Deevers Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Well after tonight how much blame do they take? I’m watching carefully what happens tomorrow - if they accept a pittance for Shankland then it’s time for them to be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc1440 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 The Board are absolutely to blame. "The Manager is the most important staff cog in the wheel at a club." They have rendered this important factor so much as to be pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 The reality is we are nowhere near the level of PAOK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortmanRossco Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, 1971fozzy said: The reality is we are nowhere near the level of PAOK. God forbid talking sense on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, 1971fozzy said: The reality is we are nowhere near the level of PAOK. Miles off them. Not even close. Said in another thread, lose Sunday and I believe most of the fans will be wanting a proper management team in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) The board imo took a punt because they couldn't find an improvement on Neilson at that time. It's not going to work, own it, bin them and bring in a proper coach, damage limitation. Edited August 31, 2023 by Cruyff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twjambo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Buck stops with the Board. That’s why they get paid and that’s why they are there. So they need to steer us out of this mediocrity. Give them until Christmas to turn this round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie_Rules Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 They were surprisingly more trigger happy than most thought they would be with the Neilson sacking, albeit the majority of fans wanted it to happen. What has transpired is that there was no better candidate out there interested. Failure to win the next couple of games and we are up shit creek with nowhere to go. Suddenly Neilson’s ability to achieve league targets, have cup runs along with a decent derby record doesn’t look so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, Deevers said: Well after tonight how much blame do they take? I’m watching carefully what happens tomorrow - if they accept a pittance for Shankland then it’s time for them to be gone. Take the money for Shankland and run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyboy7 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, Deevers said: Well after tonight how much blame do they take? I’m watching carefully what happens tomorrow - if they accept a pittance for Shankland then it’s time for them to be gone. Go away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skacel103 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Can we start singing "sack the board" like in the 90s. Those were the days 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, twjambo said: Buck stops with the Board. That’s why they get paid and that’s why they are there. So they need to steer us out of this mediocrity. Give them until Christmas to turn this round. By xmas 3rd could be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Actually will be surprised if we get a win on Sunday. Imagine saying that against Motherwell at Tynecastle. Desperate times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_1874 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, 1971fozzy said: The reality is we are nowhere near the level of PAOK. I don't think anyone can or will argue that. What they will say is did PAOK even have to get out of 1st gear tonight? No Did we look organized ? No Did we make it difficult? Couldn't have made it any easier. There's ways to lose football matches and that was utterly embarrassing, no pressure on the ball. A totally passive yet absolutely predictable performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, Cruyff said: The board imo took a punt because they couldn't find an improvement on Neilson at that time. It's not going to work, own it, bin them and bring in a proper coach. At recent FOH plot ceremony McKinlay openly stated that the applicants for the managers job wasn’t impressive. Or he was surprised rather at the quality of applicants. It’s not looking great I agree. We need results in the league quickly as October and December look very difficult months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Gorgie_Rules said: They were surprisingly more trigger happy than most thought they would be with the Neilson sacking, albeit the majority of fans wanted it to happen. What has transpired is that there was no better candidate out there interested. Failure to win the next couple of games and we are up shit creek with nowhere to go. Suddenly Neilson’s ability to achieve league targets, have cup runs along with a decent derby record doesn’t look so bad. I dont believe for 1 minute there was no better candidate interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said: The reality is we are nowhere near the level of PAOK. Or Dundee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 If I knew who our manager actually was i'd hate him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Robbo-Jambo said: Actually will be surprised if we get a win on Sunday. Imagine saying that against Motherwell at Tynecastle. Desperate times. Motherwell missing 3 strikers......get your money on a Well win!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 They clearly wanted Naisy as the was the cheap option and despite denying it, there is no way they did a proper external investigation, otherwise Naisy wouldn’t have been appointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie_Rules Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, Jambof3tornado said: I dont believe for 1 minute there was no better candidate interested. It is pretty clear that was the case. If there was indeed a better candidate and we chose to go with the current set up based upon 4 or 5 games then the board really do need to have a hard look at themselves, amateur stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 You don’t wait for people to apply you target a manager and pay the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 How does the saying go, the body rots from the head down? They sanctioned whatever this is. I'm not annoyed that we lost tonight, it was always going to be a tall order. I'm annoyed that we went off half cocked. Going into a European qualifier with 1 recognised midfielder and a shitehouse at LCB was a shocking decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said: The reality is we are nowhere near the level of PAOK. 100%. People thought they were there for the taking last week. They just simply upped it when they needed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Naismith was also a popular appointment within our support ,so we should consider that when attacking on that point . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, Gorgie_Rules said: It is pretty clear that was the case. If there was indeed a better candidate and we chose to go with the current set up based upon 4 or 5 games then the board really do need to have a hard look at themselves, amateur stuff. Not sure how it works but did we wait for names to come to us or did we even consider going after a manager we wanted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, pointon said: You don’t wait for people to apply you target a manager and pay the money This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Jambof3tornado said: Motherwell missing 3 strikers......get your money on a Well win!!! Rowles maybe win a header then 😏. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Liam Fox is just along the corridor lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, ToadKiller Dog said: Naismith was also a popular appointment within our support ,so we should consider that when attacking on that point . What were the options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Robbo-Jambo said: Rowles maybe win a header then 😏. Hmmmmmm.... Not sure if serious or not!