BigAlim Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) The recent form of Kelly at Motherwell got me thinking that it might not be unrealistic to expect both of our keepers to be on the plane to Germany. Then I thought it would be interesting to see what everyone’s squad would look like at this stage. Here’s a list based on previous squads, must pick 23: Keepers Gunn Gordon Clark Kelly McCrorie (imagine) Defenders Hendry McKenna Porteous Souttar Cooper Tierney Robertson Taylor Hickey Patterson Midfielders McGinn McTominay McGregor Gilmour Ferguson McLean Jack Armstrong Christie Strikers Shankland Adams Dykes Nisbet Brown There’s a couple of squad fillers that get picked quite a lot like Jack and McLean who I hope we can improve on, is there anyone from left field that could come in and improve that group? Edited February 19 by BigAlim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, BigAlim said: The recent form of Kelly at Motherwell got me thinking that it might not be unrealistic to expect both of our keepers to be on the plane to Germany. Then I thought it would be interesting to see what everyone’s squad would look like at this stage. Here’s a list based on previous squads, must pick 23: Keepers Gunn Gordon Clark Kelly McCrorie (imagine) Defenders Hendry McKenna Porteous Souttar Cooper Tierney Robertson Taylor Hickey Patterson Midfielders McGinn McTominay McGregor Gilmour Ferguson McLean Jack Armstrong Christie Strikers Shankland Adams Dykes Nisbet Brown There’s a couple of squad fillers that get picked quite a lot like Jack and McLean who I hope we can improve on, is there anyone from left field that could come in and improve that group? I realise I didn’t even pick my 23! I would have that lot minus McCrorie, Kelly, Cooper, Brown and Nisbet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 at the moment i would go (assuming all fit) 1 Gunn 2 Gordon 3 Clark 4 Hendry 5 Porteous 6 McKenna 7 Tierney 8 Robertson 9 Hickey 10 Patterson 11 Hanley 12 McGinn 13 McTominay 14 McGregor 15 Gilmour 16 Ferguson 17 McLean 18 Jack 19 Armstrong 20 Shankland 21 Adams 22 Dykes 23 Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 8 minutes ago, BigAlim said: The recent form of Kelly at Motherwell got me thinking that it might not be unrealistic to expect both of our keepers to be on the plane to Germany. Then I thought it would be interesting to see what everyone’s squad would look like at this stage. Here’s a list based on previous squads, must pick 23: Keepers Gunn Gordon Clark Kelly McCrorie (imagine) Defenders Hendry McKenna Porteous Souttar Cooper Tierney Robertson Taylor Hickey Patterson Midfielders McGinn McTominay McGregor Gilmour Ferguson McLean Jack Armstrong Christie Strikers Shankland Adams Dykes Nisbet Brown There’s a couple of squad fillers that get picked quite a lot like Jack and McLean who I hope we can improve on, is there anyone from left field that could come in and improve that group? I don't think Nisbet goes. Wouldn't shock me if Ryan Hardie goes instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 minutes ago, BigAlim said: The recent form of Kelly at Motherwell got me thinking that it might not be unrealistic to expect both of our keepers to be on the plane to Germany. Then I thought it would be interesting to see what everyone’s squad would look like at this stage. Here’s a list based on previous squads, must pick 23: Keepers Gunn Gordon Clark Kelly McCrorie (imagine) Defenders Hendry McKenna Porteous Souttar Cooper Tierney Robertson Taylor Hickey Patterson Midfielders McGinn McTominay McGregor Gilmour Ferguson McLean Jack Armstrong Christie Strikers Shankland Adams Dykes Nisbet Brown There’s a couple of squad fillers that get picked quite a lot like Jack and McLean who I hope we can improve on, is there anyone from left field that could come in and improve that group? Think if Harvey Barnes starts playing regularly at Newcastle he may get a call up, but dont think he should be shoehorned in after what the squad have achieved. The question now with Shankland isn't whether he should be in the squad, but whether he should be starting. For me he is the best we have got, but can see Adams being first pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Getting that list down to 23 will not be easy! You've got 29, I think, so two keepers and four outfield players need to miss out. McCrorie won't go and my gut is he'll only take whichever Hearts keeper is first choice for us come the end of the season. The outfield players I'd leave out would be Nisbet, Brown, Jack and probably Cooper. Assuming everyone else is fit and well. The only left field additions I can think of would be the Newcastle boys who are eligible and we've been (allegedly) looking at, or possibly Josh Doig ahead of Greg Taylor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGoodLaugh Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 minutes ago, BigAlim said: The recent form of Kelly at Motherwell got me thinking that it might not be unrealistic to expect both of our keepers to be on the plane to Germany. Then I thought it would be interesting to see what everyone’s squad would look like at this stage. Here’s a list based on previous squads, must pick 23: Keepers Gunn Gordon Clark Kelly McCrorie (imagine) Defenders Hendry McKenna Porteous Souttar Cooper Tierney Robertson Taylor Hickey Patterson Midfielders McGinn McTominay McGregor Gilmour Ferguson McLean Jack Armstrong Christie