noskillson Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 How is this possible and for so long? There must be examples of denied penalties or do they just never happen... I'm just baffled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, noskillson said: How is this possible and for so long? There must be examples of denied penalties or do they just never happen... I'm just baffled How long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Also wonder when the last one awarded in a close game not in the last minute when you are 3 or 4 nil down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noskillson Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 According to a newspaper headline I saw.... Not since John Greg was playing..... And I remember meeting him as a player 50years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, noskillson said: According to a newspaper headline I saw.... Not since John Greg was playing..... And I remember meeting him as a player 50years ago Unless he was playing in January 2022 I think that's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, noskillson said: According to a newspaper headline I saw.... Not since John Greg was playing..... And I remember meeting him as a player 50years ago That was tongue in cheek.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, noskillson said: How is this possible and for so long? There must be examples of denied penalties or do they just never happen... I'm just baffled I'll tell you why: Referees are promoted into the top flight almost exclusively from the West Coast - Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire & Glasgow. Pick any top flight referee and they will fall into one of those 4 local associations. I think this has allowed a "West is Best" culture to develop within the refereeing body, and mistakes aren't taken seriously unless they are against Rangers or Celtic. Further, I think that by recruiting referees from areas dominated by OF fans, they are creating a heavy degree of unconcious bias - I would bet vital organs that every referee has a flash of the abuse they will recieve if they give the decision against the OF club and they're wrong, or its in any way debatable. Would you want to be abused going to the shops with your family for example? I'm certain there have been instances of windows being bricked and death threats. Rangers having not conceded a penalty at Ibrox in the league in over 2 years is a symptom of the biased culture which exists in Scottish football. You can even look at the Boyce penalty claim - karate kicked in the chest, ref 10 yards (if that) away, no pen. Review on VAR, sent to the screen - still no pen. Rangers v Livi, McCausland makes a meal out of a horrific dive, referee buys it hook line and sinker, VAR doesn't even check and there hasn't been any retrospective action for his dive. Or Willie Collum on VAR using his position to reverse Walsh's correct decision to book Cochrane for his foul on Maeda. Its all about Rangers and Celtic and **** the rest of us. Don't upset the Glasgow duoply. Referees in this country are scum. Cheating, cowardly scum that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. All we've ever asked for is impartial referees, and get one ****ing season ticket holder after another. Its a disgrace and our boards silence on trying to fix this is embarrassing. Edited November 23, 2023 by OTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 If you dont know the answer then you dont watch Scottish Football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, OTT said: I'll tell you why: Referees are promoted into the top flight almost exclusively from the West Coast - Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire & Glasgow. Pick any top flight referee and they will fall into one of those 4 local associations. I think this has allowed a "West is Best" culture to develop within the refereeing body, and mistakes aren't taken seriously unless they are against Rangers or Celtic. Further, I think that by recruiting referees from areas dominated by OF fans, they are creating a heavy degree of unconcious bias - I would bet vital organs that every referee has a flash of the abuse they will recieve if they give the decision against the OF club and they're wrong, or its in any way debatable. Would you want to be abused going to the shops with your family for example? I'm certain there have been instances of windows being bricked and death threats. Rangers having not conceded a penalty at Ibrox in the league in over 2 years is a symptom of the biased culture which exists in Scottish football. You can even look at the Boyce penalty claim - karate kicked in the chest, ref 10 yards (if that) away, no pen. Review on VAR, sent to the screen - still no pen. Rangers v Livi, McCausland makes a meal out of a horrific dive, referee buys it hook line and sinker, VAR doesn't even check and there hasn't been any retrospective action for his dive. Or Willie Collum on VAR using his position to reverse Walsh's correct decision to book Cochrane for his foul on Maeda. Its all about Rangers and Celtic and **** the rest of us. Don't upset the Glasgow duoply. Referees in this country are scum. Cheating, cowardly scum that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. All we've ever asked for is impartial referees, and