neilnunb Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just looked at the league table. Hutchison Vale goal difference of -176 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I love the women's team and fingers crossed for their promotion at the first time of asking. The seethe from absolute mouth-breathers is just a delightful by-product Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 50 minutes ago, neilnunb said: Just looked at the league table. Hutchison Vale goal difference of -176 🤣 They sign Jack Hamilton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, Sarah O said: I love the women's team and fingers crossed for their promotion at the first time of asking. The seethe from absolute mouth-breathers is just a delightful by-product Sure you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Sarah O said: I love the women's team and fingers crossed for their promotion at the first time of asking. The seethe from absolute mouth-breathers is just a delightful by-product How many of their games have you attended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: How many of their games have you attended? Same amount as you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev1998 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Forever,Mrs o has probs attended nada women's games, Noah,Forever hearts is obviously not rabbiting on about the women's team,so should not be expected to attend any,unlike some on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 53 minutes ago, Noah Claypole said: Same amount as you. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Sarah O said: I love the women's team and fingers crossed for their promotion at the first time of asking. The seethe from absolute mouth-breathers is just a delightful by-product Last league game of season is now at Tynecastle. Sun 17 Nov 2pm. https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/hearts-women-to-play-at-tynecastle-this-november Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Top of the league, great to see the investment paying off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Forever Hearts said: How many of their games have you attended? Four. I'll also be going to their final game at Tynie this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Kev1998 said: Forever,Mrs o has probs attended nada women's games. When you assume you only make an ass etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 23/10/2019 at 21:14, Coburg Hearts said: I'd have given it more than one Wow. i was actually thinking they deserved any wows for the neanderthal backwards thinking but On 24/10/2019 at 08:04, Sarah O said: I love the women's team and fingers crossed for their promotion at the first time of asking. The seethe from absolute mouth-breathers is just a delightful by-product 23 hours ago, Sarah O said: When you assume you only make an ass etc... 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Crucial away game against Killie this weekend. C'mon the Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Kiwidoug said: Crucial away game against Killie this weekend. C'mon the Hearts. Won’t be an easy game , they’re not too bad a team and the nerves are kicking in too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 You could cut the tension with a baked tattie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: You could cut the tension with a baked tattie. For those of us with a vested interest it is getting tense , what’s the problem with that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: For those of us with a vested interest it is getting tense , what’s the problem with that ? I don't like criticising Jambos but those who think there is no future in the womens game are just dinosaurs. It has a tremendous future worldwide. I don't know the exact stats but the number of girls playing football in nz is massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, Kiwidoug said: I don't like criticising Jambos but those who think there is no future in the womens game are just dinosaurs. It has a tremendous future worldwide. I don't know the exact stats but the number of girls playing football in nz is massive. I’m guessing they’re only doing it to get bites Doug . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: I’m guessing they’re only doing it to get bites Doug . Or hoping that someone will agree with them to validate their prejudices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 48 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: I’m guessing they’re only doing it to get bites Doug . It certainly has potential for the future but that's the thing it's potential and it's the future not so much now. I just feel the media are trying to get them to run before they can walk so to speak. The women's game needs to grow a bit more organically rather than being force fed steroids just for TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: It certainly has potential for the future but that's the thing it's potential and it's the future not so much now. I just feel the media are trying to get them to run before they can walk so to speak. The women's game needs to grow a bit more organically rather than being force fed steroids just for TV. This is very true. The women’s game is a long way from being able to become sustainable at a professional level. Whilst clearly more girls are playing football they are typically not going to watch women’s football. If anything it could be behind more females going the watch men’s matches. Whilst I have no objections to our club providing encouragement for the women’s game we are spending far too much on it. It’s a waste of money, it’s not going to do anything to help the Men’s game which is the reason our club exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, McCrae said: This is very true. The women’s game is a long way from being able to become sustainable at a professional level. Whilst clearly more girls are playing football they are typically not going to watch women’s football. If anything it could be behind more females going the watch men’s matches. Whilst I have no objections to our club providing encouragement for the women’s game we are spending far too much on it. It’s a waste of money, it’s not going to do anything to