Calling Rangers fans "Huns" is officially not sectarian

[Sooks]

Two words - Marco Negri

 

 

[Pete Elliott]

9 hours ago, Chuck Berry said:

Does this render currant bun irrelevant?

Not sure but it’s an important point you’re raisin.

[Pete Elliott]

1 hour ago, Philfigo said:

That must have taken a lot of intelligence to come up with that response. Well done! 

Why are you getting your jimmies so rustled?

[Hashimoto]

16 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

WWII also saw many Irish enlist - some 50k and despite official neutrality, Eire, cooperated with the Brits - Churchill offered De Valera the Six Counties back if Ireland joined up - to offer intelligence on German forces and the elements of the IRA that favoured a German victory.

 

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/ireland-in-world-war-ii-the-swastika-vs-the-shamrock/

Thanks for sharing this brilliant article. De Valera was certainly one shrewd politician, influenced by non other than Joe Kennedy, father of JFK. Joe (made his money by running illegal booze during prohibition) hated the British with a passion, yet Roosevelt made him US ambassador to the UK!
Rumour had it that Churchill the minefield cleared in the Bristol Channel and leaked the information out hoping that a U-boat would torpedo the ship, Germany get's the blame, US public enraged. Strong anti German sentiment. Ultimately Britain get's rid of a "keep America out", anti British, Irish sympathiser.      

[boag1874]

Good, it was never a religious slur. You never see it used outside of the context of football towards Protestants in the same way fenian etc are used. This was a shoehorned attempt to even up the fact that the huns weren’t to use actual anti catholic slurs, now common sense prevails.

[Sooks]

8 minutes ago, Hashimoto said:

Thanks for sharing this brilliant article. De Valera was certainly one shrewd politician, influenced by non other than Joe Kennedy, father of JFK. Joe (made his money by running illegal booze during prohibition) hated the British with a passion, yet Roosevelt made him US ambassador to the UK!
Rumour had it that Churchill the minefield cleared in the Bristol Channel and leaked the information out hoping that a U-boat would torpedo the ship, Germany get's the blame, US public enraged. Strong anti German sentiment. Ultimately Britain get's rid of a "keep America out", anti British, Irish sympathiser.      

While in the navy future US President JFK himself is on record as strongly believing that the US should not go to the allies aid . His Irish roots are said to have played a strong part in that . To be honest I can completely understand why many Irish and Irish migratory Americans would feel no love for the UK both then and now 

[Hmfc1965]

1 hour ago, Sooks said:

You only need to click on a thread about Celtic and their scummy fans to realise that most on here dislike them both in equal measure . The only difference between a thread bashing Celtic and a thread bashing Celtic is the Celtic bashing threads do not have people asking if this is Follow Follow 

 

Plenty of things to rip Celtic for and most do 

Yes they do, or words to that effect 

[Sooks]

Just now, Hmfc1965 said:

Yes they do, or words to that effect 

I should probably pay more attention then because I had not noticed that at least not to the same degree . Fair enough though if so 

[Hmfc1965]

Just now, Sooks said:

I should probably pay more attention then because I had not noticed that at least not to the same degree . Fair enough though if so 

Not to the same degree admittedly but they do happen.

[Gundermann]

3 hours ago, been here before said:

 

Too right, theres never any anti Sellick stuff on here, ever, nothing, not a thing.

 

Start a thread about them and we can all pile on with our Sellick love in.

 

It's about a recent court case ruling on the word 'hun' in a footballing context ffs. There's also discussion here on Ireland, De Valera and the elements of the IRA who wished for a German victory.

 

FWIW, I'd happily see both the Ugly Sisters removed from Scottish football. However, Celtic as a club, to my knowledge, never had an anti-Protestant policy. Rangers had an anti-Catholic policy until fairly recently. The irony is, you're hard pushed to find any Scottish Protestants taking the field for Sevco - their team is full of foreign Catholics and Muslims. Yet their fans sing the same auld tunes...

 

[Cruyff]

7 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

It's about a recent court case ruling on the word 'hun' in a footballing context ffs. There's also discussion here on Ireland, De Valera and the elements of the IRA who wished for a German victory.

 

FWIW, I'd happily see both the Ugly Sisters removed from Scottish football. However, Celtic as a club, to my knowledge, never had an anti-Protestant policy. Rangers had an anti-Catholic policy until fairly recently. The irony is, you're hard pushed to find any Scottish Protestants taking the field for Sevco - their team is full of foreign Catholics and Muslims. Yet their fans sing the same auld tunes...

 

[Hashimoto]

31 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

It's about a recent court case ruling on the word 'hun' in a footballing context ffs. There's also discussion here on Ireland, De Valera and the elements of the IRA who wished for a German victory.

