Israel and Palestine

[Diadora Van Basten]

1 hour ago, Spellczech said:

I still wonder if the far left in the party might stage a coup on Starmer if he won an election and get JC, the 1950s Commie in by the back door (an act which would upset all religions of course)

I hope so it would be good if the Labour Party could put forward a centrist leader who didn’t turn out to be a war monger. 

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

Is a left wing extremist and a right wing extremist equal in  their extreme views but just opposite?

If not why not?

[Japan Jambo]

3 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I mean, the Taliban’s Twitter account is praising Owen Jones tonight

 

Best have a look at the algorithm, needs a wee tweak I think.

[Jim_Duncan]

9 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

That's different though, as Hamas are good guys according to the terrorist sympathisers on here.

 

 

8 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Evidence of this plz or post a retraction. 

 

 

8 hours ago, Diadora Van Basten said:

I am now on the side of The Taliban as well.

 

[ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS]

2 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

Early morning shots fired

 

[Jim_Duncan]

Just now, ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS said:

 

Posting from the bog gives that a double meaning, Smithee. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

8 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Evidence of this plz or post a retraction. 

Go and check posts yourself or ask DVB. His posts a few pages back. 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Go and check posts yourself or ask DVB. His posts a few pages back. 

 

So none then.

 

Just your usual made up shite. 

 

As you were. 

[il Duce McTarkin]

'Mon the Hamas.

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

That’s what I mean about Corbyn. He’s got a talent for making himself look like a walking peace treaty when actually his views are highly problematic.

 

For what it’s worth, I’ve got big problems with Israel’s approach to this crisis. Thoroughly uncomfortable with their tactics and levels of aggression - but I also accept that the situation is really nuanced and complicated.

 

Which brings me to Owen Jones. A more narcissistic, simplistic student journalist you will barely find anywhere. Zero talent, no genuine principles and zero credibility. He’s an oppression bandwagon jumper.

Jones has been savaged and I mean savaged on X for his views about this issue . Great ! 

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I mean, the Taliban’s Twitter account is praising Owen Jones tonight

Ffs turkeys voting Xmas 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 hours ago, Diadora Van Basten said:

He also had Norman Finkelstein on his show an expert on the conflict who has been very critical of Israel.

I really like Norman . He’s level headed , calm and measured , unlike Jones 

[JudyJudyJudy]

😂

[JudyJudyJudy]

😂

Edited November 21 by JudyJudyJudy

[doctor jambo]

13 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

😂

Where jones is coming from, is a good place .

You can be against Hamas, and also against bombing people with despicable views.

the views held by many people around the world are awful as I see it, but it doesn’t mean I think it’s OK for them to be bombed out of existence .

[Boab]

15 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Where jones is coming from, is a good place .

You can be against Hamas, and also against bombing people with despicable views.

the views held by many people around the world are awful as I see it, but it doesn’t mean I think it’s OK for them to be bombed out of existence .

Well, quite, Doc.

The Taliban have been mentioned and they are an example of a government whose views are abhorrent to many people and the shit bombed out of them for many years and are now back in power.

Geographically different to what’s happening in Israel/ Palestine at the moment but a lesson surely that force won’t solve the problem. 
In the latest, alarming, development, Yeman’s Houthis have hijacked a cargo ship in the Med. Iran, as you would expect, are trying to distance themselves but have their MO all over it. Interesting to see the yanks response. Especially after the many attacks on their bases in the region.

A very worrying escalation.

[OBE]

9 minutes ago, Boab said:

Well, quite, Doc.

The Taliban have been mentioned and they are an example of a government whose views are abhorrent to many people and the shit bombed out of them for many years and are now back in power.

Geographically different to what’s happening in Israel/ Palestine at the moment but a lesson surely that force won’t solve the problem. 
In the latest, alarming, development, Yeman’s Houthis have hijacked a cargo ship in the Med. Iran, as you would expect, are trying to distance themselves but have their MO all over it. Interesting to see the yanks response. Especially after the many attacks on their bases in the region.

A very worrying escalation.

 

Southern Red sea, naw?

 

Helicopter used to deploy the hijackers onto it's flat deck...

Edited November 21 by OBE

[Boab]

18 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

Southern Red sea, naw?

 

Helicopter used to deploy the hijackers onto it's flat deck...

Sorry, you’re right. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

45 minutes ago, Boab said:

Well, quite, Doc.

The Taliban have been mentioned and they are an example of a government whose views are abhorrent to many people and the shit bombed out of them for many years and are now back in power.