get one ****ing season ticket holder after another. Its a disgrace and our boards silence on trying to fix this is embarrassing. close the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, OTT said: I'll tell you why: Referees are promoted into the top flight almost exclusively from the West Coast - Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire & Glasgow. Pick any top flight referee and they will fall into one of those 4 local associations. I think this has allowed a "West is Best" culture to develop within the refereeing body, and mistakes aren't taken seriously unless they are against Rangers or Celtic. Further, I think that by recruiting referees from areas dominated by OF fans, they are creating a heavy degree of unconcious bias - I would bet vital organs that every referee has a flash of the abuse they will recieve if they give the decision against the OF club and they're wrong, or its in any way debatable. Would you want to be abused going to the shops with your family for example? I'm certain there have been instances of windows being bricked and death threats. Rangers having not conceded a penalty at Ibrox in the league in over 2 years is a symptom of the biased culture which exists in Scottish football. You can even look at the Boyce penalty claim - karate kicked in the chest, ref 10 yards (if that) away, no pen. Review on VAR, sent to the screen - still no pen. Rangers v Livi, McCausland makes a meal out of a horrific dive, referee buys it hook line and sinker, VAR doesn't even check and there hasn't been any retrospective action for his dive. Or Willie Collum on VAR using his position to reverse Walsh's correct decision to book Cochrane for his foul on Maeda. Its all about Rangers and Celtic and **** the rest of us. Don't upset the Glasgow duoply. Referees in this country are scum. Cheating, cowardly scum that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. All we've ever asked for is impartial referees, and get one ****ing season ticket holder after another. Its a disgrace and our boards silence on trying to fix this is embarrassing. pretty much. the bit in bold is key. those who run the game in scotland could solve a lot of accusations and conspiracies by appointing neutral referees (this would need refs who live abroad - the knuckle draggers panning windows in wouldn't be able to afford the plan fare to carry out such acts abroad). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go for it 1308 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, OTT said: I'll tell you why: Referees are promoted into the top flight almost exclusively from the West Coast - Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire & Glasgow. Pick any top flight referee and they will fall into one of those 4 local associations. I think this has allowed a "West is Best" culture to develop within the refereeing body, and mistakes aren't taken seriously unless they are against Rangers or Celtic. Further, I think that by recruiting referees from areas dominated by OF fans, they are creating a heavy degree of unconcious bias - I would bet vital organs that every referee has a flash of the abuse they will recieve if they give the decision against the OF club and they're wrong, or its in any way debatable. Would you want to be abused going to the shops with your family for example? I'm certain there have been instances of windows being bricked and death threats. Rangers having not conceded a penalty at Ibrox in the league in over 2 years is a symptom of the biased culture which exists in Scottish football. You can even look at the Boyce penalty claim - karate kicked in the chest, ref 10 yards (if that) away, no pen. Review on VAR, sent to the screen - still no pen. Rangers v Livi, McCausland makes a meal out of a horrific dive, referee buys it hook line and sinker, VAR doesn't even check and there hasn't been any retrospective action for his dive. Or Willie Collum on VAR using his position to reverse Walsh's correct decision to book Cochrane for his foul on Maeda. Its all about Rangers and Celtic and **** the rest of us. Don't upset the Glasgow duoply. Referees in this country are scum. Cheating, cowardly scum that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. All we've ever asked for is impartial referees, and get one ****ing season ticket holder after another. Its a disgrace and our boards silence on trying to fix this is embarrassing. I wish to ****, you'd stop sitting on the fence🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsk1210 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 It's completely rigged. Celtic and Rangers have a huge budget compared to the rest, they don't need the referee to give them every decision as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noskillson Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 You would think that a Celtic supporting ref would love to award a penalty against them, maybe dispel the "victim" myth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 48 minutes ago, OTT said: I'll tell you why: Referees are promoted into the top flight almost exclusively from the West Coast - Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire & Glasgow. Pick any top flight referee and they will fall into one of those 4 local associations. I think this has allowed a "West is Best" culture to