bigdav Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Left us in 2018 to join Brighton,played the last two seasons on loan to Northampton,prob on a good wedge but well under the radar now. Would he have been better served staying with us like Tait and getting first team football or did he not like the manager in charge at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Think his father has a lot to do with it from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, bigdav said: Left us in 2018 to join Brighton,played the last two seasons on loan to Northampton,prob on a good wedge but well under the radar now. Would he have been better served staying with us like Tait and getting first team football or did he not like the manager in charge at the time. Possibly but the two that did stay never fulfilled their early promise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Tricky one. To make the best decision. Ironically had a chance of getting in the team after he told Hearts he was leaving as we had a major injury crisis. Even could have been our youngest ever player. But as said he's doing at least as well if not better than the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rabbit Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 4 minutes ago, indianajones said: Think his father has a lot to do with it from memory. Yup, was the same time as Cochrane and McDonald and said he should be getting first team football. I’ve never really understood the appeal for young kids breaking through to join the rat race of premier league development teams. Very few Scottish youngsters, if any, have come through them and most seem to then drop down the leagues. The Scottish players who have done well in the premier league have all worked their way up in Scotland first before earning their move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Was badly advised by his own father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 20 minutes ago, Mr Rabbit said: Yup, was the same time as Cochrane and McDonald and said he should be getting first team football. I’ve never really understood the appeal for young kids breaking through to join the rat race of premier league development teams. Very few Scottish youngsters, if any, have come through them and most seem to then drop down the leagues. The Scottish players who have done well in the premier league have all worked their way up in Scotland first before earning their move. It’s called arrogance. Nothing wrong with believing in yourself and having drive. However, once you start believing in your potential you’re on a very slippery slope. All brilliant players have practiced and grafted, not taken it for granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 28 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Was badly advised by his own father. agreed. However the one thing I will say, not many better clubs than Brighton to learn your trade. Got to be able to do it though Edited February 18 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 31 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Was badly advised by his own father. The boys still belongs to Brighton so that remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 All what ifs and buts. You can't say he was badly advised, he might never of played at Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscjambo Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 So hard to tell. The management at the time weren't the best. Remember josh doig was released too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goader Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, mscjambo said: So hard to tell. The management at the time weren't the best. Remember josh doig was released too Hearts decided Hickey was the better player, which has been proved right. He was given the opportunity to play in a different position, he chose to leave and the rest is history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 minute ago, goader said: Hearts decided Hickey was the better player, which has been proved right. He was given the opportunity to play in a different position, he chose to leave and the rest is history. so good we barely kept him for a season, so good he could play about 5 positions. There was room for both. It was a moronic decision by levein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay James Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I’ve watched him at a few Cobblers matches and for me, he’s found his level. I’ll be amazed if he makes it at Brighton or similar level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 21 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: All what ifs and buts. You can't say he was badly advised, he might never of played at Hearts. Was it not the case that he was underage ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronstheman Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Brighton went into the EPL around 2016 and have been consistent .Mark would have to been exceptional and then some to get into the team over the yrs Though he will have an excellent CV and no doubt have a decent career in football Re what pans out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamorgan Jambo Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Reading this and knowing a few Cobblers fans who like but don't particulary rave about him isn't it amazing just how right Aaron Hickey's father has been in developing his son's career. Constant and ruthless focus on first team football and turning down moves that wouldn't have got him that. He's on the brink of a transfer to a really big club now. Whereas Marc who.