Geographically different to what’s happening in Israel/ Palestine at the moment but a lesson surely that force won’t solve the problem. 
In the latest, alarming, development, Yeman’s Houthis have hijacked a cargo ship in the Med. Iran, as you would expect, are trying to distance themselves but have their MO all over it. Interesting to see the yanks response. Especially after the many attacks on their bases in the region.

A very worrying escalation.

the yanks will probably sink it. Maybe they should 

[Francis Albert]

11 hours ago, Howdy Doody Jambo said:

Is a left wing extremist and a right wing extremist equal in  their extreme views but just opposite?

If not why not?

I am not sure that left wing and right wing have much meaning in this context. Are  Hamas and its backers in Iran  left or right wing? This oubreak was triggered by a Hamas atrocity in Kibbutzes, possibly about the nearest any society or economy comes to being socialist. Where do the Ayatollahs and Netatanyahoo sit in the left/ right continuum?

Edited November 21 by Francis Albert

[Nookie Bear]

2 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

Where jones is coming from, is a good place .

You can be against Hamas, and also against bombing people with despicable views.

the views held by many people around the world are awful as I see it, but it doesn’t mean I think it’s OK for them to be bombed out of existence .

 

Jones is a strange one. Has some worthwhile opinions but is such an insufferable smug pr1ck that he is instantly dislikeable.

 

Also seems to worry more about being proved right than the lives of anyone involved in this conflict. I'll be honest, it looks like he is loving this carnage as it backs up his beliefs.

 

In his favour, he doesn't shirk away from responding online 🤷‍♂️

[Spellczech]

1 hour ago, doctor jambo said:

Where jones is coming from, is a good place .

You can be against Hamas, and also against bombing people with despicable views.

the views held by many people around the world are awful as I see it, but it doesn’t mean I think it’s OK for them to be bombed out of existence .

I dunno - people like Jones who talk too much about this are inevitably going to be claimed by one side as one of their own or by the other to be an enemy of them.... Far too many people in the World. I don't see the point in keeping the evil ones. I have little sympathy for the adults who support Hamas then when it brings bombs raining down they start crying about their babies - same babies Hamas encourages them to have so they can grow up to be good Hamas supporters (as per Fauda). It is just another form of human shield, like the 200 Israelis, except these ones are their own kids... 

 

To me the leaderships of both sides are despicable people, full of hate and murderous throughts.

 

The only true innocents are the kids who have not yet been poisoned by the hate of their parents. What future for them unless the natural course be allowed to run? There are a lot of adults and indoctrinated youth out there that are preventing this area ever finding peace. Any adult who teaches hate to their child is culpable, and I simply don't care about them...

 

The Middle East is a hellhole still stuck in the Middle Ages as far as societal development goes. Most modern thing there is the weapons they've gotten hold of...

 

I don't see why anyone is taking sides with either the Arabs or Jews in this problem. Some people will (wrongly) claim that it is a problem of our making, but that is just propaganda, just like the daily updates giving "more details" about 7th October atrocities and all the wailing about babies...I find it offensive that these people and their various supporters want to wage a propaganda war to try to involve everyone else on the planet, when there simply are no good guys except the under 5s, and all the rest are bad guys best left to it...I won't support either side. War is the breakdown of society and decency, not the defence of a culture. Innocents die in wars - it has always been so. Those are the lives I pity but other than small gestures like Egypt taking the 39 intensive care babies yesterday there is not much that can be done for them without joining in the madness.

 

We are all sefish effers, so let's just do it peacefully...

 

[Dennis Denuto]

14 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

$100m per year. Qatar also funds Hamas including the apartments it allows Hamas leaders, reckoned to be worth $11b, to live in luxury.

Hamas leaders playing Western people like idiots and yet some lap it up.

That's different though, as Hamas are good guys according to the terrorist sympathisers on here.

Condemning Israel's actions does not mean you are pro Hamas.

 

When the UK were dealing with terrorists in NI, or any governments around the world, they don't just go and bomb the crap out of towns and cities killing thousands of civilians.

 

Nobody on here is pro Hamas, although you do seem strangely passionate about killing people in Gaza??

[Shooter McGavin]

Over 6 weeks since the Hamas attack, and folk still can’t get their head around he fact that you can both have total disdain for what Hamas done, whilst also thinking what Israel are doing is mental.

 

I’ll check-in again in a few weeks to see if that’s allowed yet…

 

 

Edited November 21 by Shooter McGavin

[Boab]

8 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Over 6 weeks since the Hamas attack, and folk still can’t get their head around he fact that you can both have total disdain for what Hamas done, whilst also thinking what Israel are doing is mental.

