LarrysRightFoot Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, Philfigo said: Yeah he seem like a guy who just calls it as it is, but I bet his CEO would have a different view. He seems to run the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Unpopular but the real solution is to let the big clubs in Scotland compete in a bigger league. And by the big clubs in mean hearts and Aberdeen as well as the old firm. we will NEVER reach our potential, it boils my piss watching teams like Luton, Brighton and Bournemouth spend millions and millions. We are bigger than all of these clubs. Easily. i would love hearts to get the opportunity build in a British league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 These smaller teams would get bigger crowds from the likes of hearts hibs and Aberdeen if the league was more competitive anyway. We usually have a great away support as it stands never mind if we stood a chance of winning a league title. We would sell out Livingston's entire ground for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 5 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Unpopular but the real solution is to let the big clubs in Scotland compete in a bigger league. And by the big clubs in mean hearts and Aberdeen as well as the old firm. we will NEVER reach our potential, it boils my piss watching teams like Luton, Brighton and Bournemouth spend millions and millions. We are bigger than all of these clubs. Easily. i would love hearts to get the opportunity build in a British league. That would be cool to see us compete in England. I've done that in fifa before. Brought hearts all the way up from the bottom league and eventually won the English premiership. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Just now, Hansel said: That would be cool to see us compete in England. I've done that in fifa before. Brought hearts all the way up from the bottom league and eventually won the English premiership. 😆 It would be brilliant. We’d have a real purpose and a clear path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 9 hours ago, GlasgoJambo said: Can’t say for sure but think you may be the first person to have suggested this. Nae need lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Always said, if things are to change, German football is the model to follow. From top to bottom, ownership, ticket pricing, league structure etc, the whole lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 No Thanks. It would be months of meaningless fixtures and believe me boredom will soon set in and there would be plenty empty seats in a lot of stadiums. Right now every game means something to every team , usually for the whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Just now, RustyRightPeg said: Always said, if things are to change, German football is the model to follow. From top to bottom, ownership, ticket pricing, league structure etc, the whole lot. We can’t copy a nation of 85million people mate nice as it is, we don’t have the people or the finance. I don’t think hearts model would work for any other club either . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 5 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: We can’t copy a nation of 85million people mate nice as it is, we don’t have the people or the finance. I don’t think hearts model would work for any other club either . Didn’t say copy it, just said follow their lead in our own unique way. Realise it wouldn’t be possible 100% but we’d be daft not to use stuff they do for the greater good of our game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 8 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said: No Thanks. It would be months of meaningless fixtures and believe me boredom will soon set in and there would be plenty empty seats in a lot of stadiums. Right now every game means something to every team , usually for the whole season. Exactly. The one thing the current set up has going for it is that most games are meaningful more or less to the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 5 hours ago, gregzy2k7 said: You Sir have nailed it 👌 would absolutely love to see this happen. But unfortunately the idiots who run us will never adopt such a sensible league structure set up. But no it will always be about pandering to sky and 4 x OF games a season with a bullshit TV deal that no one really gives a toss about anyway. This crap set up that we have helps the OF the most and it allows them to maintain their iron grip on scottish football forever. 3rd Para, and unfortunately end of the discussion as far as it will go. So frustrating as a new set up and 2 games, home and away, would be perfect Even if the clubs put forward motions it just takes 1 out of 12 clubs to block it. With there being 2 clubs who hold the top seats at the captain's table, it ain't gonna change anytime soon 🙁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 53 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I doubt many ( any? ) of the top clubs would go to an 18 club league playing each other twice. Gives two less games and makes it less attractive to TV. Money talks and it would be a tad quieter with this arrangement. I could see a league of 26 with some sort of balanced split ( as proposed by someone at Hearts previoudly ) bring more a go-er. 2 fewer home games 4 fewer category A games A greatly reduced TV pot being split 18 ways instead of 12. An 18 team league would be financial suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 In the old league set up we had a lot of mid table , meaningless games, BUT we only played for 2 points a win. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Personally I don’t believe the lower championship teams are strong enough to play in the top level. I could predict regular double digit thrashing by the old firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Didn’t say copy it, just said follow their lead in our own unique way. Realise it wouldn’t be possible 100% but we’d be daft not to use stuff they do for the greater good of our game. Their model is the best in football mate, but their ownership model, their ability to distribute finance, their tv revenues are entirely dependent on people volume mate. I do agree with you btw, we should take learning where we can but I just don’t think much of that model would work here. but tbh, nothing works here. Hence why we should be looking to abandon Scottish football and join a proper league system 😁 nothing would please me more than seeing the GFA die. Edited January 7 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 26 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: It would be brilliant. We’d have a real purpose and a clear path. Agreed. The EFL wouldn't be interested though. Nothing in it for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, LarrysRightFoot said: I have previously suggested the apparently precious (I’m not sure it’s really the case) 4 OF games a season could be retained in some way. Say a preseason ‘curtain raiser’ at Hampden for the Old Firm cup then in the winter break the 2 ‘world super powers’ could bugger off to Australia or Canada and play each other and ‘advertise’ Scottish football. Heaven forbid another club or clubs actually develop and won the league they could eventually take one of both the OFs places in these games. As for the meaningless games thing I just don’t buy it - it infers there’s not meaningless games at the end of the season at present- which there is. However, the main point is player development and more expensive football as there may be less fear - as highlighted by David Martindale recently and numerous others including fans for years. Having attended every game just about in 60's and 70's the only thing that we hax as excitement were relegation battles. There were other seasons when we were midtable, and nothing really at stake and it did lower an already pretty low standard. St Mirren v Anybody else midtable couldn't even get a pulse going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Also did we not put a revamp suggestion forward in Covid after our demotion ? And were told to GTF ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 8 hours ago, BackOfTheNet said: It has been covered before, but no harm in discussing it again… Personally, this is what I’d like to see: 3 Main Leagues - Premiership (18 teams) - Championship (18 teams) - Conference/Another (12 teams) Below that, Highland and Lowland Leagues as is (numbers could vary). PREMIERSHIP Legue Format 18 teams playing each other twice, home and away. No split, 34 games over the season. Allows for a winter break and more opportunity to reschedule without fixture lists being too packed. European Playoffs We currently have 5 European spots: 1st = Champions League 2nd = Champions League playoffs SC Winner = Europa League playoffs 3rd = Conference League playoffs 4th = Conference League playoffs (We all know what happens if the SC winner has already got European qualification) What I would suggest, is at the end of the 34 game campaign and the SC final is done, the teams from 4th to 7th (assuming SC winner hasn’t qualified already, otherwise it would be 5th to 8th) have playoffs. Semi-finals at each home ground and final at Hampden. The winner gets the last European spot, that would normally be held for the 5th team (4th in league or 5th if SC winners already qualified) This would allow the teams to have an extra few games, would also add excitement to end of the season. Relegation 3 teams automatically relegated, no relegation playoff in the top league Participating Teams Using the current league standings of the Premiership and Championship, the 18 teams would be: Aberdeen Airdrie Celtic Dundee Dundee Utd Dunfermline Greenock Morton Heart of Midlothian Hibernian Kilmarnock Livingston Motherwell Partick Thistle Raith Rovers Rangers Ross County St. Johnstone St. Mirren CHAMPIONSHIP League Format 18 teams playing each other twice, home and away. 34 games, no split. Allows for a winter break and more opportunity to reschedule without fixture lists being too packed. Promotion Playoff Top 2 teams automatically get promoted to the Premiership. Teams 3rd to 6th go into play-offs, two legged semi finals (one at each ground) and Final at Hampden. Relegation / Relegation Play-off Bottom 2 Teams automatically relegated to Conference/Another. Team that finished 16th has two legged playoff against team that wins promotion playoffs in Conference/Another. Participating Teams Using the current league standings of the Championship and Leagues 1 and 2, the 18 teams would be: Annan Athletic Alloa Arbroath Ayr Cove Rangers Dumbarton Falkirk FC Edinburgh Hamilton Inverness CT Kelty Hearts Montrose Peterhead Queen of the South Queen’s Park Stenhousemuir Stirling Albion Spartans CONFERENCE/ANOTHER League Format 12 teams playing each other 3 times, home and away. 33 games, then split like Premiership currently has. 38 games in total, allowing teams unlikely to advance in cups some extra gate receipt opportunities. Promotion Playoff Top 2 teams automatically get promoted to the Championship. Teams 