develop within the refereeing body, and mistakes aren't taken seriously unless they are against Rangers or Celtic. Further, I think that by recruiting referees from areas dominated by OF fans, they are creating a heavy degree of unconcious bias - I would bet vital organs that every referee has a flash of the abuse they will recieve if they give the decision against the OF club and they're wrong, or its in any way debatable. Would you want to be abused going to the shops with your family for example? I'm certain there have been instances of windows being bricked and death threats. Rangers having not conceded a penalty at Ibrox in the league in over 2 years is a symptom of the biased culture which exists in Scottish football. You can even look at the Boyce penalty claim - karate kicked in the chest, ref 10 yards (if that) away, no pen. Review on VAR, sent to the screen - still no pen. Rangers v Livi, McCausland makes a meal out of a horrific dive, referee buys it hook line and sinker, VAR doesn't even check and there hasn't been any retrospective action for his dive. Or Willie Collum on VAR using his position to reverse Walsh's correct decision to book Cochrane for his foul on Maeda. Its all about Rangers and Celtic and **** the rest of us. Don't upset the Glasgow duoply. Referees in this country are scum. Cheating, cowardly scum that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. All we've ever asked for is impartial referees, and get one ****ing season ticket holder after another. Its a disgrace and our boards silence on trying to fix this is embarrassing. Perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 I have friends and former colleagues from the time I worked with a Bedroom furniture fitting company back in the day, when any of them were fitting in central Scotland I would get a ticket for them at Tynecastle, they would all laugh at the comedy capers of our referees. One guy from Middlesbrough, said to me at a match against the sheep, “ our referees are bad , but yours are a parody of bad referees “ he still mentions it occasionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Corruption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, noskillson said: How is this possible and for so long? There must be examples of denied penalties or do they just never happen... I'm just baffled 1 hour ago, noskillson said: According to a newspaper headline I saw.... Not since John Greg was playing..... And I remember meeting him as a player 50years ago Jesus wept. How can you seemingly read that headline and even start to believe that to be true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, Armageddon said: Jesus wept. How can you seemingly read that headline and even start to believe that to be true? Peter Lawwell said it (tongue in cheek) at the Celtic AGM on Tuesday. Folk see the headline, and, unbelievably, believe it to be the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, noskillson said: According to a newspaper headline I saw.... Not since John Greg was playing..... And I remember meeting him as a player 50years ago 🤣 that was a joke made at the Celtic AGM mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busbyfth Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, noskillson said: How is this possible and for so long? There must be examples of denied penalties or do they just never happen... I'm just baffled This has been the case since the 1960s.....and probably for decades prior to that !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busbyfth Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Maybe as part of an answer/explanation - Bob Crampsey wrote a book where he stated that many referees after retiring could drink the rest of their days for free by going to certain Rangers pubs where they were always welcomed with open arms and free booze.....says it all really ! Has much changed ? (maybe more stealth now ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Sir PH said: Peter Lawwell said it (tongue in cheek) at the Celtic AGM on Tuesday. Folk see the headline, and, unbelievably, believe it to be the truth. Lawwell playing the victim card in front of his shareholders. Another "rousing speech" which no doubt got rapturous applause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) The whole OF ref thing can’t go away. It’s here until such time as it gets exposed. The reason it can’t go away is both sides involved ie the OF and the officials are as culpable as each other. The OF expect and know they are getting preferential treatment and the officials won’t stop giving preferential treatment because they know the OF are expecting it!! It’s a twisted mess of a situation. Take Kyogo when he arrived. He was obviously told he could get away with diving as the refs would favour him. Some of his antics when first here were completely theatrical. Someone pulled him to one side and said “I know we said you could dive son however don’t make it quite so obvious!!” It would take a full on investigation from the likes of “Despatches” to delve deep into it. I can imagine what they would find. A twisted relationship based on fear and influence. One side blaming the other. It’s gone in so long neither side knows how to break the relationship so it simply carries on. Status Quo has been reached. Edited November 23, 2023 by Vlad