 

I’ll check-in again in a few weeks to see if that’s allowed yet…

 

 

It’s always been allowed to have that opinion. The fact some can’t get that into their heads, gives you an insight to what’s going on in there !

It ain’t much !

[il Duce McTarkin]

2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Jones is a strange one. Has some worthwhile opinions but is such an insufferable smug pr1ck that he is instantly dislikeable.

 

Also seems to worry more about being proved right than the lives of anyone involved in this conflict. I'll be honest, it looks like he is loving this carnage as it backs up his beliefs.

 

In his favour, he doesn't shirk away from responding online 🤷‍♂️

 

1 hour ago, Spellczech said:

I dunno - people like Jones who talk too much about this are inevitably going to be claimed by one side as one of their own or by the other to be an enemy of them.... Far too many people in the World. I don't see the point in keeping the evil ones. I have little sympathy for the adults who support Hamas then when it brings bombs raining down they start crying about their babies - same babies Hamas encourages them to have so they can grow up to be good Hamas supporters (as per Fauda). It is just another form of human shield, like the 200 Israelis, except these ones are their own kids... 

 

To me the leaderships of both sides are despicable people, full of hate and murderous throughts.

 

The only true innocents are the kids who have not yet been poisoned by the hate of their parents. What future for them unless the natural course be allowed to run? There are a lot of adults and indoctrinated youth out there that are preventing this area ever finding peace. Any adult who teaches hate to their child is culpable, and I simply don't care about them...

 

The Middle East is a hellhole still stuck in the Middle Ages as far as societal development goes. Most modern thing there is the weapons they've gotten hold of...

 

I don't see why anyone is taking sides with either the Arabs or Jews in this problem. Some people will (wrongly) claim that it is a problem of our making, but that is just propaganda, just like the daily updates giving "more details" about 7th October atrocities and all the wailing about babies...I find it offensive that these people and their various supporters want to wage a propaganda war to try to involve everyone else on the planet, when there simply are no good guys except the under 5s, and all the rest are bad guys best left to it...I won't support either side. War is the breakdown of society and decency, not the defence of a culture. Innocents die in wars - it has always been so. Those are the lives I pity but other than small gestures like Egypt taking the 39 intensive care babies yesterday there is not much that can be done for them without joining in the madness.

 

We are all sefish effers, so let's just do it peacefully...

 

 

Two decent posts.

 

The below is shamelessly lifted from an episode of M*A*S*H.

 

 

Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war,

and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.

 

Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?

 

Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?

 

Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.

 

Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them — little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.

[XB52]

2 hours ago, Dennis Denuto said:

Condemning Israel's actions does not mean you are pro Hamas.

 

When the UK were dealing with terrorists in NI, or any governments around the world, they don't just go and bomb the crap out of towns and cities killing thousands of civilians.

 

Nobody on here is pro Hamas, although you do seem strangely passionate about killing people in Gaza??

It's the same garbage repeated day after day on here. If you detest what the israelis are doing you must support the actions of Hamas. If you support the right of Palestinians to live in their own country, you support Hamas. It's pure Daily Mail crap

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 hours ago, Dennis Denuto said:

Condemning Israel's actions does not mean you are pro Hamas.

 

When the UK were dealing with terrorists in NI, or any governments around the world, they don't just go and bomb the crap out of towns and cities killing thousands of civilians.

 

Nobody on here is pro Hamas, although you do seem strangely passionate about killing people in Gaza??

Actually, we have one who said the only evil was Israel so no condemnation of Hamas from him.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

27 minutes ago, XB52 said:

It's the same garbage repeated day after day on here. If you detest what the israelis are doing you must support the actions of Hamas. If you support the right of Palestinians to live in their own country, you support Hamas. It's pure Daily Mail crap

The problem comes when people start being simplistic. It’s fine and legitimate to call for a ceasefire, but then what? None of your attention seeking arseholes like Owen Jones ever deal with the matter of what comes next. Or in short, what value a ceasefire is to Israel if Hamas just go back to their old tricks.

 

All sides are blame for the situation festering as it has for many years but the fact is, October 7 was so extreme that simply saying ‘right, everyone stop fighting now’ is, well…the kind of poundshop commentary you get from Owen Jones, sat in his London apartment thousands of miles away.

