Day@theraces Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Fury won before the bell rang. Money runs everything, let Francis make a good account of himself and get a big paycheck and on to Fury - Usyk. GTF Saudi Arabia and there sports washing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronstheman Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Tyson steals the first 5 rounds, did he, was knocked down in the 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Fury can't fight in December cause of that mark on his head 🤣🤣🤣 More chance of Fury Joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Agree with am everyone though..Usyk beats fury easily. I've always thought Usyk is a nightmare for Fury and that Fury's resume is overrated (Klitschko granted but Wilder is a crap boxer) but it was close because of his size and skillset. Going to be generous and say he was undercooked for this fight and he won't be as bad if he fights Usyk but he needs to be levels above tonight as Usyk is different gravy. Ngannou was a total class act throughout. Will be interesting if he sticks to boxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboRossi79 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 That’s a joke of a decision. How did he win that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 More scripted than the wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Central Belt 1874 said: Exactly how I seen it. Terrible fight. No way Fury is ready for another fight this year. Ngannou won the 8th easily and then rounds 9 and 10 they pretty much stood and looked at each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 That decision was as bent as the one Josh Taylor got against Jack Catterall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) So a former world champion boxer, in two different weight classes, gave Ngannou 7 rounds. But one of the judges gave Fury 7 rounds? How can a former world champ boxer see a fight so differently to a judge? It just doesn’t make any sense 😂 Edited October 28, 2023 by Shooter McGavin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said: More scripted than the wrestling. Vince in row 1... Just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Belt 1874 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: Ngannou won the 8th easily and then rounds 9 and 10 they pretty much stood and looked at each other. It was obvious to me Fury was going to to win after rounds 9 and 10. Laughable. That was not boxing. A pure show for the Saudis and the £££. Edited October 28, 2023 by Central Belt 1874 Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Costanza said: I've always thought Usyk is a nightmare for Fury and that Fury's resume is overrated (Klitschko granted but Wilder is a crap boxer) but it was close because of his size and skillset. Going to be generous and say he was undercooked for this fight and he won't be as bad if he fights Usyk but he needs to be levels above tonight as Usyk is different gravy. Ngannou was a total class act throughout. Will be interesting if he sticks to boxing. Signed back for the MMA world. Although I think he’s mental because he is now a massive boxing draw. More money less physical risk. He is actually a right good boxer. Size makes a huge difference in HW boxing and he has it in abundance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day@theraces Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, cazzyy said: That decision was as bent as the one Josh Taylor got against Jack Catterall. Agreed, thankfully teo set the record straight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: So a former world champion boxer, in two different weight classes, gave Ngannou 7 rounds. But one of the judges gave Fury 7 rounds? How can a former world champ boxer see a fight so differently to a judge? It just doesn’t make any sense 😂 Carl Frampton often goes against judges score cards. Haven’t seen him agree with one yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Haggis Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, cazzyy said: That decision was as bent as the one Josh Taylor got against Jack Catterall. Nothing beats that fight for an injustice and total stain on boxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, AlimOzturk said: Signed back for the MMA world. Although I think he’s mental because he is now a massive boxing draw. More money less physical risk. He is actually a right good boxer. Size makes a huge difference in HW boxing and he has it in abundance. Ah didn't know that. Agreed about his talent and financial capability in boxing. Because of tonight he would immediately be in big fights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day@theraces Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, AlimOzturk said: Signed back for the MMA world. Although I think he’s mental because he is now a massive boxing draw. More money less physical risk. He is actually a right good boxer. Size makes a huge difference in HW boxing and he has it in abundance. Usyk would have danced circles around Francis tonight. Fury was either unprepared or it was a money job. Thankfully Usyk is the type of man who won't sell himself out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 The fight was close and can see why folk folk thought Ngannu won. I saw it differently. Fury started boxing after the knockdown and knicked the rounds. Jabs mean a lot in boxing and fury out jabbed him. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Belt 1874 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, AlimOzturk said: The fight was close and can see why folk folk thought Ngannu won. I saw it differently. Fury started boxing after the knockdown and knicked the rounds. Jabs mean a lot in boxing and fury out jabbed him. Simple as that. Pretty much this. Had FN had a couple of fights in the ring before this he probably would have won that comfortably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronstheman Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: So a former world champion boxer, in two different weight classes, gave Ngannou 7 rounds. But one of the judges gave Fury 7 rounds? How can a former world champ boxer see a fight so differently to a judge? It just doesn’t make any sense 😂 Some on here see it different, like TF pinched early rounds, thats what you are dealing with .Knocked down in the 3rd but still won the round according to some experts , jesus wept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS86 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Wanted Fury to win that. He didn't IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 thanks @Carl Fredrickson for the link, that was a fix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Surprised so many people think Francis won. I think I gave Fury 7 rounds and the 10-8 for Francis so a narrow win for unimpressive Fury. Francis did well and boxed smart and compact. I couldn't honestly say he won though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, AlimOzturk said: The fight was close and can see why folk folk thought Ngannu won. I saw it differently. Fury started boxing after the knockdown and knicked the rounds. Jabs mean a lot in boxing and fury out jabbed him. Simple as that. He barely landed a telling shot all night.Also the bias in the Dazn commentary everything was - great shot Fury Ngannou walks straight through it though.In the replays it showed he was hitting the gloves. Edited October 29, 2023 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 5 hours ago, cosanostra said: Surprised so many people think Francis won. I think I gave Fury 7 rounds and the 10-8 for Francis so a narrow win for unimpressive Fury. Francis did well and boxed smart and compact. I couldn't honestly say he won though. It was a very close fight some rounds hard to score.I gave Fury the first 2 rounds after that I could definitely say 2 more but a lot where hard to score and very close.Actually said to the wife I wouldn't be surprised if they just gave it a draw. At the end of the day though it was really just an exhibition fight.Both men come away a lot richer and Ngannou gets all the plaudits and they both move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 It's not a close fight when the decision has been made before the 1st punch is thrown. Not that much leather was thrown anyway. Both men could have gone on for another 10 rounds at that pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: It was a very close fight some rounds hard to score.I gave Fury the first 2 rounds after that I could definitely say 2 more but a lot where hard to score and very close.Actually said to the wife I wouldn't be surprised if they just gave it a draw. At the end of the day though it was really just an exhibition fight.Both men come away a lot richer and Ngannou gets all the plaudits and they both move on. Agree on all points. I gave Fury 1,4 and the last 5 rounds. A lot of MMA fans seem to struggle with boxing scoring and are bleating on about robberies. It was no robbery but N'Gannou was great and had the best moment. A lot of rounds just passed him by though and those rounds add up. Was way better than I was expecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Think folk are being very generous giving Fury the last five rounds. He got battered in the eighth. Would also have given FN the last one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 You land punches, you win fights.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, been here before said: You land punches, you win fights.... That's not quite true when every round is scored individually. You could land 50 punches more than your opponent in round one and one less in every other round and you'll lose despite landing way more punches. It's not just scored on number of punches though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, been here before said: You land punches, you win fights.... Nope. Rounds are scored individually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 8 hours ago, AlimOzturk said: Carl Frampton often goes against judges score cards. Haven’t seen him agree with one yet. Says more about the judges/corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Another beamer for the boxing world. Fury said he would beat any man in a street fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Francis Ngannu is like an armoured tank. He’s a total genetic freak. Fury quickly realised that he couldn’t hurt him and he couldn’t wrestle him. It must have demoralising watching bombs just bounce off him like they was nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Boxing as straight as a Nine pound note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Mad to think that Fury was being touted by some as the best heavyweight ever. Boil his career down and you’ve got a snorefest victory against an over the hill Klitchsko and 2 victories over Wilder, who is completely lacking in any boxing fundamentals and is purely reliant on his right hand (which is monstrous to be fair). Then he gets put on his arse and scrapes by a UFC fighter 😂. Usyk would absolutely batter him. Can’t see that fight happening. I predict another ‘retirement’ might be imminent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 52 minutes ago, cazzyy said: That's not quite true when every round is scored individually. You could land 50 punches more than your opponent in round one and one less in every other round and you'll lose despite landing way more punches. It's not just scored on number of punches though. 