3rd and 4th go into play-offs, two legs one at each ground. The winner then has a two legged playoff against the team who finished 16th in the Championship. Relegation Bottom 2 Teams automatically relegated to Highland or Lowland Leagues to be replaced by Champions of each the Highland League and the Lowland League. Participating Teams Using the current league standings of League 2, and for the purposes of this hypothetical scenario selective teams from Highland and Lowland leagues (based mostly on who’s been in the league set up recently) the 12 teams could be: Albion Rovers Bonnyrigg Rose Brechin City Celtic B Clyde Cowdenbeath East Fife East Kilbride Elgin City Forfar Hearts B Stranraer *Celtic B and Hearts B could not be promoted, but could be relegated SUPER CUP To satisfy those complaining about lack of OF games (TV), a Super Cup between league and cup winner from previous season can be the season opener. Either one off at Hampden (like in England) or two legs like European countries do, with one at each ground. SCOTTISH CUP No change LEAGUE CUP Same group format to begin with, but knockout stages are two legs. One at each home ground, all the way to the semi finals, only the final would be played at Hampden. Means teams worrying about dropping from 38 to 34 games have the opportunity to get more games through competition progression. RESERVES I would like an official in line reserve league set up, like the EPL2. If this was in place, then B teams would not be needed and would be replaced in Conference/Another league by other teams in the pyramid. Far far too sensible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flimsy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I've said it before but the Belgian league has 16 teams with end of season playoffs for the title, Euro places and relegation. Very few meaningless matches. Belgian league is thriving on the European stage too and had three teams going for the title up to injury time last season. I would go 16 Premier league, similar sized 2nd division and regionalised below that, North, East and West. Pretty much 90% of teams in senior football would move up one or two divisions overnight so shouldn't be hard to get most clubs on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flimsy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said: Also did we not put a revamp suggestion forward in Covid after our demotion ? And were told to GTF ? Yes, but that was self interest to avoid demotion. Why haven't we raised it since? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 27 minutes ago, David McCaig said: 2 fewer home games 4 fewer category A games A greatly reduced TV pot being split 18 ways instead of 12. An 18 team league would be financial suicide. Don’t agree. Crowds would be up, smaller clubs would get more money. Standard would rise across the board. We go on a sustained winning run and we’re taking 5k plus to away games all over the country, especially if it’s a one off trip to Pittodrie for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weebroon98 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Flimsy said: I've said it before but the Belgian league has 16 teams with end of season playoffs for the title, Euro places and relegation. Very few meaningless matches. Belgian league is thriving on the European stage too and had three teams going for the title up to injury time last season. I would go 16 Premier league, similar sized 2nd division and regionalised below that, North, East and West. Pretty much 90% of teams in senior football would move up one or two divisions overnight so shouldn't be hard to get most clubs on board. Great idea and would improve the league but majority of the top league including the sheep and hibs want the OF £'s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Flimsy said: Yes, but that was self interest to avoid demotion. Why haven't we raised it since? probably because there’s no appetite for it , these same clubs that want 2 home games v old firm, hearts and hibs will still say no. we took 5,000 to Livingston. They’re not going to want to replace that with a home game v Raith Rovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flimsy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Just now, Weebroon98 said: Great idea and would improve the league but majority of the top league including the sheep and hibs want the OF £'s Finishing top six would get 4 matches vs Old Firm. Old Firm pretty much 99.9% certain to get their 4 matches too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Flimsy said: I've said it before but the Belgian league has 16 teams with end of season playoffs for the title, Euro places and relegation. Very few meaningless matches. Belgian league is thriving on the European stage too and had three teams going for the title up to injury time last season. I would go 16 Premier league, similar sized 2nd division and regionalised below that, North, East and West. Pretty much 90% of teams in senior football would move up one or two divisions overnight so shouldn't be hard to get most clubs on board. I would give this a try. I.e. a play off. Modern football is all about who had the biggest cheque book and leagues can be bought. A chance play off would help neutralise this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 12 minutes ago, colinmaroon said: Having attended every game just about in 60's and 70's the only thing that we hax as excitement were relegation battles. There were other seasons when we were midtable, and nothing really at stake and it did lower