jamboinglasgow Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said: But if they're receiving significant investment they shouldn't be 3rd bottom. Chances are it's the same model as Hibs are looking at, a relatively small annual payment and a player or two. Hibs might get a player from Bournemouth, maybe one or two from Lorient etc. Nothing significant. If you read the comments from Foley, they're talking about 3rd, not 1st or 2nd which would cost them £20m+ a year to even have a chance. They're not investing those sums. Which gets to the crux of being part of the multi club model, if you are not the club at the top of group, then what is the ownership ultimately wanting from you? Most multi-club groups, its about players. Either through getting early scouting of a country to get young talents that can be signed up to main club (then funnelled back to club in that country to get game time.) Or sign players from other markets, get them into the lower club to get game time with hope some will go on to the main club. The worry can be that while the owners wont the team do well (being in Europe helps develops players) the full focus is not on the club and they will also be subservent to the main team in the group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 41 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said: £15m/annum in investments and playing/managerial staff isn’t unimaginable. Take the maroon tinted specs off. Take your tongue out of the hibs farter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStarRiot Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I think based on his quotes in the evening news article the focus would be to make Hibs the third force in Scotland. I can’t say I’m over the moon at the potential investment. Odd that Hearts were obviously not considered. Does our ownership structure put off outside investment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, RedStarRiot said: I think based on his quotes in the evening news article the focus would be to make Hibs the third force in Scotland. I can’t say I’m over the moon at the potential investment. Odd that Hearts were obviously not considered. Does our ownership structure put off outside investment? Don't we already have a billionaire benefactor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternationalJambo Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Moving away from the ridiculous debate. Is this it, the Bournemouth owner wants to take a minority stake in hibs with the intent to loan them some youth players. In the same way that he has done with some French second division team. Clearly this is all being done to benefit Bournemouth. So he’s making some public sound bites about Josh finishing 3rd. In the meantime, if hibs do find any top players they are off to Bournemouth? is that it in a nutshell, hibs become a feeder club for a team who have a significantly smaller fanbase than hearts. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Which gets to the crux of being part of the multi club model, if you are not the club at the top of group, then what is the ownership ultimately wanting from you? Most multi-club groups, its about players. Either through getting early scouting of a country to get young talents that can be signed up to main club (then funnelled back to club in that country to get game time.) Or sign players from other markets, get them into the lower club to get game time with hope some will go on to the main club. The worry can be that while the owners wont the team do well (being in Europe helps develops players) the full focus is not on the club and they will also be subservent to the main team in the group Pretty much, and if you add the potential "Auckland Knights" into the equation, a new club which will be 100% owned and in NZ where Foley has strong business ties, then they will be receiving much more focus than Hibs/Lorient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, RedStarRiot said: I think based on his quotes in the evening news article the focus would be to make Hibs the third force in Scotland. I can’t say I’m over the moon at the potential investment. Odd that Hearts were obviously not considered. Does our ownership structure put off outside investment? Didnt Ron Gordon say the same ? I very much doubt that in terms of raw cash this “investment” will get close to FOH and our beneficiaries. Undoubtedly will loan a kid or two from Bournemouth but the reality is hibs will becoming a feeder team for Bournemouth. i suspect the Gordon’s are touting for help, probably realise they’ve been chucking good money after bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RedStarRiot said: I think based on his quotes in the evening news article the focus would be to make Hibs the third force in Scotland. I can’t say I’m over the moon at the potential investment. Odd that Hearts were obviously not considered. Does our ownership structure put off outside investment? Yes of course it does However if in future we find ourselves restricted by the ceiling of being a fan owned club and we are falling behind the likes of Hibs and Aberdeen, who may find themselves a rich backer, then I have absolutely no doubt there will be a call from fans to explore significant outside investment At this point in time it’s all ifs and buts. One thing Hearts fans will definitely not accept is playing second fiddle to the Hibs or Aberdeen even if they (Hibs or Aberdeen)do find a rich investor. Edited October 31, 2023 by jbee647 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: i suspect the Gordon’s are touting for help, probably realise they’ve been chucking good money after bad That's my suspicion, they've been looking for investment and Foley has had a nibble. Perhaps they hope to eventually offload the whole thing to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gizmo said: Take your tongue out of the hibs farter. It really is embarrassing . I doubt the actual Hibs fans are this excited by it Reminds of when Gordon took over and was going to plough in game changing money ……….. Edited October 31, 2023 by Sooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvery_Moon Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, jbee647 said: Yes of course it does However if in future we find ourselves restricted by the ceiling of being a fan owned club and we are falling behind the likes of Hibs and Aberdeen, who may find themselves a rich backer, then I have absolutely no doubt there will be a call from fans to explore significant outside investment At this point in time it’s all ifs and buts. One thing Hearts fans will definitely not accept is playing second fiddle to the Hibs or Aberdeen even if they (Hibs or Aberdeen)do find a rich investor. Agreed. Maybe we shouldn't wait until we fall behind Hibs and Aberdeen and at least appear open to conversations on potential investment opportunities that may come our way. Perhaps