[Jim_Duncan]

48 minutes ago, XB52 said:

It's the same garbage repeated day after day on here. If you detest what the israelis are doing you must support the actions of Hamas. If you support the right of Palestinians to live in their own country, you support Hamas. It's pure Daily Mail crap

Ditto if you criticise the Palestinians for celebrating with/as Hamas for the initial attack; you’re suddenly a right-wing Zionist baby killer. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

19 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

The problem comes when people start being simplistic. It’s fine and legitimate to call for a ceasefire, but then what? None of your attention seeking arseholes like Owen Jones ever deal with the matter of what comes next. Or in short, what value a ceasefire is to Israel if Hamas just go back to their old tricks.

 

All sides are blame for the situation festering as it has for many years but the fact is, October 7 was so extreme that simply saying ‘right, everyone stop fighting now’ is, well…the kind of poundshop commentary you get from Owen Jones, sat in his London apartment thousands of miles away.

Ceasefire is only good if it leads to something permanent and tangible. There are no signs that any negotiation for long term solution are close or even bring discussed. 

I'm sure Jones, XB52 and others will lay blame firmly on Israel side but difficult to negotiate with organisation who want to wipe you from face of earth.

[Malinga the Swinga]

55 minutes ago, XB52 said:

It's the same garbage repeated day after day on here. If you detest what the israelis are doing you must support the actions of Hamas. If you support the right of Palestinians to live in their own country, you support Hamas. It's pure Daily Mail crap

If you bothered to look back, you would see the posts where Israel only evil in this. That would require you to open your eyes though and your are far too lazy to do that.

Maybe Palestinians should join with others and rebel against Hamas, demand new elections, ask for Egyptian help in getting rid of them as if they're so keen to have peace, presumably they'd be happy to accept help from other Arab countries who have normalised relations with Israel.

Good to see you get the Daily Mail in though, you can't manage to post without mentioning them or 'right wing'. It's all you have you.

[TallPaul]

Has Humza not yet called an end to this conflict?

[JudyJudyJudy]

29 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Has Humza not yet called an end to this conflict?

[Jim_Duncan]

20 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Maybe he can scoot about Israel and ask people to stop shooting. 

[Diadora Van Basten]

Andrew Marr and Israel envoy to the UK interview. 
 

Main points:

 

People in the UN don’t know how international law works

Hamas is using Shifa hospital as it’s headquarters 

Hamas is preventing babies leaving in incubators 

Hostages were held at Shifa

Similarities between Britain fighting Nazi Germany

Children of Gaza go to camps to be educated to murder Jews

Marches in London called for Jihad

A two state solution is not possible 

Abbas pays for slays

Children of Gaza need to be educated not to to murder Jews

 

Notice Andrew Marr does not challenge her on any of the above

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

9 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said:

Andrew Marr and Israel envoy to the UK interview. 
 

Main points:

 

People in the UN don’t know how international law works

Hamas is using Shifa hospital as it’s headquarters 

Hamas is preventing babies leaving in incubators 

Hostages were held at Shifa

Similarities between Britain fighting Nazi Germany

Children of Gaza go to camps to be educated to murder Jews

Marches in London called for Jihad

A two state solution is not possible 

Abbas pays for slays

Children of Gaza need to be educated not to to murder Jews

 

Notice Andrew Marr does not challenge her on any of the above

 

 

She's a dangerous lunatic.

 

Mind you that utter tripe she's spouting is old school Likud headbangery

[Diadora Van Basten]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

She's a dangerous lunatic.

 

Mind you that utter tripe she's spouting is old school Likud headbangery

I have read The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson and she would definitely score high on it particularly for being manipulative and lacking empathy.

[Gundermann]

6 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

I am not sure that left wing and right wing have much meaning in this context. Are  Hamas and its backers in Iran  left or right wing? This oubreak was triggered by a Hamas atrocity in Kibbutzes, possibly about the nearest any society or economy comes to being socialist. Where do the Ayatollahs and Netatanyahoo sit in the left/ right continuum?

 

As far as I can see, all the bampots in that region are conservative/ right-wing/ nationalist - be it Netanyahu, Hamas or the theocrats in Iran. None of them would have any truck with socialism or secularism.

 

Meanwhile, those who see no benefit in just killing more people are painted as extremist...

[Jim_Duncan]

48 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said:

Andrew Marr and Israel envoy to the UK interview. 
 

