Greedy Jambo Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Slaves are hard-working, but they're not skilled craftsmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said: Slaves are hard-working, but they're not skilled craftsmen. Not all of them needed to be. Of course it was slaves. Slavery gets shit done. Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Space Jews and the Borg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 It certainly wasn’t slaves as the workers on the pyramids were free tradesmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboCampbell Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Left over from a time long long before us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Some Polish guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, Dawnrazor said: Some Polish guys. In a week too😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, henrysmithsgloves said: In a week too😀 Even back then they were known the word over for getting shit done, on time and on budget, just look at the job they did with them Hanging Gardens and Machu Picchu was actually a brickie from Gadansk called Mikołaj Polaco, not a lot of people know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said: Even back then they were known the word over for getting shit done, on time and on budget, just look at the job they did with them Hanging Gardens and Machu Picchu was actually a brickie from Gadansk called Mikołaj Polaco, not a lot of people know that. Was that the brickie that done yon wall in china ,took him three weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dawnrazor Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, henrysmithsgloves said: Was that the brickie that done yon wall in china ,took him three weeks? Nah, that was his cousin, Marcin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said: Nah, that was his cousin, Marcin. They look all the same to me😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehcaley Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The Pyramesians,related to The Leithiopians who built the Banana flats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Built by highly skilled masons who worked in gangs and had their own accommodation close to the pyramids ( some have been excavated). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, periodictabledancer said: Built by highly skilled masons who worked in gangs and had their own accommodation close to the pyramids ( some have been excavated). That's a secret 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, periodictabledancer said: Built by highly skilled masons who worked in gangs and had their own accommodation close to the pyramids ( some have been excavated). Masons need labourers. Slaves = cheap labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Masons need labourers. Slaves = cheap labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 hours ago, Greedy Jambo said: Slaves are hard-working, but they're not skilled craftsmen. Which pyramids are you talking about? Sudan has the most, Mexico has the biggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Maple Leaf said: Which pyramids are you talking about? Sudan has the most, Mexico has the biggest. Yeah, but Egypt has the mummiest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: Which pyramids are you talking about? Sudan has the most, Mexico has the biggest. Whoa ! Egypt has the tallest , but "largest" isn't the same thing . Those things in Mexico /C America are good but Egypt is best. Thank you, very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Yeah, but Egypt has the mummiest. I'm told that mummies invented (w)rap music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 26 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Masons need labourers. Slaves = cheap labour. They were highly unionised. No foreigners. No freedom of movement (actually, not much freedom at all). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That thing you do Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 7 hours ago, Greedy Jambo said: Slaves are hard-working, but they're not skilled craftsmen. Toblerone built the only pyramids that matter. The biggest pyramid in the world isnt the great pyramid in Egypt. Its in Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Surely the Irish? They've built everything else😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: I'm told that mummies invented (w)rap music. How do you use an Egyptian doorbell? Spoiler Toot and come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 8 hours ago, Greedy Jambo said: Slaves are hard-working, but they're not skilled craftsmen. Go to any construction site where they're working on say a 50 storey building. What you're going to see there is labourers far outnumbering anyone else including architects. There is nothing odd about that. It's like saying who built the Suez canal or the Hoover dam, and the answer is mostly labourers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) Incidentally speaking of the Hoover dam there are some good documentaries on YouTube one of which I will post here. Growing up I had always wondered how a dam is actually built because as a kid me and a few others had tried to dam a burn one time, didn't work out well. A Hoover dam documentary taught me how it's done, how do you stop the water washing over you while you're building your dam. And in relation to this thread it also mentions they had to construct a town out there in the desert, to house the army of labourers it took. They actually refer to it in the doc as the equivalent of an American pyramid. Edited February 13 by JFK-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 These guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: These guys! These guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: These guys. Him and his baddies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Feel for these builders,read the plans upside down 🤕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 6 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Masons need labourers. Slaves = cheap labour. Savery existed in Egypt at the time the pyramids were built (they probably still exist there now). However, the