 

FWIW, I'd happily see both the Ugly Sisters removed from Scottish football. However, Celtic as a club, to my knowledge, never had an anti-Protestant policy. Rangers had an anti-Catholic policy until fairly recently. The irony is, you're hard pushed to find any Scottish Protestants taking the field for Sevco - their team is full of foreign Catholics and Muslims. Yet their fans sing the same auld tunes...

 

Sorry to differ....Yes, they did...Jock Stein being cited as the most obvious case. Because he's was a Protestant he was refused a place on the Celtic board by the Kelly's and others. Celtic had at that time a policy of only appointing only Catholics as board members. Not suggesting that it was ever a matter of public record, but well known at the time. A bit like Rangers always denying there refusal to sign Catholics. The statement at the time being "Despite our scouring the country there's none out there good enough to play for Rangers!" 

Edited February 3 by Hashimoto

[PortyBeach]

2 hours ago, Hashimoto said:

Thanks for sharing this brilliant article. De Valera was certainly one shrewd politician, influenced by non other than Joe Kennedy, father of JFK. Joe (made his money by running illegal booze during prohibition) hated the British with a passion, yet Roosevelt made him US ambassador to the UK!
Rumour had it that Churchill the minefield cleared in the Bristol Channel and leaked the information out hoping that a U-boat would torpedo the ship, Germany get's the blame, US public enraged. Strong anti German sentiment. Ultimately Britain get's rid of a "keep America out", anti British, Irish sympathiser.      

That nice Mr Churchill? Shurly schum mishtake…😄

[PortyBeach]

5 minutes ago, Hashimoto said:

Sorry to differ....Yes, they did...Jock Stein being cited as the most obvious case. Because he's was a Protestant he was refused a place on the Celtic board by the Kelly's and others. Celtic had at that time a policy of only appointing only Catholics as board members. Not suggesting that it was ever a matter of public record, but well known at the time. A bit like Rangers always denying there refusal to sign Catholics. The statement at the time being "Despite our scouring the country there's none out there good enough to play for Rangers!" 

Stein’s exclusion was and remains a stain on the reputations of Celtic’s Kelly/White “custodian” families.

Gundermann’s point hold true in regard to player recruitment, however. Some of their top players weren’t Catholic: Evans, Gemmell, McGrain, Dalglish, spring to mind.

[Lone Striker]

Why is the term sectarian used solely in a religious context in Scotland, when the actual definition of the word says it can reference  other differences too such as ethnic and political ?    Therefore shouldn't terms such as   "yoons" and  "seps" could be considered on the same level as Hun and Tim. ? 🙄     All 4 seem to be short-hand slang ways of describing sects, going by the actual definition of word "sectarian".

 

 

 

 

[Boris]

Rangers fans outrage at the term Hun is staggering.

 

Wasn't that long ago that they nicknamed Mark Hately Attila!

[PortyBeach]

2 hours ago, Sooks said:

While in the navy future US President JFK himself is on record as strongly believing that the US should not go to the allies aid . His Irish roots are said to have played a strong part in that . To be honest I can completely understand why many Irish and Irish migratory Americans would feel no love for the UK both then and now 

It’s sad, but true. The all-Ireland population today remains below what it was before the ravages of enforced migration and death by starvation.

I think it’s the only nation in Europe to have less of a population now than it did in the mid-Nineteenth Century.

England’s failure to act decisively and effectively to provide relief for a starving population has left lasting scars. Those who emigrated to the U.S. - away from British rule - were I think particularly prone to nurturing an ongoing resentment based on what happened during the famine years.

As you say, Irish-American U.S. Presidents are not exempt. 

[Sooks]

20 minutes ago, PortyBeach said:

It’s sad, but true. The all-Ireland population today remains below what it was before the ravages of enforced migration and death by starvation.

I think it’s the only nation in Europe to have less of a population now than it did in the mid-Nineteenth Century.

England’s failure to act decisively and effectively to provide relief for a starving population has left lasting scars. Those who emigrated to the U.S. - away from British rule - were I think particularly prone to nurturing an ongoing resentment based on what happened during the famine years.

As you say, Irish-American U.S. Presidents are not exempt. 

Something a lot of people do not realise is that Scotland had a crop famine caused by blight at around the same time and this along with the highland clearances led to a great many Scots leaving the British isles in the same fashion . Always makes me cringe at the ignorance of Scots who use that particular slur to taunt the Irish 

 

 

 

Edited February 3 by Sooks

[Gundermann]

1 hour ago, Hashimoto said:

Sorry to differ....Yes, they did...Jock Stein being cited as the most obvious case. Because he's was a Protestant he was refused a place on the Celtic board by the Kelly's and others. Celtic had at that time a policy of only appointing only Catholics as board members. Not suggesting that it was ever a matter of public record, but well known at the time. A bit like Rangers always denying there refusal to sign Catholics. The statement at the time being "Despite our scouring the country there's none out there good enough to play for Rangers!" 