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madjambo21 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Wish the kid all the best. Hard to follow your dreams and make a go of it. Would have been nice if he made it through our academy but he was probably offered crazy money down south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, goader said: Hearts decided Hickey was the better player, which has been proved right. He was given the opportunity to play in a different position, he chose to leave and the rest is history. We could have had Doig & Hickey play together tbf, Hickey’s very comfortable on the right side as well. At the time though we had Michael Smith in his best form in that position so the pathway wasn’t as straightforward as it was to left back. In another timeline where someone came in & bought Smith that summer then maybe we make a call to play Hickey on the right side & see them both come through on opposite flanks. Still, it’s all ifs & buts, as you say Doig felt his path was blocked by Hickey & wanted to play as a left back, so he left for opportunities at our neighbours. Can’t grudge him for doing whats best for himself, can’t complain at Heart’s decision to have Hickey ahead of him. These things happen. Edited February 18 by boag1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 44 minutes ago, john thomas said: Was it not the case that he was underage ? That was a factor, in that his advisors thought he should be training with the first team when Harry Cochrane got his first team debut. However, Marc was still only 15 at the time (b. 19/12/2002) and wasn't eligible to play first team football. Once Levein became aware of his desire to leave, he was effectively frozen out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboy1982 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Goes to show how picking the right club is so important. Hickey could’ve went to Bayern and if did he might be sitting playing for their b team like the other two Scottish guys they have. He chose well tho and went to a team that would give him a game for the first team. Also got lucky as the normal left back got injured. Sometimes the biggest team isn’t the best choice for young players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Financially it will have very likely been a good move for him. His career could still take off in terms of regular playing...but perhaps not at Brighton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 17 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: That was a factor, in that his advisors thought he should be training with the first team when Harry Cochrane got his first team debut. However, Marc was still only 15 at the time (b. 19/12/2002) and wasn't eligible to play first team football. Once Levein became aware of his desire to leave, he was effectively frozen out. If a 15 year old announces they want to leave the club is quite right to not waste time on their development and concentrate more on a youngster that wants to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 4 minutes ago, Tazio said: If a 15 year old announces they want to leave the club is quite right to not waste time on their development and concentrate more on a youngster that wants to stay. Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 30 minutes ago, boag1874 said: We could have had Doig & Hickey play together tbf, Hickey’s very comfortable on the right side as well. At the time though we had Michael Smith in his best form in that position so the pathway wasn’t as straightforward as it was to left back. In another timeline where someone came in & bought Smith that summer then maybe we make a call to play Hickey on the right side & see them both come through on opposite flanks. Still, it’s all ifs & buts, as you say Doig felt his path was blocked by Hickey & wanted to play as a left back, so he left for opportunities at our neighbours. Can’t grudge him for doing whats best for himself, can’t complain at Heart’s decision to have Hickey ahead of him. These things happen. A month or two back, I helped one of the Academy staff with a little project to map out where players had gone after leaving Hearts. It was partly to help the Academy set expectations for parents and the kids, both when coming into the club and their chances of success, but also to illustrate that many who left the academy had continued to play football at a decent full time or part time level. We looked at around 350 players born between 1990 and 2005 who had spent at least a year at the Academy and the highest levels they achieved after leaving Hearts. 3 (0.9%) had made it to the Big 5 leagues - Liam Henderson, Josh Doig and Aaron Hickey 33 (9.4%) had played at least 20 games at Tier 1 in Scotland, of which 24 (6.9%) did so at Hearts 60 (17.1%) had played in Tiers 2-4. 