Main points:

 

People in the UN don’t know how international law works

Hamas is using Shifa hospital as it’s headquarters 

Hamas is preventing babies leaving in incubators 

Hostages were held at Shifa

Similarities between Britain fighting Nazi Germany

Children of Gaza go to camps to be educated to murder Jews

Marches in London called for Jihad

A two state solution is not possible 

Abbas pays for slays

Children of Gaza need to be educated not to to murder Jews

 

Notice Andrew Marr does not challenge her on any of the above

 

 

 

37 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

She's a dangerous lunatic.

 

Mind you that utter tripe she's spouting is old school Likud headbangery

 

33 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said:

I have read The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson and she would definitely score high on it particularly for being manipulative and lacking empathy.

She looks a goer, mind. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Jim_Duncan said:

Maybe he can scoot about Israel and ask people to stop shooting. 

 

[Spellczech]

2 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

It passed! So I guess that is the problem solved and the war is over...

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

It passed! So I guess that is the problem solved and the war is over...

well heres hoping he shuts his deckin gob about it now and gets on with the day job 

[Nucky Thompson]

2 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

It passed! So I guess that is the problem solved and the war is over...

That's it, down arms, the shortbread senate has spoken 

[Spellczech]

Just now, JudyJudyJudy said:

well heres hoping he shuts his deckin gob about it now and gets on with the day job 

You do wonder if it is all to distract from Matheson's expenses scandal...Or just people with not enough to do, trying to pretend they have more power and influence than they actually have?

[Footballfirst]

3 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

If you bothered to look back, you would see the posts where Israel only evil in this. That would require you to open your eyes though and your are far too lazy to do that.

I would invite you to to do likewise and reproduce the "Israel only evil" post.

 

I did so a few pages back and posted the original post by DVB, to which you reacted.  It didn't mention the word "evil", which appears to be your own creation or misrepresentation of what was said.

 

Your have also repeated your claims about Hamas sympathisers (plural) on this thread. You directed me to DVB's post as an example and ignored subsequent request for names. Now who are the others?

[il Duce McTarkin]

Yay Hamas.

[JudyJudyJudy]

40 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

You do wonder if it is all to distract from Matheson's expenses scandal...Or just people with not enough to do, trying to pretend they have more power and influence than they actually have?

Both 

[WorldChampions1902]

Netanyahu has supported Hamas for years. In full knowledge of what they represent.

 

The Israeli Intelligence Services are some of the most successful on the planet.

 

Perversely, Hamas were able to perpetrate their outrageous attack on Israeli civilians on 7 October, with relative impunity. 

 

Consequently, the Israelis now have justification (seemingly) for bombing Palestinian civilians into oblivion.

 

Join some dots. (With apologies to the many on here who already have).

 

Edited November 21 by WorldChampions1902

[Malinga the Swinga]

20 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I would invite you to to do likewise and reproduce the "Israel only evil" post.

 

I did so a few pages back and posted the original post by DVB, to which you reacted.  It didn't mention the word "evil", which appears to be your own creation or misrepresentation of what was said.

 

Your have also repeated your claims about Hamas sympathisers (plural) on this thread. You directed me to DVB's post as an example and ignored subsequent request for names. Now who are the others?

8th November 11.02. You are correct. What he said was there is good and bad in conflict and only Israel is bad. So basically you are jumping up and down about bad and evil. To clarify, he didn't state Hamas was bad, just good old Israel. I note you aren't disputing he saw Hamas as good. That wouldn't suit your narrative though, so you have casually ignored it, much like those who parade on support of Palestine have casually ignored the Israeli deaths.

You are defending the undefendable, but you don't care, you are just trying to appear relevant.

As for other point, I'm sure if you spend the rest of the week scrolling through the thread, god knows your pedantic enough to do so, you'll find them lurking about with their support of calling Jews subhuman (oh he was misquoted, oh he never realised the context, oh, it is just some Jews, oh stop being so sensitive), ignoring the deaths on October 7th, believing Hamas when it says they don't target civilians, they believe Hamas when it says it didn't kill babies (one poster won't believe that unless he gets to watch the videos, yes, he is that sick), they believe Hamas when it says they don't shelter behind schools or hospitals, they believe Hamas when it says it doesn't tunnel under hospitals, they believed Hamas when it said Israel bombed a hospital (oops, they got that one wrong but don't worry, they just ignored the truth when it came out and pretended it never happened) and that the only thing stopping peace in the region is Israel's insistence that they aren't all wiped out.

Now I feel I have exhausted my patience with your virtue signalling so I'll desist from typing more.

If I see you misquote one word, when the context is the same though, I'll remember to come on here and point it out to you, although it doesn't change what was meant.

Have a good night.