Strikers Shankland Adams Dykes Nisbet Brown There’s a couple of squad fillers that get picked quite a lot like Jack and McLean who I hope we can improve on, is there anyone from left field that could come in and improve that group? I agree with this and - based on nothing - I actually wonder if Clarke has had a word with Naismith regarding that. Gordon seems remarkably chilled about the current situation so maybe he's been told something? More likely he's just very professional but it had occurred to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Keepers Gunn Gordon Clark Defenders Hendry McKenna Porteous Cooper Tierney Robertson Hickey Patterson Midfielders McGinn McTominay McGregor Gilmour Ferguson McLean Armstrong Christie Strikers Shankland Adams Dykes Fraser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: I don't think Nisbet goes. Wouldn't shock me if Ryan Hardie goes instead. Nisbet is likely to be out for the season with his hamstring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 It's a shame Doak wasn't able to kick on with his injuries. I would chance my luck with Harvey Barnes as I don't think he's a long term solution for England. Gordon will play for England. Anderson can away to ****. I'd ask the question of Livramento. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1. Gunn 2. Clark 3. Gordon 4. Hendry 5. Hanley 6. McKenna 7. Souttar 8. Hickey 9. Tierney 10. Robertson 11. Paterson 12. McGinn 13. McTominay 14. McGregor 15. Gilmour 16. Ferguson 17. McLean 18. Armstrong 19. Barnes 20. Shankland 21. Adams 22. Dykes 23. Christie One thing its good to see that its a tough squad to get into, I do think Harvey Barnes will declare for Scotland. I imagine he will be called up for the friendlies next month. It also wouldn't surprise me if we called up another player likes Barnes (who does not play for Newcastle and it seems all those kind of players we have targeted play for Newcastle.) There is a risk Hickey might not make the Euros as his injury is taking longer than expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 12 minutes ago, Hannibal said: at the moment i would go (assuming all fit) 1 Gunn 2 Gordon 3 Clark 4 Hendry 5 Porteous 6 McKenna 7 Tierney 8 Robertson 9 Hickey 10 Patterson 11 Hanley 12 McGinn 13 McTominay 14 McGregor 15 Gilmour 16 Ferguson 17 McLean 18 Jack 19 Armstrong 20 Shankland 21 Adams 22 Dykes 23 Christie Think this is very close. I believe Souttar, should he stay fit (always questionable), will come into the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 10 minutes ago, AGoodLaugh said: I agree with this and - based on nothing - I actually wonder if Clarke has had a word with Naismith regarding that. Gordon seems remarkably chilled about the current situation so maybe he's been told something? More likely he's just very professional but it had occurred to me. Also think there is a chance that Gordon plays post split, given 3rd will be done and dusted, plus hopefully a cup semi and final and then is right in the reckoning along with Clarke as the No2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 12 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: 1. Gunn 2. Clark 3. Gordon 4. Hendry 5. Hanley 6. McKenna 7. Souttar 8. Hickey 9. Tierney 10. Robertson 11. Paterson 12. McGinn 13. McTominay 14. McGregor 15. Gilmour 16. Ferguson 17. McLean 18. Armstrong 19. Barnes 20. Shankland 21. Adams 22. Dykes 23. Christie One thing its good to see that its a tough squad to get into, I do think Harvey Barnes will declare for Scotland. I imagine he will be called up for the friendlies next month. It also wouldn't surprise me if we called up another player likes Barnes (who does not play for Newcastle and it seems all those kind of players we have targeted play for Newcastle.) There is a risk Hickey might not make the Euros as his injury is taking longer than expected. Hickey missing would be a big blow, the one player I forgot to mention was Ralston who would likely come in to play back up to Patterson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Camazzola Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I believe Cairney would be a great addition and enhancement to the squad. Has been superb of late and there hasn't been any public announcements from either parties to explain his past exclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 GK Gunn Gordon Clark Defenders Robertson Hickey Tierney Hendry Hanley Porteous Doig Patterson McKenna Midfielders McGinn McGregor McTominay Gilmour Ferguson Armstrong McLean Forwards Shankland Adams Conway Christie Swap in Barnes for either Conway or Christie if he declares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Both Hickey and Nisbet are injured. Not sure Nisbet would definitely make the squad but Hickey definitely would if fit. The Brentford manager recently said he had no idea when Hickey would be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 If Gordon doesn’t start playing regularly he won’t being going to euros imo Kelly is shite but Clarke is loyal to the players and generally doesn’t make massive squad changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, Chaps said: If Gordon doesn’t start playing regularly he won’t being going to euros imo Is the correct answer 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex MacDonald Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 If Hickey’s injury rules him out, a strong finish to the season, and