 

As someone else has mentioned Stein's case was probably an exception and I don't know if it was down to his Protestant background. Scots of all backgrounds played for Celtic from its beginning.

 

What Celtic fans don't seem to mention much is that the club may have been founded by an Irish priest but it was for the poor of Glasgow which at the time included many local working class Protestants as well as Presbyterian victims of the Highland Clearances who had flooded into the city. In Ireland itself, football was banned by the GAA until recently as being "un-Irish" and the most followed sports in the Republic are still Gaelic football and Hurley.

[Gundermann]

17 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Something a lot of people do not realise is that Scotland had a crop famine caused by blight at around the same time and this along with the highland clearances led to a great many Scots leaving the British isles in the same fashion . Always makes me cringe at the ignorance of Scots who use that particular slur to taunt the Irish 

 

 

 

 

Don't let facts get in the way of football tribalism and good auld bigotry!

 

Yeah, most of the famine and clearance victims went to Glasgow but a lot came here as well. Donald MacCormick was a 'Gorgie Gael' who died only a few years ago. I believe his grandparents fled the Clearances and came to Edinburgh. This, from his obituary. He also knew a real Hun btw.

 

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Donald MacCormick was born in Falkirk, the elder son of parents from North Uist. When he was two, the family moved to Edinburgh, where his father got a job in McEwan's brewery as a labourer while his mother worked in the brewery laboratory cleaning glass bottles and containers. His Hebredean connections never left him and his love of the Gaelic remained – it was always spoken in the home. His paternal grandparents lived in the capital but did not speak English and MacCormick remembered always speaking Gaelic as a child.

MacCormick attended Dalry Primary and Tynecastle High School fostering a life-long support of the Heart of Midlothian Football Club.

On leaving school he trained as a motor mechanic but in 1960 he did his national service in Berlin. It proved an usual few years. It was the era of the Berlin Wall and the Cold War was at its most intense. MacCormick was based in Spandau Barracks – where the Nazi officers had been imprisoned after the Nuremburg trials. Indeed, Rudolf Hess, Hitler’s number two who had flown to Scotland on a mysterious mission in 1941 was still resident. “We used to see him walking round the yard every day'' MacCormick recalled.

 

 

[busbyfth]

21 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said:

Poor huns. Poor mini huns on here and in our support. Feel sorry for the huns, constantly being called huns, for being huns.

How about the blokes who call their wives that ? - eg hi hun Im home ? 

 

[busbyfth]

3 hours ago, Sooks said:

While in the navy future US President JFK himself is on record as strongly believing that the US should not go to the allies aid . His Irish roots are said to have played a strong part in that . To be honest I can completely understand why many Irish and Irish migratory Americans would feel no love for the UK both then and now 

That was due to his Dad Joe who was the ruler of the clan with an iron fist and detested the "British"/English. His sons/nephews etc etc were force fed his thoughts from birth. You wonder if Biden is cut from the same cloth with some of his comments. 

Hopefully in Scottish football we can move on from this type of archaic tripe.,.,.,.,.a least outwith the OF. (Hearts and FFFHibs fortunatley have 97-99% of this now eradicated though we still carry a posse of medieval thinkers within our ranks)

[Sooks]

30 minutes ago, busbyfth said:

That was due to his Dad Joe who was the ruler of the clan with an iron fist and detested the "British"/English. His sons/nephews etc etc were force fed his thoughts from birth. You wonder if Biden is cut from the same cloth with some of his comments. 

Hopefully in Scottish football we can move on from this type of archaic tripe.,.,.,.,.a least outwith the OF. (Hearts and FFFHibs fortunatley have 97-99% of this now eradicated though we still carry a posse of medieval thinkers within our ranks)

Agree on all counts 

[PortyBeach]

5 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

As someone else has mentioned Stein's case was probably an exception and I don't know if it was down to his Protestant background. Scots of all backgrounds played for Celtic from its beginning.

 

What Celtic fans don't seem to mention much is that the club may have been founded by an Irish priest but it was for the poor of Glasgow which at the time included many local working class Protestants as well as Presbyterian victims of the Highland Clearances who had flooded into the city. In Ireland itself, football was banned by the GAA until recently as being "un-Irish" and the most followed sports in the Republic are still Gaelic football and Hurley.

If you’re right in what you say, you’d think Celtic fans would be making a big thing about the fact their club - with its Irish and Catholic roots - ensured that its charitable largesse was not confined to the Catholic community.

That’s to their credit, surely?