Ryan Gosling Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Do you think Csaba has control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Too early to be certain either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Too early. Edit - Damn you DH. :shakingwithrage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Not enough time has passed. Not enough crucial decisions have been made yet (signings teams etc). Having said that he appears to be in control of what he's doing at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Nope IMO. Too early to tell for sure, but nothing has happened yet to convince me he has full control. I'll believe it when I see it happening. When I see Vlads muppets sent home. When I witness the team being picked on merit. Until then, it's all talk. Good talk, but it's all talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share Posted July 18, 2008 By control I should say - in charge of team selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horse Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 How can you possibly tell after 2 friendlies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 By control I should say - in charge of team selection. I'll answer again after the Motherwell match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share Posted July 18, 2008 How can you possibly tell after 2 friendlies? How can't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Nope IMO. Too early to tell for sure, but nothing has happened yet to convince me he has full control. I'll believe it when I see it happening. When I see Vlads muppets sent home. When I witness the team being picked on merit. Until then, it's all talk. Good talk, but it's all talk. Can't believe he has full control otherwise we would not be seeing some of the Lithuanian "players" in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horse Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 How can't you? Because you don't always pick your best line up for a friendly game. Surely you need to see who plays in the first few league games, coupled with the signings he makes, before you can make a judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Can't believe he has full control otherwise we would not be seeing some of the Lithuanian "players" in the team. I tend to agree, but he's maybe just having a quick look himself to make sure they really are that rubbish. If the usual muppets are still here come the start of the season, and they are still getting games despite still playing ****e, then we'll pretty much know Csaba ain't got full control. If they are out of here, or if they get dropped when they play ****e like normal football players, then maybe we're making some progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts_crazy Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 What a truly ridiculous poll, how the feck can anybody tell at this early stage. Tell me are you really curious about this just trying to put the boot in for the sake of it? FWIW he probably isn't, do I care? Only if it affects the results. As long as he is OK with it and can work under those conditions and get results then what does it matter? It only becomes an issue if the Manager is unable to work under those conditions. Give him until January THEN redo this poll. One week.........FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts_crazy Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Can't believe he has full control otherwise we would not be seeing some of the Lithuanian "players" in the team. Don't talk pish What do you expect him to do? Tell all the Lithuanians not to bother turning up? He to see for himself who the best players are. BTW some of our Lithuanian 'players' are a million times better than some of our Scottish 'players' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_74 Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 What a truly ridiculous poll, how the feck can anybody tell at this early stage. Tell me are you really curious about this just trying to put the boot in for the sake of it? FWIW he probably isn't, do I care? Only if it affects the results. As long as he is OK with it and can work under those conditions and get results then what does it matter? It only becomes an issue if the Manager is unable to work under those conditions. Give him until January THEN redo this poll. One week.........FFS. Have to agree, talk about the redtops being sensationalist. Starting threads like this is a wee bit over the top. You must constantly have a half empty pint in your hand. Lighten up, and as the man above says, give him until Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 so far yes. He's done exactly what he said he'd do at the press conference. Hope it lasts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share Posted July 18, 2008 What a truly ridiculous poll, how the feck can anybody tell at this early stage. Tell me are you really curious about this just trying to put the boot in for the sake of it? FWIW he probably isn't, do I care? Only if it affects the results. As long as he is OK with it and can work under those conditions and get results then what does it matter? It only becomes an issue if the Manager is unable to work under those conditions. Give him until January THEN redo this poll. One week.........FFS. The fact that people have already assumed because Lithuanians are picked means he isn't in control means the poll was worth doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 What a truly ridiculous poll, how the feck can anybody tell at this early stage. Tell me are you really curious about this just trying to put the boot in for the sake of it? FWIW he probably isn't, do I care? Only if it affects the results. As long as he is OK with it and can work under those conditions and get results then what does it matter? It only becomes an issue if the Manager is unable to work under those conditions. Give him until January THEN redo this poll. One week.........FFS. We already know that interference affects results so I'd be very disappointed but unsurprised if Romanov decides to interfere yet again. Csaba has talked a good game so far, I just have a feeling its going to be another disastrous season. My predictions are usually bollox so I'm hoping thats the case yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Don't talk pish What do you expect him to do? Tell all the Lithuanians not to bother turning up? He to see for himself who the best players are. BTW some of our Lithuanian 'players' are a million times better than some of our Scottish 'players' And your telling me I'm talking pish, were you at Dunfermline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Don't talk pish What do you expect him to do? Tell all the Lithuanians not to bother turning up? He to see for himself who the best players are. BTW some of our Lithuanian 'players' are a million times better than some of our Scottish 'players' Are they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 time will tell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenbo Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I believe that he does have full control at the moment - how long this lasts though will remain to be seen, however, all the right noises are coming out of Tynie..............at long last!