an already pretty low standard. St Mirren v Anybody else midtable couldn't even get a pulse going. There was less incentive for European spots back then. Season tickets weren’t as prevalent and it was 2 point for a win. Football as a business/industry and the customer habits have changed beyond all recognition since the 70s. The meaningless games chat is a lot of nonsense in my opinion. Every game could be argued to be meaningless as we have no chance of winning the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flimsy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Just now, Phil D. Corners said: I would give this a try. I.e. a play off. Modern football is all about who had the biggest cheque book and leagues can be bought. A chance play off would help neutralise this. It's not a one match play off, it's top six playing each other twice. Interestingly, they halve points won in the first 30 games though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Byyy The Light said: Don’t agree. Crowds would be up, smaller clubs would get more money. Standard would rise across the board. We go on a sustained winning run and we’re taking 5k plus to away games all over the country, especially if it’s a one off trip to Pittodrie for example I don’t think crowds would be up for Motherwell v Morton tbh. We may well take 5k but we will only be visiting once, as will Aberdeen and Hibs. They will go from 10 home games against the big 5 to 5z. Putting aside fact that the chances of it ever happening are zero I wouldn’t think gates would improve for a lot of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackhmfc1348 Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 9 hours ago, BackOfTheNet said: It has been covered before, but no harm in discussing it again… Personally, this is what I’d like to see: 3 Main Leagues - Premiership (18 teams) - Championship (18 teams) - Conference/Another (12 teams) Below that, Highland and Lowland Leagues as is (numbers could vary). PREMIERSHIP Legue Format 18 teams playing each other twice, home and away. No split, 34 games over the season. Allows for a winter break and more opportunity to reschedule without fixture lists being too packed. European Playoffs We currently have 5 European spots: 1st = Champions League 2nd = Champions League playoffs SC Winner = Europa League playoffs 3rd = Conference League playoffs 4th = Conference League playoffs (We all know what happens if the SC winner has already got European qualification) What I would suggest, is at the end of the 34 game campaign and the SC final is done, the teams from 4th to 7th (assuming SC winner hasn’t qualified already, otherwise it would be 5th to 8th) have playoffs. Semi-finals at each home ground and final at Hampden. The winner gets the last European spot, that would normally be held for the 5th team (4th in league or 5th if SC winners already qualified) This would allow the teams to have an extra few games, would also add excitement to end of the season. Relegation 3 teams automatically relegated, no relegation playoff in the top league Participating Teams Using the current league standings of the Premiership and Championship, the 18 teams would be: Aberdeen Airdrie Celtic Dundee Dundee Utd Dunfermline Greenock Morton Heart of Midlothian Hibernian Kilmarnock Livingston Motherwell Partick Thistle Raith Rovers Rangers Ross County St. Johnstone St. Mirren CHAMPIONSHIP League Format 18 teams playing each other twice, home and away. 34 games, no split. Allows for a winter break and more opportunity to reschedule without fixture lists being too packed. Promotion Playoff Top 2 teams automatically get promoted to the Premiership. Teams 3rd to 6th go into play-offs, two legged semi finals (one at each ground) and Final at Hampden. Relegation / Relegation Play-off Bottom 2 Teams automatically relegated to Conference/Another. Team that finished 16th has two legged playoff against team that wins promotion playoffs in Conference/Another. Participating Teams Using the current league standings of the Championship and Leagues 1 and 2, the 18 teams would be: Annan Athletic Alloa Arbroath Ayr Cove Rangers Dumbarton Falkirk FC Edinburgh Hamilton Inverness CT Kelty Hearts Montrose Peterhead Queen of the South Queen’s Park Stenhousemuir Stirling Albion Spartans CONFERENCE/ANOTHER League Format 12 teams playing each other 3 times, home and away. 33 games, then split like Premiership currently has. 38 games in total, allowing teams unlikely to advance in cups some extra gate receipt opportunities. Promotion Playoff Top 2 teams automatically get promoted to the Championship. Teams 3rd and 4th go into play-offs, two legs one at each ground. The winner then has a two legged playoff against the team who finished 16th in the Championship. Relegation Bottom 2 Teams automatically relegated to Highland or Lowland Leagues to be replaced by Champions of each the Highland League and the Lowland League. Participating Teams Using the current league standings of League 2, and for the purposes of this hypothetical scenario selective teams from Highland and Lowland leagues (based mostly on who’s been in the league set up recently) the 12 teams could be: Albion Rovers Bonnyrigg Rose Brechin City Celtic B Clyde Cowdenbeath East Fife East Kilbride Elgin City Forfar Hearts B Stranraer *Celtic B and Hearts B could not be promoted, but could be relegated SUPER CUP To satisfy those complaining about lack of OF games (TV), a Super Cup between league and cup winner from previous season can be the season opener. Either one off at Hampden (like in England) or