38 (10.9%) had played at Tier 5. 71 (20.3%) played at Tiers 6+ In total 241 (68.9%) had continued playing adult football after leaving Hearts. In recent years almost a third of Academy recruits ended up getting a full time contract at Hearts at 16/17. That is mainly due to CAS now going up to U18 and the existence of a B Team. Edited February 18 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tackle Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 15 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: A month or two back, I helped one of the Academy staff with a little project to map out where players had gone after leaving Hearts. It was partly to help the Academy set expectations for parents and the kids, both when coming into the club and their chances of success, but also to illustrate that many who left the academy had continued to play football at a decent full time or part time level. We looked at around 350 players born between 1990 and 2005 who had spent at least a year at the Academy and the highest levels they achieved after leaving Hearts. 3 (0.9%) had made it to the Big 5 leagues - Liam Henderson, Josh Doig and Aaron Hickey 33 (9.4%) had played at least 20 games at Tier 1 in Scotland, of which 24 (6.9%) did so at Hearts 60 (17.1%) had played in Tiers 2-4. 38 (10.9%) had played at Tier 5. 71 (20.3%) played at Tiers 6+ In total 241 (68.9%) had continued playing adult football after leaving Hearts. In recent years almost a third of Academy recruits ended up getting a full time contract at Hearts at 16/17. That is mainly due to CAS now going up to U18 and the existence of a B Team. Really interesting stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 You cant really say if the move paid off or not at the moment. He certainly is rated down south and there were a few Championship clubs interested in taking him on loan in January but never materialised. He is also only 22 so plenty time. I dont think he will get first team Brighton football, but I can see him having a decent career in England and playing in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 5 hours ago, Footballfirst said: A month or two back, I helped one of the Academy staff with a little project to map out where players had gone after leaving Hearts. It was partly to help the Academy set expectations for parents and the kids, both when coming into the club and their chances of success, but also to illustrate that many who left the academy had continued to play football at a decent full time or part time level. We looked at around 350 players born between 1990 and 2005 who had spent at least a year at the Academy and the highest levels they achieved after leaving Hearts. 3 (0.9%) had made it to the Big 5 leagues - Liam Henderson, Josh Doig and Aaron Hickey Interesting stuff. is that LiamHenderson as in ex-Hibs Liam Henderson? I never knew he was on our books at any point. Edited February 18 by Bob Loblaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Bob Loblaw said: Interesting stuff. is that LiamHenderson as in ex-Hibs Liam Henderson? I never knew he was on our books at any point. Yes. He had a couple of seasons at Hearts and left at 12/13 to join Celtic. He was subsequently loaned to Rosenborg and Hibs before being transferred to Bari. He's currently with Empoli, but on loan to Palermo. Edit: others who were at the Academy but few will have knowledge of are Danny Galbraith, Greg Stewart, Ali Crawford, Mikey Devlin and David Gray. Even Darren Fletcher played a few games as a trialist. Edited February 18 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 35 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Yes. He had a couple of seasons at Hearts and left at 12/13 to join Celtic. He was subsequently loaned to Rosenborg and Hibs before being transferred to Bari. He's currently with Empoli, but on loan to Palermo. Edit: others who were at the Academy but few will have knowledge of are Danny Galbraith, Greg Stewart, Ali Crawford, Mikey Devlin and David Gray. Even Darren Fletcher played a few games as a trialist. And Shankland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 19 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said: You cant really say if the move paid off or not at the moment. He certainly is rated down south and there were a few Championship clubs interested in taking him on loan in January but never materialised. He is also only 22 so plenty time. I dont think he will get first team Brighton football, but I can see him having a decent career in England and playing in the Championship. Linked with Pompey now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 22 hours ago, Footballfirst said: A month or two back, I helped one of the Academy staff with a little project to map out where players had gone after leaving Hearts. It was partly to help the Academy set expectations for parents and the kids, both when coming into the club and their chances of success, but also to illustrate that many who left the academy had continued to play football at a decent full time or part time level. We looked at around 350 players born between 1990 and 2005 who had spent at least a year at the Academy and the highest levels they achieved after leaving Hearts. 