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFCjamieHMFC Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Can't believe he has full control otherwise we would not be seeing some of the Lithuanian "players" in the team. Burley played Lithuanians and he had full control including one of the ones your definitely on about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Burley played Lithuanians and he had full control including one of the ones your definitely on about Burley only played Jankauskas with any regularity and that was because he genuinly rated him. He played Miko a few times and IIRC Chesney hardly got a game. He also sent one home before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbles1874 Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 a week is to early but rom what he has done such the formation i belive he has got control by for how long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFCjamieHMFC Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Burley only played Jankauskas with any regularity and that was because he genuinly rated him. He played Miko a few times and IIRC Chesney hardly got a game. He also sent one home before the season started. I read post his original wrong i thought it said as csaba is still playing Lithuanians he doesn't have full control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambobrett Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I'd also say its too early to say. By the time the first 4 games of the season have passed, we should be able to tell! What I will say is that, the things that Csaba has said this past week have been very, very encouraging! If he can walk the walk as well as he can talk the talk, then I think we're in for a treat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulah Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I think he'l choose 8 players and Vlad the rest as he will never be able to keep the beak out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I am totally convinced he has full control. In the 2 games this week we tried to pass pass pass the ball at all times- it quickly became obvious to those watching that we do not have the personnel for this to be effective. Apart from 2 occassions (told to play Basso & Jose) when he took over I firmly believe Frail had full control. Christ do you think Vlad made him play Elliot up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators JKBMod 10 Posted July 18, 2008 Moderators Share Posted July 18, 2008 several off-topic posts removed, please try and stay on the topic in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilenin Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Because you don't always pick your best line up for a friendly game. Surely you need to see who plays in the first few league games, coupled with the signings he makes, before you can make a judgement. I would have thought that Korobochbollocks would have picked both teams for the friendlies - there's really no way at all to know how much autonomy Shabba has. I don't think he will have any at all, but just now it's impossible to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilenin Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Don't talk pish What do you expect him to do? Tell all the Lithuanians not to bother turning up? He to see for himself who the best players are. BTW some of our Lithuanian 'players' are a million times better than some of our Scottish 'players' I like that 'players' in in commas as though they aren't really players at all - but a million times better than who? Even Clum is better than Audrey and Number 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horse Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I would have thought that Korobochbollocks would have picked both teams for the friendlies - there's really no way at all to know how much autonomy Shabba has. I don't think he will have any at all, but just now it's impossible to say.[/QUOTE] Just as I was saying mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts_crazy Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I like that 'players' in in commas as though they aren't really players at all - but a million times better than who? Even Clum is better than Audrey and Number 28. No he's not, my 11 year old daughter is better than Clum. And I wasn't actually referring to ALL Lithuanians, clearly the 2 you mention aren't up to much (although Ksnavicious can play when he wants to). To give one example I would play Miko in front of Stewart, we need a tad more than just huff and puff and despite what many think of Miko he is actually a good player, he is still suffering from being labelled a huddy when he was getting a game every week for no reason, but if you take the blinkers off he isn't a bad wee player. Not saying that the Lithuanians are the answer BTW, I was just responding to a post that IMO suggested that they were all crap simply because they are Lithuanian. It's not just them that are crap, that's all I was trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmiyaRomanova Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I think that he will have the level of control that he needs to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lithuania Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Not 100% sure.. Games in Germany will hopefully tell us, what do you think, Penut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighalders Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Normally