a couple of stunning free kicks, won’t do Stephen Kingsley’s chances any harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 minute ago, Alex MacDonald said: If Hickey’s injury rules him out, a strong finish to the season, and a couple of stunning free kicks, won’t do Stephen Kingsley’s chances any harm. Not really, the issue for Scotland is Hickey is a right back. So if he is out he will be replaced by a right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Kingsley not even getting considered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Hannibal said: at the moment i would go (assuming all fit) 1 Gunn 2 Gordon 3 Clark 4 Hendry 5 Porteous 6 McKenna 7 Tierney 8 Robertson 9 Hickey 10 Patterson 11 Hanley 12 McGinn 13 McTominay 14 McGregor 15 Gilmour 16 Ferguson 17 McLean 18 Jack 19 Armstrong 20 Shankland 21 Adams 22 Dykes 23 Christie Souttar over Porteous for me, otherwise it looks good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwalter Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, Bauld said: Kingsley not even getting considered? I thought that strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Klack Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Just as a sidebar to this topic - has it now moved on from whether or not Shanks is on the plane to whether or not he starts games? Madness to leave him out if he carries on this form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo mark Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 My hope this that once 3rd is done and dusted, CG gets the gloves till the end of the season to give him the chance to get into the squad with some match practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Gunn, Gordon, Clark Hickey, Patterson Hendry, Porteous, Souttar, McKenna, Cooper Tierney, Robertson, Doig McGregor, Gilmour, McGinn, McTominay, Ferguson, Armstrong, Christie Shankland, Adams, Dykes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 hours ago, Chaps said: If Gordon doesn’t start playing regularly he won’t being going to euros imo Kelly is shite but Clarke is loyal to the players and generally doesn’t make massive squad changes. I fairly strongly feel the opposite way. Gunn will go as the starter. Gordon will go as #2, because he has bags of experience, he’s fit and he’s playing (even if it’s only Cup games). I think Clarke will have him in there for his influence on the squad, even if he is keeper #3 (in other words, no chance of playing). Third spot is between Clark and Kelly - Clark I’d say was in pole position right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Get Taylor out; Kingsley, for starters, is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 hours ago, karipidis said: Think if Harvey Barnes starts playing regularly at Newcastle he may get a call up, but dont think he should be shoehorned in after what the squad have achieved. The question now with Shankland isn't whether he should be in the squad, but whether he should be starting. For me he is the best we have got, but can see Adams being first pick. Has Harvey Barnes declared himself available for selection for Scotland? If not, I wouldn't be selecting him or any of the English players tbh. If they still want to be part of the scotland squad after these euros then I'd call them up for next qualifying campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Would like see Tom Cairney of Fulham back in. Good player and a good shot in him. Upgrade on Jack and McLean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Personally wouldn't have Porteous near any Scotland squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainy Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 When does he announce his euros squad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 minute ago, Bainy said: When does he announce his euros squad? Think there's 3 friendlies first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Doc Rob said: I fairly strongly feel the opposite way. Gunn will go as the starter. Gordon will go as #2, because he has bags of experience, he’s fit and he’s playing (even if it’s only Cup games). I think Clarke will have him in there for his influence on the squad, even if he is keeper #3 (in other words, no chance of playing). Third spot is between Clark and Kelly - Clark I’d say was in pole position right now. Would agree, Clark knows what he gets from Gordon, a very experienced and capable keeper. Also unless McLaughlin gets called up, he will be the only keeper who was at Euro 2020. I think as long as he showing some game time that he has not lost it, then he will be there even if Clark is getting the majority of the games for Hearts. I do agree the third place spot should be for the most on form Scottish keeper thats not the first two. Clark is miles ahead of the rest so should be called up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Doc Rob said: I fairly strongly feel the opposite way. Gunn will go as the starter. Gordon will go as #2, because he has bags of experience, he’s fit and he’s playing (even if it’s only Cup games). I think Clarke will have him in there for his influence on the squad, even if he is keeper #3 (in other words, no chance of playing). Third spot is between Clark and Kelly - Clark I’d say was in pole position right now. Clark and Kelly is not a debate at the moment. Both Hearts goalies should, and fairly certain will, go to the Euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Harvey