Magic Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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151 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) The biggest concern is that since the introduction of VAR they have never conceded a penalty. Only club that hasn't. Edited November 23, 2023 by 151 In the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Not even like it's close and there's a couple of teams with very little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Cause referees are well aware if they give a decision against Celtic or Rangers, it puts themselves and their families at risk. They’re a different breed in Glasgow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 The reason it is Rangers more than Celtic recently , is because Celtic are a much better team than Rangers . This keeps the “ title race “ look less farcical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: Cause referees are well aware if they give a decision against Celtic or Rangers, it puts themselves and their families at risk. They’re a different breed in Glasgow. Dramatic nonsense. It's not Belgrade or Buenos Aires. The only time a referee has came under attack was Hugh Dallas in an Old Firm game at Celtic Park, when he was pelted with coins during the game and had his windows smashed at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, noskillson said: How is this possible and for so long? There must be examples of denied penalties or do they just never happen... I'm just baffled I remember Alan McGregor rugby tackling someone to the ground in the box in his last season, blatant stonewall penalty but play on says the ref! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 51 minutes ago, 151 said: The biggest concern is that since the introduction of VAR they have never conceded a penalty. Only club that hasn't. We got one against them via VAR a couple of weeks ago. None in the league though I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, davemclaren said: Unless he was playing in January 2022 I think that's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, noskillson said: According to a newspaper headline I saw.... Not since John Greg was playing..... And I remember meeting him as a player 50years ago Looks like he went to the same shakey paw club as Tiny Wharton. So, what minute do you want your penalty in today John? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoatemyhamster Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) Livinston at Ibrox September 2019 was the last time they lost a penalty at home in the league. Dykes got sent off for Livingston at 2 1. It was a whole year previous that St Johnstone got a charity one in a 4 1 grubbing I think. When one was awarded that might have mattered? God knows! Edited November 23, 2023 by brunoatemyhamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Why is this never thrown on to Sky Sports News, well they wouldnt want to offend subscribers either would they. You can now guarantee that Aberdeen get one on Sunday that helps them stay in touch, which of course we wouldn't want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said: Cause referees are well aware if they give a decision against Celtic or Rangers, it puts themselves and their families at risk. They’re a different breed in Glasgow. which is exactly why we need to take the bulk of refereeing out of the West. Parity in who is refereeing allows for refs from well outside of the West to be drafted in and ensures much less pressure to just capitulate to giving the OF everything, actual impartiality. Our boards silence is utterly defening. It needs to be challenged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Looks like he went to the same shakey paw club as Tiny Wharton. So, what minute do you want your penalty in today John? A friend of mine from Glasgow told me his father asked Wharton who was going to win the match he was refereeing? His response was “oh the Rangers “ Guess who was one side in the match he was refereeing? 🤔 I never found out who the unfortunate other side was.😏 Edited November 23, 2023 by jamboozy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goader Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 I was astounded when I read this dossia !!! PENALTY TO RANGERS (part 2) Since our penalties post from yesterday is doing a bit of traction - we thought we’d break it down a bit more - Rangers are currently on a British record run of 67 games without conceding a penalty in the league - the world top flight record is 74 held by Barcelona in the 2011/12 - 2012/13 seasons (which is currently under investigation by Spanish FA) - Barca averaged 80% possession during that time (Rangers averaged 58% during their run) - before the current 67 game run, Rangers went 44 league games without conceding a penalty - so they have only conceded 1 penalty in their last 112 league games - Since August 2020 they have the highest penalty differential in Europe’s top 20 leagues, ie pens for minus pens against (as shown in the graph below) - Since the 20/21 season they have conceded a penalty on average every 42 league games (Celtic every 9 games) - from 2018/19 season they have a penalty differential of +43 ( Celtic are +15 for the same period) - since 2018/19 Rangers have been awarded 52 penalties and conceded 