general consensus among historians appears to be that the pyramids were not built by slaves. https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/who-built-the-egyptian-pyramids-not-slaves Quote But there is another misconception about pyramid construction that’s plagued Egyptian scholars for centuries: Slaves did not build the pyramids. Together, these hieroglyphics give archaeologists hints about where the workers came from, what their lives were like, and who they worked for. Nowhere have archaeologists found signs of slavery or foreign workers. Edited February 13 by Bindy Badgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Pyramids are a black hole subject for me. Once I start, it takes me several hours to come back up for air. And no I don't think it was slaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 The workers on the pyramid of Senusret were housed in Kahun, a small town laid out on a pattern of blocks and streets, thought to be the first ever example of town planning - 5000yrs ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 We are that ignorant and self absorbed today that feats of this magnitude created by less advanced civilisations can’t have happened by very smart humans. Must have been aliens. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 7 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Masons need labourers. Slaves = cheap labour. Agree with that, the brains behind them were unlikely to be slaves, but the donkey work would've been done, partly possibly, by slave labour, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Would say a combination of slaves and skilled craftsman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 They’re tooprecise for it to have been slaves surely? Fascinating stuff anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: They’re tooprecise for it to have been slaves surely? Fascinating stuff anyway. I'd disagree about the accuracy, but there's no way the Draughtsmen, Masons and Engineers were hauling great lumps of stone to the site and then getting them into place, no way, that's slave labour work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 11 minutes ago, OTT said: Would say a combination of slaves and skilled craftsman. Absolutely, like today, the managers, designers, engineers, draughtsman ect aren't on site mixing concrete and laying out bricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: I'd disagree about the accuracy, but there's no way the Draughtsmen, Masons and Engineers were hauling great lumps of stone to the site and then getting them into place, no way, that's slave labour work. Disagree about the accuracy? That’s not true? You only have to think about the 70 tonne stone beams too? They’re hundreds of feet up in some places. How did they get them up there? How many labourers? How long to do this? Its fascinating stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Disagree about the accuracy? That’s not true? You only have to think about the 70 tonne stone beams too? They’re hundreds of feet up in some places. How did they get them up there? How many labourers? How long to do this? Its fascinating stuff. I disagree about the accuracy, you seemed to allude to slaves/labourers being unable to be so accurate, I think they could, they'd get better with experience, the good ones would get the difficult jobs, there was plenty of time for generations of people to become adept at certain tasks. Your point about the "70 tonne stone beams" being "hundreds of feet up in some places" makes the point for me, do you think the brains behind the operation were the one doing the heavy lifting? Or would that be labourers/slaves? How it all came together and the mechanics of the work, I agree, it's a bit of a mystery, but, it must've been done because the Pyramids are there, and I think it's far more likely to have been with human labour rather than "Aliens"! Edited February 13 by Dawnrazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 21 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: I disagree about the accuracy, you seemed to allude to slaves/labourers being unable to be so accurate, I think they could, they'd get better with experience, the good ones would get the difficult jobs, there was plenty of time for generations of people to become adept at certain tasks. Your point about the "70 tonne stone beams" being "hundreds of feet up in some places" makes the point for me, do you think the brains behind the operation were the one doing the heavy lifting? Or would that be labourers/slaves? How it all came together and the mechanics of the work, I agree, it's a bit of a mystery, but, it must've been done because the Pyramids are there, and I think it's far more likely to have been with human labour rather than "Aliens"! I didn’t suggest it was aliens man haha. It just seems unlikely to me labourers were this precise, I’ve worked with plenty 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 28 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Your point about the "70 tonne stone beams" being "hundreds of feet up in some places" You should check out Baalbek in Lebanon. The temple there has enormous pieces of stone that they don't have a clue how it was done beyond educated guesswork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 13 hours ago, Ulysses said: Funny - why does the British Museum get all the bad press? - I've seen extensive Egyptian collections in Turin, Paris, Munich and Berlin museums... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 15 minutes ago, Tazio said: You should check out Baalbek in Lebanon. The temple there has enormous pieces of stone that they don't have a clue how it was done beyond educated guesswork. The Ancient egyptians used pulleys, even though Archimedes is accredited with their invention. Pretty sure if you can imagine pulleys then the idea of greased rope to reduce traction is not beyond your engineers either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Sure I read an article saying they were no slaves at all and were very well treated fed and watered. Would love to visit them and the river nile one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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