49 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Nope. Rounds are scored individually. Well thanks for that insight gents. Using your insider knowledge you'll see that over all Fury landed a greater percentage of his punches than Ngannou particularly round 5 onward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, been here before said: Well thanks for that insight gents. Using your insider knowledge you'll see that over all Fury landed a greater percentage of his punches than Ngannou particularly round 5 onward. He did but that's not what you said. A fight is not just scored on punches landed though, there's all sorts of things taken in to consideration. Aggression, ring control and defensive qualities. Not meaning to patronise you but this is worth a read. https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/how-is-boxing-scored-points-rules-scores-and-deductions-used-by-judges-and-referees/zncunu9sov881vkqqvvqlsu67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, cazzyy said: He did but that's not what you said. A fight is not just scored on punches landed though, there's all sorts of things taken in to consideration. Aggression, ring control and defensive qualities. Not meaning to patronise you but this is worth a read. https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/how-is-boxing-scored-points-rules-scores-and-deductions-used-by-judges-and-referees/zncunu9sov881vkqqvvqlsu67 Im more than aware how fights are scored and how a British judge could score a fight differently to a Mexican who would score it different to an American and so on. Ngannou perhaps took the fight more to Fury but that doesnt necassary follow he was more aggresive (something British judges dont traditionally mark) nor does it follow that being aggressive translates as boxing well you need to be 'effectively aggresive'... I dont wish to patronise you but this is worth a read... https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/item/ever-wondered-how-professional-boxing-s-scoring-system-works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 35 minutes ago, moogsy said: Mad to think that Fury was being touted by some as the best heavyweight ever. Boil his career down and you’ve got a snorefest victory against an over the hill Klitchsko and 2 victories over Wilder, who is completely lacking in any boxing fundamentals and is purely reliant on his right hand (which is monstrous to be fair). Then he gets put on his arse and scrapes by a UFC fighter 😂. Usyk would absolutely batter him. Can’t see that fight happening. I predict another ‘retirement’ might be imminent. He 100% should just retire now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 9 hours ago, cazzyy said: That decision was as bent as the one Josh Taylor got against Jack Catterall. Jack Catterall lost fair and square the squealing from the commentators was appalling. They spent the last four rounds banging on about how great Catterall was whilst Josh was winning each round and Catterall was in survival mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I tuned in about 10.45 for the ring walks got about an hour of garbage before watching a fight between an out of shape Fury and a guy that can’t box. Following on from the Youtubers and the one sided Spencer Crawford fight boxing has been really poor this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Imagine a young 18 year old Francis Ngannu getting taught boxing by the likes of Angelo Dundee or Emmanuel Emmanuel Steward. He would have been invincible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, been here before said: You land punches, you win fights.... 28 minutes ago, been here before said: Im more than aware how fights are scored ............... We'll just leave it there. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, cazzyy said: We'll just leave it there. 👍 Ok champ. You dont win fights by landing punches, no siree. You hope the judges pick up on you just plodding forward uneffectively but looking aggresive to your average Joe watching on the telly. 👍 Edited October 29, 2023 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, John Findlay said: Boxing as straight as a Nine pound note. Yeah. Strange how Ngannu was so passive and non plussed about the verdict when he should have been going radio rental . Did he know something we didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, been here before said: Ok champ. You dont win fights by landing punches, no siree. You hope the judges pick up on you just plodding forward uneffectively but looking aggresive to your average Joe watching on the telly. 👍 Said nobody ever. 😄 I posted you a link showing how scoring works and your response was to post an almost identical link, one that I could just as easily have posted originally if it came top of my Google search. Now where's that Limmy meme about doubling down? 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, 132goals1958 said: Yeah. Strange how Ngannu was so passive and non plussed about the verdict when he should have been going radio rental . Did he know something we didn't He knew £6m was going into his bank account. (may have been $) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Said nobody ever. 😄 I posted you a link showing how scoring works and your response was to post an almost identical link, one that I could just as easily have posted originally if it came top of my Google search. Now where's that Limmy meme about doubling down? 😄 I was simply trying not to be patronising. Sorry if that sounds patronising. It came 4th on my Google search. Your shite came first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 39 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Imagine a young 18 year old Francis Ngannu getting taught boxing by the likes of Angelo Dundee or Emmanuel Emmanuel Steward. He would have been invincible. You could also see some of the work Mike Tyson had been doing with him. The hook to the body off the double jab he threw for the first couple of rounds were vintage Tyson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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