help the Men’s game which is the reason our club exists. Get your hard hat on. Oh, and I agree with you, it's nothing more than a vanity project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Won't be able to sleep if it gets to last couple of weeks. Good news is Hamilton play before us on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: It certainly has potential for the future but that's the thing it's potential and it's the future not so much now. I just feel the media are trying to get them to run before they can walk so to speak. The women's game needs to grow a bit more organically rather than being force fed steroids just for TV. 1 hour ago, McCrae said: This is very true. The women’s game is a long way from being able to become sustainable at a professional level. Whilst clearly more girls are playing football they are typically not going to watch women’s football. If anything it could be behind more females going the watch men’s matches. Whilst I have no objections to our club providing encouragement for the women’s game we are spending far too much on it. It’s a waste of money, it’s not going to do anything to help the Men’s game which is the reason our club exists. Whilst I’m a big supporter of the women’s (and indeed girls teams ) both of you are correct in saying it’s got “ potential” . However to realise that potential it may be helpful to give it a foot up to help it grow . I’m absolutely delighted the club has chosen to invest in the women’s game , that said if I felt that any monies diverted from the men’s team to fund it was in fact causing a financial problem for the first team , I’d be the first to question it . I do also believe that the custodians have sat down done their sums and reckon that the sum involved won’t hamper the men’s team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 As the game develops in Scotland I also think it needs to be largely self-sustaining. If it grows to the point where crowds of 5,000 or more are generated for some games and sponsors are found, there is no reason why some clubs at least can't become semi-professional. I earnestly hope that if our final game at Tnecastle has the league championship at stake, a crowd of 2,000 plus will be generated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: As the game develops in Scotland I also think it needs to be largely self-sustaining. If it grows to the point where crowds of 5,000 or more are generated for some games and sponsors are found, there is no reason why some clubs at least can't become semi-professional. I earnestly hope that if our final game at Tnecastle has the league championship at stake, a crowd of 2,000 plus will be generated. Long long long way from they figures Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, 3fingersreid said: Whilst I’m a big supporter of the women’s (and indeed girls teams ) both of you are correct in saying it’s got “ potential” . However to realise that potential it may be helpful to give it a foot up to help it grow . I’m absolutely delighted the club has chosen to invest in the women’s game , that said if I felt that any monies diverted from the men’s team to fund it was in fact causing a financial problem for the first team , I’d be the first to question it . I do also believe that the custodians have sat down done their sums and reckon that the sum involved won’t hamper the men’s team. Don't get me wrong I certainly want the club to fully support and fund woman's football but my point was more aimed at the media who are desperate for it to match the men's game. Imo it will never come close to doing so. Edited October 26, 2019 by Seymour M Hersh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Talking about women's being unsustainable yet supporting a men's club that has pretty much been a financial basket case it's whole existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, Homme said: Talking about women's being unsustainable yet supporting a men's club that has pretty much been a financial basket case it's whole existence. Until now, absolutely correct. Can't we just talk womens football up instead of down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: Until now, absolutely correct. Can't we just talk womens football up instead of down. Until now of course yes. We've never been in a better position! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 If they are not getting paid, how is it a drain on budget ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, jambopilms said: If they are not getting paid, how is it a drain on budget ? Many costs involved, even without paying them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Many costs involved, even without paying them. Such as ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 8 hours ago, 3fingersreid said: Whilst I’m a big supporter of the women’s (and indeed girls teams ) both of you are correct in saying it’s got “ potential” . However to realise that potential it may be helpful to give it a foot up to help it grow . I’m absolutely delighted the club has chosen to invest in the women’s game , that said if I felt that any monies diverted from the men’s team to fund it was in fact causing a financial problem for the first team , I’d be the first to question it . I do also believe that the custodians have sat down done their sums and reckon that the sum involved won’t hamper the men’s team. I understand your position, but where we disagree relates to the current impact on the 1st team. Our squad is not great and the lack of options up front being a particular concern. The money spent on the women’s game could help secure a decent player. The number of paid employees the club has supporting the women’s game in my opinion is excessive. We even have a full time IT and communications person just for the women’s team! I am not a 100% certain, but I understand based on advertised positions that the club has at least 12 paid employees associated exclusively with the women’s game. That’s a lot, both numerically and financially for our club. The time may come for this level of support, but it is not now. Our focus needs to be on the sustainable success of the men’s team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Homme said: Talking about women's being unsustainable yet