two legs like European countries do, with one at each ground. SCOTTISH CUP No change LEAGUE CUP Same group format to begin with, but knockout stages are two legs. One at each home ground, all the way to the semi finals, only the final would be played at Hampden. Means teams worrying about dropping from 38 to 34 games have the opportunity to get more games through competition progression. RESERVES I would like an official in line reserve league set up, like the EPL2. If this was in place, then B teams would not be needed and would be replaced in Conference/Another league by other teams in the pyramid. That would be a great format Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Weebroon98 said: Great idea and would improve the league but majority of the top league including the sheep and hibs want the OF £'s see my earlier suggestion. Everyone would get something . Basically the Belgian system without the point reset. And gives everyone the number of fixtures they want Edited January 7 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie_Rules Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I know you can’t just pick and choose teams, but seeing clubs with bigger supports/stadiums in the top flight would be good, along with derbies. The likes of Dunfermline, Dundee Utd, Partick, Falkirk, Ayr. And then having derbies such as Dundee, Fife, Ayrshire etc would certainly make things more interesting. Nothing will change without the Old Firms say so though, so its a non starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrysRightFoot Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Can’t stand the financial suicide argument. The game managed fine without Rangers in the top flight for 4 seasons, us for 2, Hibs for 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said: I don’t think crowds would be up for Motherwell v Morton tbh. We may well take 5k but we will only be visiting once, as will Aberdeen and Hibs. They will go from 10 home games against the big 5 to 5z. Putting aside fact that the chances of it ever happening are zero I wouldn’t think gates would improve for a lot of clubs. If Motherwell are playing well and on a run they’d get a crowd. You can’t convince me it’s any different from Motherwell v Ross County/Livingston/Dundee twice or 3 times a season. I agree there’s no chance of it happening because people upstairs can’t see past the end of their noses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrysRightFoot Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 23 minutes ago, colinmaroon said: Having attended every game just about in 60's and 70's the only thing that we hax as excitement were relegation battles. There were other seasons when we were midtable, and nothing really at stake and it did lower an already pretty low standard. St Mirren v Anybody else midtable couldn't even get a pulse going. St Mirren v anybody just now doesn’t get anyone other than St Mirren and their oppositions fans pulses racing! Plus as I and others have pointed out there were about 3 meaningful places to play for back then now there would be 7 or 8. Edited January 7 by LarrysRightFoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 5 minutes ago, Flimsy said: It's not a one match play off, it's top six playing each other twice. Interestingly, they halve points won in the first 30 games though. Yeah. I’m actually kinda against a single match play off. But a bit if chance for a few teams is something I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim747 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Hansel said: The bum cheeks and the TV companies wouldn't part with their precious 4 glasgow derbies per year. Doesn't matter what the fans think unfortunately. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said: If Motherwell are playing well and on a run they’d get a crowd. You can’t convince me it’s any different from Motherwell v Ross County/Livingston/Dundee twice or 3 times a season. I agree there’s no chance of it happening because people upstairs can’t see past the end of their noses. No it’s not different from well v RC. Already a fixture with near zero interest. More of these types of fixtures won’t sell the league. I think you overestimate the size of these clubs - they are big enough to go in a sustained run and they simply do not have the support, they don’t exist. There are better formats but a straight 18 in Scotland isn’t one of them imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Going to chuck in the South American 2 leagues of 10 format with mid season relegation for bottom 2/ top 2 teams. I really think this would work well in Scotland. I think it would be great for majority of teams in the league and could pave the way for a 18/20 team top tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 9 minutes ago, LarrysRightFoot said: Can’t stand the financial suicide argument. The game managed fine without Rangers in the top flight for 4 seasons, us for 2, Hibs for 3. Let’s not let facts get in the way of a good soundbite though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Uniform 16 team leagues throughout the pyramid, 3 up 3 down, creates lots of fluidity between leagues. Top league of 16, play everyone twice, then split into 4 groups of 4 home and away. 36 games. Almost guarantees 4 games a season for the OF in the top group playing for the title. 2nd group of 4 likely playing for a Euro spot, bottom 4 playing to avoid relegation. Second tier, also 16 teams. An an 8/8 split after 30 games could be used to provide another 7 games, alternatively play a league cup for the division. Third tier downwards regionalised, North East, Central, South West. Champions of each league promoted automatically. 