that midfield. 2 minutes did you watch the game? Genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, alicante jambo said: Your talking rubbish rods. Him and devlin were ruling that midfield. 2 minutes did you watch the game? Genuine question. I watched the game yes. He was subbed after 43 minutes He contributed but nothing amazing then went off Remember him taking the ball in and turning a couple of times but Grant and Devlin were better and if Killie had matched up with us we would have had a passenger who is easily pushed off the ball and unfit. His overall game contributions since returning from injury has been poor. The disgraceful effort for Rangers 2nd goal last week was the final straw for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR INCREDIBLE Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 32 minutes ago, Rods said: Beni is a class player or was pre injury. Now he looks weak and not fit so his contribution to the team is usually quite minimal. I don’t want someone who will be on a good wage to contribute very little to the team. I am getting Pinilla vibes from him now. We need an upgrade as in someone who will contribute over a sustained period in a match and also the season. I’m with you on this !!! Can’t run ! Can’t header ! Can’t hit a pass more than 10 yards ! Can’t shoot ! Cringe every time his name is on the team sheet ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 5 minutes ago, Rods said: I watched the game yes. He was subbed after 43 minutes He contributed but nothing amazing then went off Remember him taking the ball in and turning a couple of times but Grant and Devlin were better and if Killie had matched up with us we would have had a passenger who is easily pushed off the ball and unfit. His overall game contributions since returning from injury has been poor. The disgraceful effort for Rangers 2nd goal last week was the final straw for me. Fair enough mate we disagree with eachother on this. Yes the 2nd goal scunnered me too but none of them covered themselves in glory last week really. I rate beni genuinly thought he played well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, alicante jambo said: Fair enough mate we disagree with eachother on this. Yes the 2nd goal scunnered me too but none of them covered themselves in glory last week really. I rate beni genuinly thought he played well. I am not saying he is a terrible player he just is not consistent enough. We are looking to improve in the league next year we need consistent performers. Right now Beni does not fit that model. let’s agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, Rods said: I am not saying he is a terrible player he just is not consistent enough. We are looking to improve in the league next year we need consistent performers. Right now Beni does not fit that model. let’s agree to disagree I half hope we do lose Beni so folk like you understand how important he is to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Just now, Rods said: I am not saying he is a terrible player he just is not consistent enough. We are looking to improve in the league next year we need consistent performers. Right now Beni does not fit that model. let’s agree to disagree Naismith has semmingly got 3 coming in so far dhanda being 1. He will know if beni is staying or not but i genuinly think with decent players around him he can get back to his best. Our midfield is brutal hasbeen for ages im trusting naisy will sort this. Lets be frank and honest here who has been consistantly good? Look we are 3rd been to 2 semis its no been all doom and gloom. Again last week was hard to take but we move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) https://youtu.be/HtC65gbPnkI?feature=shared Start at 5.21 can anyone tell me how this is acceptable from Beni? If you actually listen you can hear Naisy screaming at him. He was also on the turf looking to get subbed at ER in our 1-0 win we would have been left with 10 men. Edited April 28 by Rods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Leitch Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 15 minutes ago, Rods said: Not trolling your clearly a bit slow or thick as you have Scott Leitch as a user someone who was decent and knew about the effort required for a midfielder. You should really pause to think before posting stupid stuff like that. Try to be smarter the next post. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 6 hours ago, Gorgie_Rules said: He’s undoubtedly one of our best players but if hes not signing a contract there is no point playing him the last 4 games. Give Tait the experience. Agree with that if it's the case, certainly after next week. Wouldn't leave Tait to sink or swim at Parkhead, but Dundee and St.Mirren give him a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 14 hours ago, 1874Jambo said: Aye ok So you're saying he pulled a sickie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Goss Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 No coincidence that the he’s back fit again and we’ve finished third again. Him, Clark, Kent, Kingsley and Shanks are our top 5 performers this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 6 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Explain - You cannot be serious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrystaf Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 9 hours ago, 4marsbars said: A little lazy? I take it (Aussie) you're basing that judgement on what you see on a TV screen. He's constantly looking for the ball, always making himself available, rarely wastes it and doesn't get flustered. The opposite of lazy. Maybe the word you're looking for is relaxed, or comfortable. That's what I see. No, he's far too casual/slow at times and can no longer rely on the quality and skills he clearly had before his injury. It happens to many great players sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 hours ago, Jeremy Goss said: No coincidence that the he’s back fit again and we’ve finished third again. Him, Clark, Kent, Kingsley and Shanks are our top 5 performers this season. Is the correct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 10 minutes ago, H2 said: You cannot be serious! That's a double fault I'm sure I win the point 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 12 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: That's a double fault I'm sure I win the point 🙃 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 5 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said: I half hope we do lose Beni so folk like you understand how important he is to us. Reminds me of when people were wanting rid of Djoum. I just dont get how people dont rate Beni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 hour ago, jamboinglasgow said: Reminds me of when people were wanting rid of Djoum. I just dont get how people dont rate Beni. To be fair, a tiny minority. But, yes, utterly baffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddysBar Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said: Reminds me of when people were wanting rid of Djoum. I just dont get how people dont rate Beni. From a personal perspective, I still rate Beni highly but also think he’s a shadow of the pre-injury Beni and will be looking for a huge contract that I’m not sure this incarnation is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jambo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 12 hours ago, 4marsbars said: A little lazy? I take it (Aussie) you're basing that judgement on what you see on a TV screen. He's constantly looking for the ball, always making himself available, rarely wastes it and doesn't get flustered. The opposite of lazy. Maybe the word you're looking for is relaxed, or comfortable. That's what I see. Unless I fly for a whole day yes I watch all games on hearts TV like most fans that live outside Scotland. What I’m saying is he’s very lazy in my opinion. He seldom runs back to help out in defence majority of the time. He could tackle more or run at players to stop balls but he doesn’t, he always lets others do that. Once any opposing player is in his vici are away with the ball he slows down and doesn’t chase. Don’t get me wrong I rate(d) him but after his injury he’s not been the player he was. It has obviously affected his mental approach in the game also. Scottish football is way more physical than English. Most English players struggle at first until they get used to it. I was a centre midfielder so I tend to watch him and the midfield more. I think he can be a very clever footballer and holds the ball and can make some lovely passes. But soon as anyone comes at him and tackles him he moves away and loses the ball or passes it the ball too quickly then gives it away to the opposition. Watch the last 2 games highlights looking just at Beni. You’ll understand what I mean. So what I’m saying is he’s not a physical player in any way but is skilful. IMO any midfield needs strong players like the defenders. He seems very prissy. I don’t think he is happy at hearts anyway or he would have signed a new contract and the fact he hasn’t already got one speaks volumes to me. I’d be sad to see him go like Gino but he just doesn’t seem happy at hearts. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac80 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Beni turning in to a Djoum like figure amongst the fans. We either love him or hate him. FWIW I am in the former camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 31 minutes ago, Aussie Jambo said: What I’m saying is he’s very lazy in my opinion. He seldom runs back to help out in defence majority of the time. He could tackle more or run at players to stop balls but he doesn’t, he always lets others do that. Once any opposing player is in his vici are away with the ball he slows down and doesn’t chase. . So what I’m saying is he’s not a physical player in any way but is skilful. Strange because shortly before he went off injured I recall him being involved in a tussle with a Killie player where he chased the guy 25 yards fighting for the ball. Of all the things wrong with our weak as p1ss midfield I wouldn't say it's Beni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jambo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) 18 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: Strange because shortly before he went off injured I recall him being involved in a tussle with a Killie player where he chased the guy 25 yards fighting for the ball. Of all the things wrong with our weak as p1ss midfield I wouldn't say it's Beni. That was probably the only time. Look I don’t hate Beni. I think he can be a great player but after his injury he’s a shadow of that. When he first played I loved him. But he was out for sometime. I just think he’s running down the clock with us. Maybe doing what you stated so that another team might see him and pick him up. Unless he already knows where he is going? If he stayed I wouldn’t be angry. I just think he needs to pick up his game and get his confidence back. Anyone ever breaking any limbs knows it’s just not the same afterwards. We’ve had a few players that had similar injuries but never made it back to the player they were. So in a nutshell I’m saying that he’s been great for us but is way off the mark now. I’d still be happy if he stayed but I really can’t see it myself. Again only my opinion and not fact. Edited April 28 by Aussie Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jambo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 27 minutes ago, Mac80 said: Beni turning in to a Djoum like figure amongst the fans. We either love him or hate him. FWIW I am in the former camp. I liked Djoum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middie101 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Benni is still not the same player he was pre injury, but having read many professionals/ex professionals say, it can take the same time you were out for to get back fully fit again im happy to wait until next season to judge him again. Hes by far and away the best at receiving the ball in tight areas in centre mid and retaining the ball. Hes also comfortably the best on the half turn in the squad, which is what seperates the rest of the players on the pitch and center mids. Cochrane great footballer, ok in midfield, but canny do the graceful 180 turn the way long term CMs do. Only real thing hes not got back to is making challenges. The odd one here and there, but he doesnt look like he trusts his body again fully yet to me. Hes still great at reading the game and intercepting the ball. Think benni is waiting to see what his options are in summer. If memory serves me, he has family in Preston!? Could be a shout for him. But like shanks, would not be surprised if he decides to continue on here for another contract. European football will count for alot if the wages on offer are similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 23 minutes ago, Aussie Jambo said: That was probably the only time. Look I don’t hate Beni. I think he can be a great player but after his injury he’s a shadow of that. When he first played I loved him. But he was out for sometime. I just think he’s running down the clock with us. Maybe doing what you stated so that another team might see him and pick him up. Unless he already knows where he is going? If he stayed I wouldn’t be angry. I just think he needs to pick up his game and get his confidence back. Anyone ever breaking any limbs knows it’s just not the same afterwards. We’ve had a few players that had similar injuries but never made it back to the player they were. So in a nutshell I’m saying that he’s been great for us but is way off the mark now. I’d still be happy if he stayed but I really can’t see it myself. Again only my opinion and not fact. Whatever, you've nailed your colours to the mast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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