9 (Celtic have had 39 and conceded 24) - Since last season (when VAR arrived in Scotland) Rangers have had 16 penalties in the league with 0 against (Celtic have had 12 with 7 against) - They are only team in a league with VAR that has never conceded a penalty since the technology was brought in anywhere in the world - If Rangers don’t concede a league penalty before the end of this year (8 games) then they will have set a new world record - James Tavernier is now in the top 10 for the most penalties scored of all time - out of everyone on the list the Rangers captain has the highest percentage of goals from penalties Top 10 penalty takers and % of goals that are penalties (via TransferMrkt) C. Ronaldo 157 (18%) Messi 109 (14%) Totti 86 (27%) Ibrahimovic 85 (15%) Del Piero 77 (22%) Shearer 72 (18%) Ronaldinho 70 (30%) Cavani 61 (14%) Lampard 60 (20%) Tavernier 58 (48%) All reactions: 4949 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 5 hours ago, OTT said: I'll tell you why: Referees are promoted into the top flight almost exclusively from the West Coast - Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire & Glasgow. Pick any top flight referee and they will fall into one of those 4 local associations. I think this has allowed a "West is Best" culture to develop within the refereeing body, and mistakes aren't taken seriously unless they are against Rangers or Celtic. Further, I think that by recruiting referees from areas dominated by OF fans, they are creating a heavy degree of unconcious bias - I would bet vital organs that every referee has a flash of the abuse they will recieve if they give the decision against the OF club and they're wrong, or its in any way debatable. Would you want to be abused going to the shops with your family for example? I'm certain there have been instances of windows being bricked and death threats. Rangers having not conceded a penalty at Ibrox in the league in over 2 years is a symptom of the biased culture which exists in Scottish football. You can even look at the Boyce penalty claim - karate kicked in the chest, ref 10 yards (if that) away, no pen. Review on VAR, sent to the screen - still no pen. Rangers v Livi, McCausland makes a meal out of a horrific dive, referee buys it hook line and sinker, VAR doesn't even check and there hasn't been any retrospective action for his dive. Or Willie Collum on VAR using his position to reverse Walsh's correct decision to book Cochrane for his foul on Maeda. Its all about Rangers and Celtic and **** the rest of us. Don't upset the Glasgow duoply. Referees in this country are scum. Cheating, cowardly scum that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. All we've ever asked for is impartial referees, and get one ****ing season ticket holder after another. Its a disgrace and our boards silence on trying to fix this is embarrassing. Great post. 46 minutes ago, goader said: I was astounded when I read this dossia !!! PENALTY TO RANGERS (part 2) Since our penalties post from yesterday is doing a bit of traction - we thought we’d break it down a bit more - Rangers are currently on a British record run of 67 games without conceding a penalty in the league - the world top flight record is 74 held by Barcelona in the 2011/12 - 2012/13 seasons (which is currently under investigation by Spanish FA) - Barca averaged 80% possession during that time (Rangers averaged 58% during their run) - before the current 67 game run, Rangers went 44 league games without conceding a penalty - so they have only conceded 1 penalty in their last 112 league games - Since August 2020 they have the highest penalty differential in Europe’s top 20 leagues, ie pens for minus pens against (as shown in the graph below) - Since the 20/21 season they have conceded a penalty on average every 42 league games (Celtic every 9 games) - from 2018/19 season they have a penalty differential of +43 ( Celtic are +15 for the same period) - since 2018/19 Rangers have been awarded 52 penalties and conceded 9 (Celtic have had 39 and conceded 24) - Since last season (when VAR arrived in Scotland) Rangers have had 16 penalties in the league with 0 against (Celtic have had 12 with 7 against) - They are only team in a league with VAR that has never conceded a penalty since the technology was brought in anywhere in the world - If Rangers don’t concede a league penalty before the end of this year (8 games) then they will have set a new world record - James Tavernier is now in the top 10 for the most penalties scored of all time - out of everyone on the list the Rangers captain has the highest percentage of goals from penalties Top 10 penalty takers and % of goals that are penalties (via TransferMrkt) C. Ronaldo 157 (18%) Messi 109 (14%) Totti 86 (27%) Ibrahimovic 85 (15%) Del Piero 77 (22%) Shearer 72 (18%) Ronaldinho 70 (30%) Cavani 61 (14%) Lampard 60 (20%) Tavernier 58 (48%) It's beyond a joke now isn't it. Anybody out there, or on here, who thinks Scottish Football isn't fixed needs their head examined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Seen us get 3 or 4 pens at Ibrox in the last 30 years. They have probably had about 30 at Tynecastle in that time mind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, busbyfth said: Maybe as part of an answer/explanation - Bob Crampsey wrote a book where he stated that many