Unknown user Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said: Good job that pumping under age groupies was acceptable when David Bowie was around. Brand made a living being a sleazy comic and playing up to his uber sexualised lifestyle but until it's proven in court he's a rapist then I don't think it's right to label him as one. I haven't seen many, if any, labeling him a rapist to be fair. A sleazy sexual predator maybe, but that's an opinion you can form from his words alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Sooks said: The conspiracy theory stuff is so obviously an attempt at masking and diverting attention from his behaviour If anyone is interested in conspiracy theories though , this is an essential read in my opinion https://nymag.com/news/features/conspiracy-theories/operation-mind****/ I first learned about it after seeing it mention in the absolutely brilliant “ Cant Get You Out Of My Head “ on IPlayer which I would encourage people to watch too life advice from a poster who blows a gasket every other day at that Celtic sympathiser on the terrace that’s got a coded hail hail in his username no thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 28 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: Didn't know about the Beatles being dodgy. Doesn't surprise me though. We just decide who we like and who we don't. Those we don't are fair game it appears. When they were doing their American tours, hundreds of "teenage" girls would be offered to them every night, but they got sick of having sex with them, so resorted to other stuff. Could be total bullshit though, but I could probably find the actual quote from Lennon if I could be arsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) DP for some reason Edited September 26, 2023 by Lovecraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) Got to love his please make me money on Rumble chat Now a high profile begging ******* Edited September 26, 2023 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: When they were doing their American tours, hundreds of "teenage" girls would be offered to them every night, but they got sick of having sex with them, so resorted to other stuff. Could be total bullshit though, but I could probably find the actual quote from Lennon if I could be arsed. apparently Nikki Sixx got similarly bored with sex with the groupies but offered to consume drugs via their intimate parts which apparently plenty agreed to (assuming they weren’t co-erced / drugged / and all the caveats needed these days) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 6 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Why do you think the junior doctors and nurses are going on strike? It's got **** all to do with pay and conditions, and everything to do with not being brown-enveloped enough for the excess deaths cover up. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 51 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: DP for some reason Wouldn't put it past them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 The cover of Private Eye made me smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 2 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: life advice from a poster who blows a gasket every other day at that Celtic sympathiser on the terrace that’s got a coded hail hail in his username no thanks Aw ……………. is he your wee mate ? 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 53 minutes ago, been here before said: The cover of Private Eye made me smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 40 minutes ago, Sooks said: Aw ……………. is he your wee mate ? 😄 not sure why you would think that mate - it’s more your exasperated (over)reaction that caught my attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: not sure why you would think that mate - it’s more your exasperated (over)reaction that caught my attention Oh OK . Probably best to pop you on the old ignore troll weirdo list yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sooks said: Oh OK . Probably best to pop you on the old ignore troll weirdo list yeah oh no not the “ignore” button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: oh no not the “ignore” button Sorry ………. I probably would not have bothered but for the over sized emoji stuff and the fact you do not actually say any thing of any worth or value in any conversation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: Sorry ………. I probably would not have bothered but for the over sized emoji stuff and the fact you do not actually say any thing of any worth or value in any conversation by all means highlight my total lack of value to anything but criticising my new assembled emoji squad is not ok Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarhead Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said: Didn't know about the Beatles being dodgy. Doesn't surprise me though. We just decide who we like and who we don't. Those we don't are fair game it appears. I just take it as read now that if someone was famous in the 70’s there is a high chance they were a serial sex pest 🤷♂️ Interesting point though. Loved Bowie’s music so prepared to look the other way. Brand’s act makes my toes curl so happy to see him crucified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Ray Gin said: It's not fair to say that David Bowie was pumping under age groupies either then, as I don't believe that ever went to court. Nor did Jimmy Savile. Innocent until proven guilty, say some! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 25/09/2023 at 17:26, Jeffros Furios said: What a load of shite .. You watched more than me then 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Now is it going ? Is this my hill ? …….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, I P Knightley said: Nor did Jimmy Savile. Innocent until proven guilty, say some! yes using the most extreme example adds great insight into a debate remember that big conspiracy theory fuelled by conspiracy nut jobs like John Lydon that there was not only something very sinister about savile but also that he was protected and to expose him would have serious ramifications - real downtown rabbit hole stuff fortunately we had trusted media figures like Esther Rantzen to reassure us how fantastic uncle jimmy was and how he was exactly the same great guy off the screen as he was on it that was until through some incredible fluke of statistics yet another big conspiracy theory turned out to be the actual truth at which time aunty Esther and the likes started slithering and sliding to try to distance themselves from their previous comments and now tell us how they never really knew uncle jimmy at all 😔 Edited September 27, 2023 by MoncurMacdonaldMercer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 good to see brand is still broadcasting on YouTube despite being demonetised will no doubt be part of his grift as he does try to entice viewers over to rumble and to support his channel - uses the phrase “if it’s within your means” - clever grifting there as it reassures the conspiracy nut jobs that they’re under no pressure to contribute and that he’s concerned that they don’t over-stretch their finances 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, god knows how many others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Every grifter needs a steady stream of the gullible and hard of thinking. Looks like Russel Brand will be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 On 25/09/2023 at 18:07, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: you post this one quite often but it’s rarely relevant because lots of the worlds top scientists and doctors don’t entirely agree so you can be in the minority (or less publicised group) without finding unique information and also be right Like alternative truths do you mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 5 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: yes using the most extreme example adds great insight into a debate remember that big conspiracy theory fuelled by conspiracy nut jobs like John Lydon that there was not only something very sinister about savile but also that he was protected and to expose him would have serious ramifications - real downtown rabbit hole stuff fortunately we had trusted media figures like Esther Rantzen to reassure us how fantastic uncle jimmy was and how he was exactly the same great guy off the screen as he was on it that was until through some incredible fluke of statistics yet another big conspiracy theory turned out to be the actual truth at which time aunty Esther and the likes started slithering and sliding to try to distance themselves from their previous comments and now tell us how they never really knew uncle jimmy at all 😔 You missed my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, I P Knightley said: You missed my point. savile’s not an extreme example ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 5 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: yes using the most extreme example adds great insight into a debate remember that big conspiracy theory fuelled by conspiracy nut jobs like John Lydon that there was not only something very sinister about savile but also that he was protected and to expose him would have serious ramifications - real downtown rabbit hole stuff fortunately we had trusted media figures like Esther Rantzen to reassure us how fantastic uncle jimmy was and how he was exactly the same great guy off the screen as he was on it that was until through some incredible fluke of statistics yet another big conspiracy theory turned out to be the actual truth at which time aunty Esther and the likes started slithering and sliding to try to distance themselves from their previous comments and now tell us how they never really knew uncle jimmy at all 😔 I think there is a difference between conspiracy theories and cover-ups, don't you? A conspiracy theory is when someone takes some facts and spins them into a web, an alternative narrative from the generally accepted "truth". Now the believability of this narrative can hold together or it can fall to bits under examination, depending on the strength of the necessary leaps of faith that are required to link the facts and hold them together. Some conspiracy threories are probably closer to the truth than the accepted truth, but not many I would think...The likelihood of a conspiracy theory being the actual truth is probably inversely related to the number of theories a person has authored or believes in... A cover-up is just a cover-up. Nothing to see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Spellczech said: I think there is a difference between conspiracy theories and cover-ups, don't you? A conspiracy theory is when someone takes some facts and spins them into a web, an alternative narrative from the generally accepted "truth". Now the believability of this narrative can hold together or it can fall to bits under examination, depending on the strength of the necessary leaps of faith that are required to link the facts and hold them together. Some conspiracy threories are probably closer to the truth than the