80 teams across the top 3 tiers encompasses 42 SPFL, 18 HL, 16 LL, plus 4 from EOS/WOS or opportunity for B teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 10 minutes ago, LarrysRightFoot said: Can’t stand the financial suicide argument. The game managed fine without Rangers in the top flight for 4 seasons, us for 2, Hibs for 3. the small clubs revenues dipped quite a lot. It’s not “suicide” but they won’t implement a system which results in less money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Uniform 16 team leagues throughout the pyramid, 3 up 3 down, creates lots of fluidity between leagues. Top league of 16, play everyone twice, then split into 4 groups of 4 home and away. 36 games. Almost guarantees 4 games a season for the OF in the top group playing for the title. 2nd group of 4 likely playing for a Euro spot, bottom 4 playing to avoid relegation. Second tier, also 16 teams. An an 8/8 split after 30 games could be used to provide another 7 games, alternatively play a league cup for the division. Third tier downwards regionalised, North East, Central, South West. Champions of each league promoted automatically. 80 teams across the top 3 tiers encompasses 42 SPFL, 18 HL, 16 LL, plus 4 from EOS/WOS or opportunity for B teams. split twice. First after 30 games into 2 groups of 8 then after 37 4 groups of 4 40 fixtures in total. avoids massive fixture imbalance if you are suggesting 37 games which I assume you are. They will never go for 44 Edited January 7 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackhmfc1348 Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 For everyone saying about meaningless games surely watching hearts play Kilmarnock 4 times a season and a high chance of playing them in the cup is abit boring the English championship has 24 teams (not saying Scotland should do that because that’s way to big) and their games are never meaningless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythejambo Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 4 hours ago, Sherbet said: I can assure you the old 18 team league was 5h1t as well.for hearts latterly, usually upper mid table. Couldn't challenge for the league, couldn't get relegated. If you went out the SC in the first round the season was effectively over in January as most games were meaningless Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: No it’s not different from well v RC. Already a fixture with near zero interest. More of these types of fixtures won’t sell the league. I think you overestimate the size of these clubs - they are big enough to go in a sustained run and they simply do not have the support, they don’t exist. There are better formats but a straight 18 in Scotland isn’t one of them imo. I’d argue for any format that’s not the current set up tbh. It’s killing the game slowly. I think teams like Motherwell have suffered from the malaise of the general public caused by the current set up and the dominance of the Old Firm. Granted they might not ever be the size of Hearts but they would still be a competitive stable club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said: split twice. First after 30 games into 2 groups of 8 then after 37 4 groups of 4 40 fixtures in total. The double split increases the chance of unbalanced fixtures home/away or against a particular opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: The double split increases the chance of unbalanced fixtures home/away or against a particular opponent. Reduces the risk against the 4 in your group. Would create a guaranteed imbalance against the second pot. How many game are you advocating for 44 games is too many imo 37 is a guaranteed imbalance for 7 fixtures 33 not enough games. harms revenues. if it’s 36 you play each other twice in the pits of 4 then you’d need 12 teams to give up their old firm and hearts / Aberdeen hearts fixtures. I do like this idea but I don’t think it would be approved. 40 and the double split is the sweet spot imo there are better solutions than mine tbh, however I’m trying to come up with one teams would actually vote for. Slight increase in fixtures offsetting the revenue loss Edited January 7 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 14 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Uniform 16 team leagues throughout the pyramid, 3 up 3 down, creates lots of fluidity between leagues. Top league of 16, play everyone twice, then split into 4 groups of 4 home and away. 36 games. Almost guarantees 4 games a season for the OF in the top group playing for the title. 2nd group of 4 likely playing for a Euro spot, bottom 4 playing to avoid relegation. Second tier, also 16 teams. An an 8/8 split after 30 games could be used to provide another 7 games, alternatively play a league cup for the division. Third tier downwards regionalised, North East, Central, South West. Champions of each league promoted automatically. 80 teams across the top 3 tiers encompasses 42 SPFL, 18 HL, 16 LL, plus 4 from EOS/WOS or opportunity for B teams. Problem with this set up is the 3rd group of 4. Both yourself and kimgantti have suggested this, but that 3rd group of 4 would be the meaningless games everyone is going on about. Splits create more meaningless games than an 18 team league with 10 or 11 of its positions meaning something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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