Barnes will go to the euros IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said: Would like see Tom Cairney of Fulham back in. Good player and a good shot in him. Upgrade on Jack and McLean. Good player but he’s not interested in playing for Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borders Jambo Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I'd love to see Kingsley have a storming end to the season just to make SC think. Having Naismith as your Manager and given his relationship with SC on the coaching side, may help as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladisacoward Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, John Findlay said: Personally wouldn't have Porteous near any Scotland squad. Absolutely right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 6 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: Good player but he’s not interested in playing for Scotland Just read up on him. He will be 33 soon. The boat has sailed that way also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojambo Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) Hickey, Tierney and Nisbet are all injured and may not play again this season. Cooper, Patterson and Porteous aren't regular starters and Jack seldom plays. I feel Kingsley is playing really well and must be a contender for recall if he goes with form. Edited February 20 by jimbojambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojambo Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 7 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: Good player but he’s not interested in playing for Scotland https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/tom-cairney-reveals-scotland-euro-2024-wish-as-forgotten-fulham-star-sends-message-to-steve-clarke-4465051 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 hours ago, jimbojambo said: Hickey, Tierney and Nisbet are all injured and may not play again this season. Cooper, Patterson and Porteous aren't regular starters and Jack seldom plays. I feel Kingsley is playing really well and must be a contender for recall if he goes with form. Tierney is back fit and in the Sociedad squad this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 13 hours ago, Cruyff said: Gunn, Gordon, Clark Hickey, Patterson Hendry, Porteous, Souttar, McKenna, Cooper Tierney, Robertson, Doig McGregor, Gilmour, McGinn, McTominay, Ferguson, Armstrong, Christie Shankland, Adams, Dykes Hanley is an absolute certainty if fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 hours ago, jimbojambo said: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/tom-cairney-reveals-scotland-euro-2024-wish-as-forgotten-fulham-star-sends-message-to-steve-clarke-4465051 fair enough but actions speak louder than words, when he had his chance he didn’t take it. Now he fancies walking it so he can get a run out at the euros? Big no from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyC Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 hours ago, jimbojambo said: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/tom-cairney-reveals-scotland-euro-2024-wish-as-forgotten-fulham-star-sends-message-to-steve-clarke-4465051 I'm still haunted by Cairney and Kevin McDonald being our Central Midfield in one game. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartofmidlothian Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 15 hours ago, Doc Rob said: I fairly strongly feel the opposite way. Gunn will go as the starter. Gordon will go as #2, because he has bags of experience, he’s fit and he’s playing (even if it’s only Cup games). I think Clarke will have him in there for his influence on the squad, even if he is keeper #3 (in other words, no chance of playing). Third spot is between Clark and Kelly - Clark I’d say was in pole position right now. 12 hours ago, karipidis said: Clark and Kelly is not a debate at the moment. Both Hearts goalies should, and fairly certain will, go to the Euros. I'm with both of you, we need three keepers and Gordon is first choice if fit, if not it's Gunn, Clark and Kelly in that order. He'd be silly not to take a fit Gordon because of his influence and experience, then it's the next two on the list. I wouldn't be surprised to see both Gordon and Clark on the plane, but also not surprised if Gunn ends up playing all our games, barring injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Porteous has been pretty good in a Scotland jersey. Absolutely no way he isn't in the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 38 minutes ago, tartofmidlothian said: I'm with both of you, we need three keepers and Gordon is first choice if fit, if not it's Gunn, Clark and Kelly in that order. He'd be silly not to take a fit Gordon because of his influence and experience, then it's the next two on the list. I wouldn't be surprised to see both Gordon and Clark on the plane, but also not surprised if Gunn ends up playing all our games, barring injury. Gunn will definitely play all the games. Not sure Gordon will make the squad if he’s only played 3 or 4 cup games but for me he should be getting back in the Hearts team now. At 70/80% he’s still a better keeper than Clark (or probably any other keeper in the league bar Butland) but at some point we need to find out if he still has it at 41 after a year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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