3 (0.9%) had made it to the Big 5 leagues - Liam Henderson, Josh Doig and Aaron Hickey 33 (9.4%) had played at least 20 games at Tier 1 in Scotland, of which 24 (6.9%) did so at Hearts 60 (17.1%) had played in Tiers 2-4. 38 (10.9%) had played at Tier 5. 71 (20.3%) played at Tiers 6+ In total 241 (68.9%) had continued playing adult football after leaving Hearts. In recent years almost a third of Academy recruits ended up getting a full time contract at Hearts at 16/17. That is mainly due to CAS now going up to U18 and the existence of a B Team. That's really interesting. Shows around 7.8% of academy recruits play for our first team which is very small (although i suspect the norm) I suppose as a parent you have to see the academy as a stepping stone to a career in the game, just perhaps not with Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: That's really interesting. Shows around 7.8% of academy recruits play for our first team which is very small (although i suspect the norm) I suppose as a parent you have to see the academy as a stepping stone to a career in the game, just perhaps not with Hearts. In addition to those who had played 20+ games for Hearts there are another 20 who played fewer than 20 games but have continued to play after leaving the club, e.g. Fraser Mullen, Chris Hamilton, Robbie Buchanan, Adam King, Paul Mulrooney, Rocky Visconte. There are also 15 others in the review period who are still at Hearts (b. 2002-2005), either in the first team squad (Denholm, Tait, Pollock), out on loan (Stone, Flatman), or still playing with the B Team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 25 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: That's really interesting. Shows around 7.8% of academy recruits play for our first team which is very small (although i suspect the norm) I suppose as a parent you have to see the academy as a stepping stone to a career in the game, just perhaps not with Hearts. I do wonder if the B team can be a big boost for players getting into senior football away from Hearts. Obviously the hope with the B team is that players are developed into be first team players at Hearts. But obviously they wont all make it. So if you are a 20 year old player who is getting let go after not quite making the grade at Hearts, in the past you could be leaving having only played youth league football (U19/U20.) You could be lucky and have had a loan where you got some games in the lower leagues. But with the ages of Hearts B players, you could easily have had 30+ senior competitive games in a tough league (admittedly 5th tier.) I think it makes you much more attractive to a lower league manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 23 hours ago, Footballfirst said: A month or two back, I helped one of the Academy staff with a little project to map out where players had gone after leaving Hearts. It was partly to help the Academy set expectations for parents and the kids, both when coming into the club and their chances of success, but also to illustrate that many who left the academy had continued to play football at a decent full time or part time level. We looked at around 350 players born between 1990 and 2005 who had spent at least a year at the Academy and the highest levels they achieved after leaving Hearts. 3 (0.9%) had made it to the Big 5 leagues - Liam Henderson, Josh Doig and Aaron Hickey 33 (9.4%) had played at least 20 games at Tier 1 in Scotland, of which 24 (6.9%) did so at Hearts 60 (17.1%) had played in Tiers 2-4. 38 (10.9%) had played at Tier 5. 71 (20.3%) played at Tiers 6+ In total 241 (68.9%) had continued playing adult football after leaving Hearts. In recent years almost a third of Academy recruits ended up getting a full time contract at Hearts at 16/17. That is mainly due to CAS now going up to U18 and the existence of a B Team. Really interesting for people like me who enjoy the business side of things, thanks for sharing. I have often wondered how Hearts sell the fact that the vast majority of players who leave us NEVER play for as big a club again for the rest of their career to any half decent youngsters itching to leave before they are ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comradejambo Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 23 hours ago, Footballfirst said: A month or two back, I helped one of the Academy staff with a little project to map out where players had gone after leaving Hearts. It was partly to help the Academy set expectations for parents and the kids, both when coming into the club and their chances of success, but also to illustrate that many who left the academy had continued to play football at a decent full time or part time level. We looked at around 350 players born between 1990 and 2005 who had spent at least a year at the Academy and the highest levels they achieved after leaving Hearts. 3 (0.9%) had made it to the Big 5 leagues - Liam Henderson, Josh Doig and Aaron Hickey 33 (9.4%) had played at least 20 games at Tier 1 in Scotland, of which 24 (6.9%) did so at Hearts 60 (17.1%) had played in Tiers 2-4. 38 (10.9%) had played at Tier 5. 