controversial given FOH was set up to protect Hearts from what happened in 2013, however it would be foolish to shut the door completely on any potential investment opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said: Moving away from the ridiculous debate. Is this it, the Bournemouth owner wants to take a minority stake in hibs with the intent to loan them some youth players. In the same way that he has done with some French second division team. Clearly this is all being done to benefit Bournemouth. So he’s making some public sound bites about Josh finishing 3rd. In the meantime, if hibs do find any top players they are off to Bournemouth? is that it in a nutshell, hibs become a feeder club for a team who have a significantly smaller fanbase than hearts. Agree - I could see that going real wrong, real quick. Hibs would be joining a food chain that puts them nowhere near the top. Foley wouldn't give a flying **** about their success, it would squarely be about being a feeder team for Bournemouth youth players. Like, in the same way Liverpool or Man Utd loan players out with they must play if fit stipulations, I think this would remove much notion of Hibs being a serious club. Not only that, but it would be a loss of indentity. Hibs should be trying to emulate FOH - although previous attempts have been uh... not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Rudi Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 See link https://news.stv.tv/sport/hibs-targeted-for-investment-by-american-billionaire-and-las-vegas-hockey-owner-bill-foley Not sure what to make of this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Bill Foley. Apt rhyming slang for the Lochend shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db211833 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, RedStarRiot said: I think based on his quotes in the evening news article the focus would be to make Hibs the third force in Scotland. I can’t say I’m over the moon at the potential investment. Odd that Hearts were obviously not considered. Does our ownership structure put off outside investment? All Hearts supporters know the answer to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idle Talk Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, been here before said: Bill Foley. Apt rhyming slang for the Lochend shite. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, been here before said: Bill Foley. Apt rhyming slang for the Lochend shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 First thing he did was sack Gary O’Neil at Bournemouth. Hasn’t gone well. Still, I wouldn’t be against some billionaires dosh being put into our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Can't see it making much of a difference with FFP in place, if it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, been here before said: Bill Foley. Apt rhyming slang for the Lochend shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said: Moving away from the ridiculous debate. Is this it, the Bournemouth owner wants to take a minority stake in hibs with the intent to loan them some youth players. In the same way that he has done with some French second division team. Clearly this is all being done to benefit Bournemouth. So he’s making some public sound bites about Josh finishing 3rd. In the meantime, if hibs do find any top players they are off to Bournemouth? is that it in a nutshell, hibs become a feeder club for a team who have a significantly smaller fanbase than hearts. And a smaller fanbase than Hibs too IMO. Just mental. Leave them to it, it'll be a laugh. Always is with that lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 We will have similar analytics staff in place, and technical directors, to look for the right type of players who can ultimately play for AFC Bournemouth.” Sounds amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Will bring them **** all. Message ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Already a thread on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Theyll just end up with Bournemouths shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db211833 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 The ultimate aim being to promote players to be Bournemouth first team players. And Hibs sit somewhere on that path. NZ team>Hibs/Lorient>Bournemouth. Bournemouth who could well be relegated this season and attract 11k supporters. This is fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, db211833 said: All Hearts supporters know the answer to this All football fans are fickle, and there mindset can easily change after a period of bad results FOH is a fantastic concept, but things can and do change in football. In my opinion, I don’t think FOH will be for eternity, for example I read the 20-30 yo demographic of Hearts fans have not bought into the model like the older generation of Hearts fans. This would suggest the fan ownership model will have a time scale, and at some point future generations of fans may probably look for change. The “ we almost lost our club” mantra probably won’t wash with fans in years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 If a billionaire made an offer to FoH, I'd vote to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 See when Gordon took them over there was similar chat about major investment and doing this and that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Would like to see us team up with an overseas club like Bayern or Dortmund. . . . . . They'd be lucky to have us. . . .😁 . . . ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, jbee647 said: Yes of course it does However if in future we find ourselves restricted by the ceiling of being a fan owned club and we are falling behind the likes of Hibs and Aberdeen, who may find themselves a rich backer, then I have absolutely no doubt there will be a call from fans to explore significant outside investment At this point in time it’s all ifs and buts. One thing Hearts fans will definitely not accept is playing second fiddle to the Hibs or Aberdeen even if they (Hibs or Aberdeen)do find a rich investor. Aberdeen already have a rich backer in Dave Cormack. It’s not doing them much good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, db211833 said: The ultimate aim being to promote players to be Bournemouth first team players. And Hibs sit somewhere on that path. NZ team>Hibs/Lorient>Bournemouth. Bournemouth who could well be relegated this season and attract 11k supporters. This is fantastic. Exactly . If you are going to sell your soul , at least sell it to the Devil for a lot of money and fun . This is selling their souls to the wee guy that cleans his toilet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_1874 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Red Bull Gorgie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Anyone who was serious about investing in Scotland would buy Rangers. It’s