supporting a men's club that has pretty much been a financial basket case it's whole existence. The lessons we have all learned to not to repeat the same mistakes again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, jambopilms said: If they are not getting paid, how is it a drain on budget ? The staff associated with the women’s game are paid. We even employ a full time social media person to support the women’s game. Maybe you missed the long list of paid positions for the women’s game the club recently advertised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Did anyone else see the club feature on how they are integrating girls team players with the boys teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, McCrae said: The staff associated with the women’s game are paid. We even employ a full time social media person to support the women’s game. Maybe you missed the long list of paid positions for the women’s game the club recently advertised? I find it hard to believe that have a full time person to send a few tweets a week for an amateur team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, jambopilms said: Such as ? Kit, hiring parks, washing the kits, travel, league membership fees, fines, coaches fees, etc. It doesn't all just happen for free. Edited October 26, 2019 by Forever Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, McCrae said: The staff associated with the women’s game are paid. We even employ a full time social media person to support the women’s game. Maybe you missed the long list of paid positions for the women’s game the club recently advertised? With the exception of K Murphy -who I’m led to believe is also involved in the boys set up too- there isn’t anyone employed directly by the club that solely “ runs” the women’s teams . The guys that do the twitter and match announcers don’t get any money . 10 minutes ago, McCrae said: Did anyone else see the club feature on how they are integrating girls team players with the boys teams? That is done only up to around 11 or 12 years old , nothing new in that my daughter done it whilst at primary school and in a mixed team at Tynecastle HS One more time , the women’s and girls teams HAVE NOT HAD ONE PENNY from HMFC all monies that have come into the teams have come from subs, fund raising and sponsorships . Im greatful to the murrayfield sports bar for sponsoring my daughter this season and she’s even getting a boot sponsorship next year . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Kit, hiring parks, washing the kits, travel, league membership fees, fines, coaches fees, etc. It doesn't all just happen for free. Sorry you posted before I could reply but please see above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: Sorry you posted before I could reply but please see above https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts-to-invest-six-figure-sum-in-ladies-side-1-4848033/amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, McCrae said: Did anyone else see the club feature on how they are integrating girls team players with the boys teams? Yep. Will bring the standard down. Has there been a crowd of over 10 yet for any of their games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Forever Hearts said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts-to-invest-six-figure-sum-in-ladies-side-1-4848033/amp I’ve read the article previously but as I’m just up after a night shift I’m not sure of the point you’re making ? Ive never said they’re not putting money in in the future but as off right now , no money has been given to the women’s club . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Kit, hiring parks, washing the kits, travel, league membership fees, fines, coaches fees, etc. It doesn't all just happen for free. So most of the stuff any boys team around the country manage to pay for. Hardly worth the drama imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jambopilms said: So most of the stuff any boys team around the country manage to pay for. Hardly worth the drama imo. Correct. Still costs money though. And her statement says she'll be investing a six figure sum into the ladies team. Not many boys clubs I know get that level of funding. Edited October 26, 2019 by Forever Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: I’ve read the article previously but as I’m just up after a night shift I’m not sure of the point you’re making ? Ive never said they’re not putting money in in the future but as off right now , no money has been given to the women’s club . The date of that statement is December 2018. Are you telling me that almost a year after promising significant investment she has put in the grand sum of zero pounds? Edited October 26, 2019 by Forever Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 51 minutes ago, jambopilms said: I find it hard to believe that have a full time person to send a few tweets a week for an amateur team. I was shocked when I saw the advertisement for this position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 38 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: The date of that statement is December 2018. Are you telling me that almost a year after promising significant investment she has put in the grand sum of zero pounds? Yes , yes I am ,as I said umpteen times , the only person directly employed is K Murphy and he gets input into the boys teams too . Employing him , did that help in getting Meshi ???? Now I’m not sure if what I type is coming out on this website in Vulcan or something BUT THE WOMENS AND GIRLS FOOTBALL TEAMS UP TO THIS CURRENT DATE ARE SELF FUNDED through , subs , sponsorships and fund raising . Now this is me just speculating but the mysterious benefactor might have stipulated that for Hearts to receive any backing it has to be all exclusive . If spending £100k gets the whole club a hell of a lot more money would it be worth it then? Maybe the benefactor has young females in his/her family and wants them to get a chance and that’s a reason as well? Regardless I’m sure the custodians have done the diligence on the cost and see it as no threat to the men’s team ( something I’d hope they have done) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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