71 (20.3%) played at Tiers 6+ In total 241 (68.9%) had continued playing adult football after leaving Hearts. In recent years almost a third of Academy recruits ended up getting a full time contract at Hearts at 16/17. That is mainly due to CAS now going up to U18 and the existence of a B Team. Very interesting! Thanks. Is this a cross section? (thought that Callum Paterson would be added to the “3” that made it in the top 5 leagues in that period? ) Edited February 19 by comradejambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 32 minutes ago, comradejambo said: Very interesting! Thanks. Is this a cross section? (thought that Callum Paterson would be added to the “3” that made it in the top 5 leagues in that period? ) Thanks for that reminder. He played 27 games for Cardiff in the EPL and 1 FA Cup and 1 League Cup game while they were in the EPL, so it is fair to include him in the top 5 leagues group. I'll adjust my numbers accordingly. Edited February 19 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: In addition to those who had played 20+ games for Hearts there are another 20 who played fewer than 20 games but have continued to play after leaving the club, e.g. Fraser Mullen, Chris Hamilton, Robbie Buchanan, Adam King, Paul Mulrooney, Rocky Visconte. There are also 15 others in the review period who are still at Hearts (b. 2002-2005), either in the first team squad (Denholm, Tait, Pollock), out on loan (Stone, Flatman), or still playing with the B Team. Do you have any data on those that turned down a Hearts contract to sign down south/abroad and whether or not their gamble paid off...apart from Hickey of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 minutes ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said: Do you have any data on those that turned down a Hearts contract to sign down south/abroad and whether or not their gamble paid off...apart from Hickey of course I'm afraid not, but there won't be many. Off the top of my head, Ewan Simpson, Marc Leonard, Jordan McGhee, Danny Galbraith and older ones David Gray, Graeme Port, Kevin Smith There are some who chose to leave and go to Celtic or Rangers. Greig Allen is the most recent one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: I'm afraid not, but there won't be many. Off the top of my head, Ewan Simpson, Marc Leonard, Jordan McGhee, Danny Galbraith and older ones David Gray, Graeme Port, Kevin Smith There are some who chose to leave and go to Celtic or Rangers. Greig Allen is the most recent one. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Arthur Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 22 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said: You cant really say if the move paid off or not at the moment. He certainly is rated down south and there were a few Championship clubs interested in taking him on loan in January but never materialised. He is also only 22 so plenty time. I dont think he will get first team Brighton football, but I can see him having a decent career in England and playing in the Championship. Hello, Cobblers (Northampton) fan here. Always had a soft spot for Hearts because you play in the same colours as us. There's a bit of misinformation going on here so I thought Id correct it. Leonard was very good in our promotion last season, but this year has been frankly brilliant - he'll win player of the season easily. He is probably the best pass and move footballer I've seen in 50 years of watching us but has that aggression as well. He's far too good for us. I think Brighton might loan him out again next season but he'll surely be playing premier league before too long. Most Cobblers fans now think he'll play for Scotland. His three goals in the last four games have all been top drawer sensational. Seek them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 14 minutes ago, Ben Arthur said: Hello, Cobblers (Northampton) fan here. Always had a soft spot for Hearts because you play in the same colours as us. There's a bit of misinformation going on here so I thought Id correct it. Leonard was very good in our promotion last season, but this year has been frankly brilliant - he'll win player of the season easily. He is probably the best pass and move footballer I've seen in 50 years of watching us but has that aggression as well. He's far too good for us. I think Brighton might loan him out again next season but he'll surely be playing premier league before too long. Most Cobblers fans now think he'll play for Scotland. His three goals in the last four games have all been top drawer sensational. Seek them out. Thanks Ben. Good luck to the Cobblers and Marc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Ben Arthur said: Hello, Cobblers (Northampton) fan here. Always had a soft spot for Hearts because you play in the same colours as us. There's a bit of misinformation going on here so I thought Id correct it. Leonard was very good in our promotion last season, but this year has been frankly brilliant - he'll win player of the season easily. He is probably the best pass and move footballer I've seen in 50 years of watching us but has that aggression as well. He's far too good for us. I think Brighton might loan him out again next season but he'll surely be playing premier league before too long. Most Cobblers fans now think he'll play for Scotland. His three goals in the last four games have all been top drawer sensational. Seek them