referees after retiring could drink the rest of their days for free by going to certain Rangers pubs where they were always welcomed with open arms and free booze.....says it all really ! Has much changed ? (maybe more stealth now ?) I don't think they need to wait for retirement now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Jambo Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 There was a piece in a newspaper, possibly the Scotsman, a few years ago discussing a referee from the 1950s who, upon retiring, began delivering after-dinner speeches at Orange Lodges. His proud claim was that during his officiating tenure, Rangers never had a penalty awarded against them in any match he refereed. The article then recounted a Rangers versus Queen Of The South game he officiated. In the late stages, with Queen Of The South leading 1-0 and no sign of Rangers equalizing, the referee much to the surprise of everyone, including the Rangers players awarded two penalties to Rangers in quick succession. This decision left everyone, including the Rangers players, astonished, as there was obviously no foul in either case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 5 hours ago, OTT said: I'll tell you why: Referees are promoted into the top flight almost exclusively from the West Coast - Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire & Glasgow. Pick any top flight referee and they will fall into one of those 4 local associations. I think this has allowed a "West is Best" culture to develop within the refereeing body, and mistakes aren't taken seriously unless they are against Rangers or Celtic. Further, I think that by recruiting referees from areas dominated by OF fans, they are creating a heavy degree of unconcious bias - I would bet vital organs that every referee has a flash of the abuse they will recieve if they give the decision against the OF club and they're wrong, or its in any way debatable. Would you want to be abused going to the shops with your family for example? I'm certain there have been instances of windows being bricked and death threats. Rangers having not conceded a penalty at Ibrox in the league in over 2 years is a symptom of the biased culture which exists in Scottish football. You can even look at the Boyce penalty claim - karate kicked in the chest, ref 10 yards (if that) away, no pen. Review on VAR, sent to the screen - still no pen. Rangers v Livi, McCausland makes a meal out of a horrific dive, referee buys it hook line and sinker, VAR doesn't even check and there hasn't been any retrospective action for his dive. Or Willie Collum on VAR using his position to reverse Walsh's correct decision to book Cochrane for his foul on Maeda. Its all about Rangers and Celtic and **** the rest of us. Don't upset the Glasgow duoply. Referees in this country are scum. Cheating, cowardly scum that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. All we've ever asked for is impartial referees, and get one ****ing season ticket holder after another. Its a disgrace and our boards silence on trying to fix this is embarrassing. 👋👍straight to the point, the thing is most of the time they are far better than the teams they are playing, but they can't help themselves. The fact the media stays silent speaks volumes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Sir PH said: Dramatic nonsense. It's not Belgrade or Buenos Aires. The only time a referee has came under attack was Hugh Dallas in an Old Firm game at Celtic Park, when he was pelted with coins during the game and had his windows smashed at night. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/old-firm-referee-kevin-clancy-celtic-rangers-b2317636.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corstorphine Jambo Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Albeit it was the League Cup against Morton, Rangers did have a penalty awarded against them at Ibrox this season. And I’m sure it will come as no surprise that 7 minutes later, with them 0-1 down, Rangers were then awarded a penalty of their own! You couldn’t make up their penalty stats - but then, you don’t have to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 years without a pk against and with VAR in place is strange. The trumpet in charge of VAR seem to look for reasons to give penalties away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rory78 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Partick got a pen this year at Ibrox in cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Sir PH said: Dramatic nonsense. It's not Belgrade or Buenos Aires. The only time a referee has came under attack was Hugh Dallas in an Old Firm game at Celtic Park, when he was pelted with coins during the game and had his windows smashed at night. That's alright then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Vlad Magic said: Is this 👇 the same fellow? It seems like he has a problem keeping his feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db211833 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 7 hours ago, noskillson said: According to a newspaper headline I saw.... Not since John Greg was playing..... And I remember meeting him as a player 50years ago That was a "joke" at celtic AGM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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