the only club that would make any sense for an outside person to take control of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirlo Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: If a billionaire made an offer to FoH, I'd vote to sell. I'd vote against. I never want to see the club put at risk again. Being in the hands of the fans is the best way of ensuring the long-term future of the club. In any case the FFP rules mean that a billionaire investor would be very limited in what they could actually do. A lot of football fans don't seem to have understood the practical implications of FFP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: If a billionaire made an offer to FoH, I'd vote to sell. he owns god knows how many sports teams and plans to own loads more. It’s not exactly an Abramovic or whoever the Man City owners are. I never want us bought by anyone with zero connection to hearts. Be it Saudis, Americans or whoever. Been down that road and , well Hibs are already there and I’d be very concerned right now if I was a hibs fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, S Form said: Aberdeen already have a rich backer in Dave Cormack. It’s not doing them much good. and he’s a basket case. Has to fund a £100m stadium 🤣 and about to fund another management teams sacking. Looking forward to hearing him though. Always makes me laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said: Anyone who was serious about investing in Scotland would buy Rangers. It’s the only club that would make any sense for an outside person to take control of Either of the OF. Those are the only two with the potential to win trophies in Europe with a large ongoing investment and the turnover to allow it with FFP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said: and he’s a basket case. Has to fund a £100m stadium 🤣 and about to fund another management teams sacking. Looking forward to hearing him though. Always makes me laugh I'm not even sure that will ever happen. Its an astronomical sum of money which could be ruinining to the club if its allowed to be taken on as debt. An unserviceable milstone like our debt from the pieman era. Suspect Aberdeen will be seeing how many layers of paint can keep their stands up well into the 2030s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, OTT said: I'm not even sure that will ever happen. Its an astronomical sum of money which could be ruinining to the club if its allowed to be taken on as debt. An unserviceable milstone like our debt from the pieman era. Suspect Aberdeen will be seeing how many layers of paint can keep their stands up well into the 2030s yep. I jested. They’ll be at pittodrie until the end of time. An absolute hole. Paying fortunes every year to keep it from falling down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said: Either of the OF. Those are the only two with the potential to win trophies in Europe with a large ongoing investment and the turnover to allow it with FFP. attracting these players good enough when they’ll be playing in a Scottish league is their problem. They’ll never get the standard of players to win in Europe. The days of Gascoignes, Butchers, Larsons, Sutton’s etc are over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said: attracting these players good enough when they’ll be playing in a Scottish league is their problem. They’ll never get the standard of players to win in Europe. The days of Gascoignes, Butchers, Larsons, Sutton’s etc are over They could, Rangers went to a Final recently with a fairly average squad by European standards. Players who are good enough to improve them in Europe will come if the money is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, OTT said: I'm not even sure that will ever happen. Its an astronomical sum of money which could be ruinining to the club if its allowed to be taken on as debt. An unserviceable milstone like our debt from the pieman era. Suspect Aberdeen will be seeing how many layers of paint can keep their stands up well into the 2030s I'm not even sure a multi-club owning Billionaire will get them a new stadium! even a 15,000 seater these days, and a fairly basic St.Mirren style one, will be upwards of what £30-40m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 It would take millions to split the arse cheek's and X10 for a club outwith the arse cheek's to win the league and that's including getting past the referee's It's not happening, the odd cup win every 10 years is about it for us and the others Our model hasn't even produced a line of academy player's to sell on in nearly 10 year's of FoH and The Budge administration nor won any silverware Mediocrity average Joe's I'm afraid but we must reach for the star's, roll on Sunday we're due a cup win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, RustyRightPeg said: First thing he did was sack Gary O’Neil at Bournemouth. Hasn’t gone well. Still, I wouldn’t be against some billionaires dosh being put into our club. We've had millions of billionaire's cash in the last few years! The hibs thing's brilliant though, I've had my cousin telling me it was the city group for a couple of months. Bournemouth - they're going to be a feeder for Bournemouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 What could possibly go wrong with taking an American 78 year old's cash? He'll probably live forever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 hours ago, RedStarRiot said: Does our ownership structure put off outside investment? Hasn't it happened already? I'm sure I read a while back that there was an unnamed investor who approached the FOH with an intention of investing in the club and we turned them down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 30/10/2023 at 22:09, ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS said: Imagine having more fans and a bigger stadium than the club that owns your sorry arses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoatemyhamster Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Tbh, If Billionaires are looking to buy into the SPFL, then let Hibs take a wee Billionaire. Plenty bigger fish in the sea, and they'd be guzumped as soon as a bigger one arrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 hour ago, 1971fozzy said: he owns god knows how many sports teams and plans to own loads more. It’s not exactly an Abramovic or whoever the Man City owners are. I never want us bought by anyone with zero connection to hearts. Be it Saudis, Americans or whoever. Been down that road and , well Hibs are already there and I’d be very concerned right now if I was a hibs fan. I was talking in general, not specifically this guy. The point I'm making is that fan ownership is not some sort of tenet to always hold on to for me. I respect that that might be a minority viewpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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