out. Thanks for that update. Was really gutted when Leonard left us aged 16 for Brighton as he looked one of our best prospects. Glad he is excelling at Northampton and looking able to make the step up after giving yourselves two great seasons. I remember last summer a football analysis account tried to see the player in English football who had the most similar stats to match Moisés Caicedo's profile for who Brighton could replace him when he left. Turned out it was Marc Leonard. Good luck to yourselves for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanyl Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 if Marc does go on to get a big move somewhere at some point, do we get a few grand for him training with us as a kid? UEFA solidarity payments or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 18/02/2024 at 15:57, kingantti1874 said: so good we barely kept him for a season, so good he could play about 5 positions. There was room for both. It was a moronic decision by levein. Spot on. H1b5 have made millions off that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augusthearts Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 18/02/2024 at 17:25, Footballfirst said: A month or two back, I helped one of the Academy staff with a little project to map out where players had gone after leaving Hearts. It was partly to help the Academy set expectations for parents and the kids, both when coming into the club and their chances of success, but also to illustrate that many who left the academy had continued to play football at a decent full time or part time level. We looked at around 350 players born between 1990 and 2005 who had spent at least a year at the Academy and the highest levels they achieved after leaving Hearts. 3 (0.9%) had made it to the Big 5 leagues - Liam Henderson, Josh Doig and Aaron Hickey 33 (9.4%) had played at least 20 games at Tier 1 in Scotland, of which 24 (6.9%) did so at Hearts 60 (17.1%) had played in Tiers 2-4. 38 (10.9%) had played at Tier 5. 71 (20.3%) played at Tiers 6+ In total 241 (68.9%) had continued playing adult football after leaving Hearts. In recent years almost a third of Academy recruits ended up getting a full time contract at Hearts at 16/17. That is mainly due to CAS now going up to U18 and the existence of a B Team. Many thanks for sharing that. Really interesting stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DalryJambo Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 There's part of me that always thinks that one role of the academy's in Scotland run by the traditionally bigger clubs ie Hearts, Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen, etc is to churn out technically sound footballers for all the other leagues. It's a shame there's not more of a collective responsibility towards adopting a more technique base style right throughout the youth leagues as over time this would surely help raise the standards in Scottish football. ....or do people feel this is what's happening already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I reckon he will end up having a better career than Cochrane and McDonald. It’s not just the money that is attractive for a young players career but it’s also opportunities. If you choose to stay at Hearts and don’t do well then you will end up in part time football before you turn 25. If you take the dangling carrot of a premier league club and don’t make it then you can still work your way down the professional ladder for a few years. Look at Joel Pereira, he’s never been good for any club he’s played for but because he got himself into man united he’ll always have a job offer. Leonard failing at Brighton doesn’t have the same consequences as failing here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithian Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 It's easy to understand a teenager wanting an opportunity to prove himself at a Premier League club and you can't blame a parent for letting their kid do it. He just turned 22 and is currently starting for a midtable English League One side and is in the system of a well run EPL club that does a good job maximizing talent. That isn't bad! The Marc Leonard story just tells me it is vital for Hearts to continue to invest in the Academy and to be better developing talent, which will help give young talents and their families the confidence to work through the Hearts academy. This club can't afford the quick path, so the patient path is the way. I think there is some real progress in that area. The path is better now. Look at Tait and Denholm. I feel like not that long ago they've been tossed out there as 18 or 19 years and either thrived or found themselves out on frees. Today, they're brought in slowly after having opportunities to play on the B Team. And players whose clocks at Tynecastle ran out, like Connor Smith and Scott McGill, found themselves at good spots to continue their career. They're not failing down to part-time clubs. James Wilson committing to Hearts shows the club can now convince young men this is the place to excel. I wish it was like this in the 2010's, but at least the progress is being made now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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