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortmanRossco Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, Deevers said: Well after tonight how much blame do they take? I’m watching carefully what happens tomorrow - if they accept a pittance for Shankland then it’s time for them to be gone. When we sign someone that's played for Brazil like they had tonight....ask the question again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashimoto Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, 1971fozzy said: At recent FOH plot ceremony McKinlay openly stated that the applicants for the managers job wasn’t impressive. Or he was surprised rather at the quality of applicants. It’s not looking great I agree. We need results in the league quickly as October and December look very difficult months He would say that considering that no other candidates were really considered. Why do you think Naismith got the last 6 games?.......When you're firefighting for 3rd place you move heaven and Earth to get someone in to at least give you a fighting chance. It's fair to say that this lot did not for one minute consider recruiting outside of Oriam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gorgie_Rules said: They were surprisingly more trigger happy than most thought they would be with the Neilson sacking, albeit the majority of fans wanted it to happen. What has transpired is that there was no better candidate out there interested. Failure to win the next couple of games and we are up shit creek with nowhere to go. Suddenly Neilson’s ability to achieve league targets, have cup runs along with a decent derby record doesn’t look so bad. Let’s be honest they didn’t look for a better candidate, Naismith was always the man it just took a bit longer while they figured out how to get round the badges thing. IMO Naismith should still be given a shot but not with McAvoy and Forrest, the games last season we saw a fairly exciting style developing, this season it’s just Neilson mk II and I think it’s the influence of those two on Naismith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Wilde Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 The club - the board - has done a lot right over the last decade but continues to do one of the most important things horribly wrong. With the exception of Robbies two 3rd place finishes, managerial appointments have been dismally poor and with predictable outcomes. A club with 3rd place ambitions perpetually appoints management teams with insufficient quality to achieve that. Plenty money is being spent on players and contracts, at least relative to other non-rantic teams. The return on that investment is miserable and sooner or later the fans will say enough is enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, the posh bit said: 100%. People thought they were there for the taking last week. They just simply upped it when they needed to. Thought that of Dundee too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twjambo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Board should always have succession plans in place for key staff, including Coaches. That’s one of the responsibilities of a Board. Sacking a coach with no succession plan in place shows a lack of effective governance in the Board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valois No1 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, indianajones said: Miles off them. Not even close. Said in another thread, lose Sunday and I believe most of the fans will be wanting a proper management team in. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, ShortmanRossco said: God forbid talking sense on here. We weren’t even on the same level as Dundee on Sunday. There is no excuse for the standard of our defending or for us having no central midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Mugabe Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 At least our Sporting Director had a good bevvy last night, that’s the main thing. People will dig out so many of our players for being nowhere near good enough for Hearts and while they are right, they are the consequence of our board. The board has to fundamentally change in order to change the dugout and then what is seen on the park. Until then, strap yourselves in for plenty more dross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, Boab Mugabe said: At least our Sporting Director had a good bevvy last night, that’s the main thing. People will dig out so many of our players for being nowhere near good enough for Hearts and while they are right, they are the consequence of our board. The board has to fundamentally change in order to change the dugout and then what is seen on the park. Until then, strap yourselves in for plenty more dross. You know he's tea 🍵 total? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, hmfc1440 said: The Board are absolutely to blame. "The Manager is the most important staff cog in the wheel at a club." They have rendered this important factor so much as to be pointless. Most of us have and need managers. No leadership on or off the park at the start of the season is just wrong. We look so amateurish and it's not right. Not an ounce of get up and go or motivation at the club at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, Famous 1874 said: They clearly wanted Naisy as the was the cheap option and despite denying it, there is no way they did a proper external investigation, otherwise Naisy wouldn’t have been appointed. Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted August 31, 2023 Author Share Posted August 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, chrisyboy7 said: Go away Sorry no. They have serious questions to answer over the progression after Neilson was sacked. So far it’s been a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, hmfc1440 said: The Board are absolutely to blame. "The Manager is the most important staff cog in the wheel at a club." They have rendered this important factor so much as to be pointless. Five year plans, promoting from within. We just get fed shoite time after time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, Gorgie_Rules said: They were surprisingly more trigger happy than most thought they would be with the Neilson sacking, albeit the majority of fans wanted it to happen. What has transpired is that there was no better candidate out there interested. Failure to win the next couple of games and we are up shit creek with nowhere to go. Suddenly Neilson’s ability to achieve league targets, have cup runs along with a decent derby record doesn’t look so bad. Trigger happy? They were at least a year too late in punting Neilson. In fact, shouldn't have brought him back. How do you know there was no better candidate? They had no intention of getting a good/strong/experienced candidate. It was always going to be Naismith. Just like the Levein situation. With our budget and set-up we should be doing 3rd and good cup runs every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Sack the board. Sack the Coaching staff. Sack the players. Sounds legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said: The reality is we are nowhere near the level of PAOK. Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Are people not aware how poor Scottish football is? It is a complete backwater propped up by decent clubs like us with much better supports than they actually deserve. Surely anyone with a pair of eyes and a brain knew we were getting a papping tonight? it was laughable reading the threads about formations and whatever. Rangers got smashed and they’ll smash us too. Absolute tinpot football we watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) Board is spineless, whole club is spineless from top to bottom and has been for years. Edited August 31, 2023 by Gordon Ramsay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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