when anew man takes on role of manager he clears out the old and brings in his own people. Until Korobochka and Chervenkov are shown the door then Csaba has as much control as Rix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Within the first week... Laszlo has stated that we have "quantity over quality". He has stated that he will be passing a list of players to VR for consideration. Since then, we have seen one of his players from his former job arrive in Edinburgh for talks. He has stated that our better more valuable players must stay if we are to improve. For the above to be of any consequence, we need to see players come in that are not pyramid players, players that were recommended by Laszlo. We need to see him pick a competitive football team that looks to be his selection. These things take time, we have heard good things, he talks a good game, we need to be a little patient and let the clubs actions speak louder than words. Baby steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Tiresias Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I don't believe any Hearts manager since George Burley has had full 100% control on team selection. That full control - ignoring the owners suggestions - was one of the reasons why he was removed from the job. I'd be hugely surprised if Csaba has full control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I think the likely move of Elliot to ICT is another sign of Csaba influence. It was mooted for over a month that he would be going - Csaba in 7 days and he's aff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Another thread being turned into a LIth bashing exercise, even though reports suggest Miko was our best player in the first game - but some fans, for some reason will always have this racist attitude. It kind of makes it difficult for us to slam the press for it when our own fans do. Anyway, to answer the questionm, I do not know - it sounds and looks like it so far - but we will probab ly never know for certain either way, though I suspect, like every club in the world, the owner will want some say or at least voice his opinion, and I would do the same if I owned the club. And by the way, Mark McGhee did not bring his own assistant - it was part of the conditions tha Leitch was assistant, one of the things that led to Malpas leaving (as well as him being pish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 And your telling me I'm talking pish, were you at Dunfermline? I was. I thought Chesney was one of our better players and Zaluikas wasnt one of the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I was. I thought Chesney was one of our better players and Zaluikas wasnt one of the worst. How dare you suggest such a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djh83 Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 **** sake. This is not the point. Vlad will always have his input into team selection (2or3 players) just live wit it. But what's important is Csaba clearly has full control over tactics, training, preparation, motivating the players etc. Which is what we've needed for a long time now. Im feeling good bout HMFC for the first time in a wee while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I was. I thought Chesney was one of our better players and Zaluikas wasnt one of the worst. Well if that's what you really think then we will have to agree to disagree on all things football because apart from the opening few minutes Chesny was absolute murder and Zaliukas although not our worst player is still a bomb scare as far as I am concerned. No point in arguing about it because we have different opinions which is our entitlement on this board at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpjambo Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Hope Shabba has complete control but as we have witnessed, despite success, our benevolent owner will not tolerate disagreement. A leopard doesn't change it's spots. Time will tell, but I suspect Shaaba will be telt what team to play and to make it work. Or else....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Tarts 1874 Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 What a ridiculous poll and some of the posts on this thread are even more ridiculous. If you look closely (which I know is difficult for some of you!) you will see how many players got a run out during the two friendlies - how else is Csaba supposed to start forming opionions on who is worth keeping? Is he supposed to just go onto Kickback and act on the opinions of a few idiots on here? Perhaps some of you idiots expect Csaba to get on the phone to Romanov and say "Vlad, there are some "well informed" numpties on Kickback saying I should get rid of every Lithuanian from the squad, I will have to bin them all then?!" The best example of stupidity on this thread comes from a regular wrist-slasher jamborobbo who in respones to the question opines "Nope IMO", but then tells us that it is too early to tell for sure! Does this guy know how the English language works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 I love that if you dont rate any of the lithuian's your racist but if you choose to play them cause they're lithuian its not!! We could all argue till we are blue in the face about miko he is just one of those players, i think he is murder you think he's great, time will tell all i will say has any other team every declared any interest in him? Have a feeling its only a hand full of jambos who actually rate him!! As for zaliukaus we moved karipidis out wide on wednesday to make room for him, for no aparent reason. I would like to think that shabba knows berra and karipidis work together and wednesday nite just proved to him that he needs to go, if not and we see more of zaliukaus at centre back in germany and the hull game then it will be clear that shabba doesn't have full control. Finally to take 28ikaus and 29ikaus to Germany is just wasting two space's that could be filled by a couple of youngsters, both are way out of there depth and both need to be punted pronto. Just so im not called a racist we also need shot of stewart, elliot, basso, beslija....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dee Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 The question is really, has Vlad changed? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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