accepted truth, but not many I would think...The likelihood of a conspiracy theory being the actual truth is probably inversely related to the number of theories a person has authored or believes in... A cover-up is just a cover-up. Nothing to see here. I agree in part only - they’re obviously not the same thing but they are often linked - something is covered-up / information withheld and any theory (including with a reasonable amount of facts to back it) is often (particularly now a days) just generically labelled a conspiracy theory (whether that satisfies the purest criteria of a conspiracy theory or not) I don’t know either how many theories labelled conspiracy turn out to be true but like you I would guess at a lot less than half but we have seen a good few during Covid turn out either to be true or things that people were originally de-platformed for discussing as conspiracy now on the mainstream table for discussion and yes I agree the more theories you come up with the more you might get right nominally but almost certainly not proportionately Edited September 27, 2023 by MoncurMacdonaldMercer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: savile’s not an extreme example ? Pyeeeoww!! Missed again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 34 minutes ago, I P Knightley said: Pyeeeoww!! Missed again. jimmy savile the person you mentioned in your short post is an extreme example in just about any subject matter he is a particularly an extreme example of a guilty man who never went through the court process and hence an extreme example of someone who bucks the trend of innocent until proven guilty as I said when I didn’t miss your point at all -extreme examples add next to nothing or sarcastically add great insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 48 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: jimmy savile the person you mentioned in your short post is an extreme example in just about any subject matter he is a particularly an extreme example of a guilty man who never went through the court process and hence an extreme example of someone who bucks the trend of innocent until proven guilty as I said when I didn’t miss your point at all -extreme examples add next to nothing or sarcastically add great insight Indeed. The idea that you can only villify someone's behaviour once they've been convicted in a court for it is preposterous. Amazing how often that line is trotted out on here too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Indeed. The idea that you can only villify someone's behaviour once they've been convicted in a court for it is preposterous. Amazing how often that line is trotted out on here too... This is more like it. But where's the line? I deliberately went to an extreme to illustrate the point that guilt is guilt, regardless of any court proceedings or the outcome of them. If I'd chosen Sir Cyril Smith, Prince Andrew, Jeffrey Epstein or Robert Maxwell, the point is exactly the same. We all know that the balance of probability tips heavily towards the likelihood of them having done it. It's a discussion board; we're not sending out a lynch mob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 7 hours ago, Victorian said: David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, god knows how many others. Pete Townshend was actuallly convicted of child porn offences , yet there seems little opprobrium in his direction. The degree of public vilification seems inversely proportional to your popularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Pete Townshend was actuallly convicted of child porn offences , yet there seems little opprobrium in his direction. The degree of public vilification seems inversely proportional to your popularity. Did he not use i was only studying for a book excuse. What I find disturbing is how tv bosses are still not taken complaints further. Add on how they are still letting some things being broadcast makes you wonder. That Brand celebrate your 16th birthday with a sex party to a 15 year old should never have seen the light of day and for it to get aired with no consequences I just cannot understand why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 22 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Pete Townshend was actuallly convicted of child porn offences , yet there seems little opprobrium in his direction. The degree of public vilification seems inversely proportional to your popularity. I remembering reading various things about the ones I mentioned, plus your addition, all of whom were on the go around the same era, later 60s through to late 70s in Bolan's unfortunate case. I doubt that it's been anything other than very widespread in that era. I seem to remember reading about a fair bit of hush money changing hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 43 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Pete Townshend was actuallly convicted of child porn offences , yet there seems little opprobrium in his direction. The degree of public vilification seems inversely proportional to your popularity. His defence here . https://ultimateclassicrock.com/pete-townshend-cleared-child-porn-charges/#:~:text=Following a four-month investigation,downloaded images of child porn. Not convinced with his argument but not able to rule it out either ,his reasoning I guess makes a sort of sense but it also doesn't sit right . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Spellczech said: Indeed. The idea that you can only villify someone's behaviour once they've been convicted in a court for it is preposterous. Amazing how often that line is trotted out on here too... Lots of stuff is trotted out on here by people (well meaning or otherwise) who have very limited awareness of the required facts or depth of knowledge to be commenting on what they are commenting on - that’s fine that’s the context - it’s a football forum people are free to vilify people all they wish and in some/most cases they will be well short of the required facts but possibly still be ‘right’ by chance - equally people can trot out whatever defence line they like dearth of any real knowledge - doesn’t really matter in the case of brand absolutely no-one that I have noticed including brand himself have described some of his past behaviour as anything other than a pr!ck of the highest order - the line to non-consensual / criminal and all that be it via force or coercion is the more difficult part - people can of course make that call - comes across as a bit silly though especially when as is often the case they portray it as opinion without element of doubt there is also the accepted / recognised failing in the legal system (any system) that it’s not 100% so guilty people could be cleared and innocent not - easy just to ignore this too and vilify / defend on any level someone wishes - depends how sophisticated people want the debate to be on a football forum its easy just to say x y z people are this - literally anyone can do it who can login and type - it takes absolutely no skill or knowledge at all - like using the most extreme examples - adds nothing other than keeps the forum going which other than the odd thread (depression , where’s the best place to park in xyz) is really as useful as it gets and pretty much it’s purpose 😃👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, I P Knightley said: This is more like it. But where's the line? I deliberately went to an extreme to illustrate the point that guilt is guilt, regardless of any court proceedings or the outcome of them. If I'd chosen Sir Cyril Smith, Prince Andrew, Jeffrey Epstein or Robert Maxwell, the point is exactly the same. We all know that the balance of probability tips heavily towards the likelihood of them having done it. It's a discussion board; we're not sending out a lynch mob. you genuinely think “we all know …… having done it” ? even replacing “all” with “most of us” you think that’s a true statement? all / most of us have the required facts to hand to say on the balance of probability heavily says they’ve done it ? cyril smith - I’ve watched a couple of James English interviews where he’s cropped-up without being the main subject matter of the interview - sounds like he was bang at it - but that’s the extent of my knowledge - not sure that would be enough to say he actually was bang at it on “the balance of probability” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: you genuinely think “we all know …… having done it” ? even replacing “all” with “most of us” you think that’s a true statement? all / most of us have the required facts to hand to say on the balance of probability heavily says they’ve done it ? cyril smith - I’ve watched a couple of James English interviews where he’s cropped-up without being the main subject matter of the interview - sounds like he was bang at it - but that’s the extent of my knowledge - not sure that would be enough to say he actually was bang at it on “the balance of probability” Cyril Smith was a known nonce, and "Sir" David Steele covered up for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: Cyril Smith was a known nonce, and "Sir" David Steele covered up for him. im not disputing he was - I (possibly in a minority of one) haven’t spent anytime researching literally anything about Cyril smith nonce-related or otherwise and neither those that said he was a nonce nor those that said he wasn’t (if there were any) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Nonce alert !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: Nonce alert !! no need to introduce yourself mate you’ve got about 3k posts on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 On 26/09/2023 at 22:30, been here before said: The cover of Private Eye made me smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 19 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: no need to introduce yourself mate you’ve got about 3k posts on here 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 He's got some legal team given the birth of his child has been hidden from the media for at least 8 weeks already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Being sued in New York for noncing on the set of Arthur. https://news.sky.com/story/russell-brand-sued-by-extra-who-claims-she-was-sexually-assaulted-on-film-set-12999967 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 11 hours ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: Being sued in New York for noncing on the set of Arthur. https://news.sky.com/story/russell-brand-sued-by-extra-who-claims-she-was-sexually-assaulted-on-film-set-12999967 I read that (a couple of times) as being a peculiar way to say 'Arthur's Seat'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 hour ago, I P Knightley said: I read that (a couple of times) as being a peculiar way to say 'Arthur's Seat'. Are you originally from Morningside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 been questioned by the met over three historical sex offenses https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67469301 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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