Why are Celtic fans considered Left Wing?

[briever]

10 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

You would expect anyone with true Christian beliefs to be more socialist/left leaning in their political views wouldn't you??

 

The important word there being "true".

[Debut 4]

1 hour ago, Sir Craig Gordon said:

They are a strange bunch. They hate each other as they can't agree on what is the right songs to sing. The ***** brigade & a break away group called, I think, The Bhoys are having a bit of a disagreement. One wants to sing irish, IRA, anti British stuff. The other wants to sing about some other shite that I can quite remember. Been told this from my cousin who is a season ticket holder at that dump.

Turned to my mate at the game last week about an hour in and asked, “wtf are they singing now?”….. 

 

It sounded like some obscure folk song from what I could make out and not obvious or familiar to the ear. 
 

They are a bunch of try hards. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Debut 4

[SwindonJambo]

15 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

You would expect anyone with true Christian beliefs to be more socialist/left leaning in their political views wouldn't you??

In the context of religion, the word true has a very flexible and subjective definition! 

 

Like a huge chunk of the population, I'm an atheist and absolutely loathe both the OF. Each seems to set out to be as different from the other as possible with some laughable contradictions already mentioned. We are Hearts and I for one certainly don't define myself or my club in terms of how we relate to Hibs, other than they've given me plenty of laughs down the years.

[HeartsandonlyHearts]

23 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

Why is no one allowed to pose questions about Celtic without someone asking what about Rangers? 
 

Maybe he’s asking because he’s wondering and curious. To declare it a “diatribe”. Calm down. They’re quite clearly heavily associated with being an Irish and Catholic club. 

Maybe because that’s what both teams do.

If either one gets pulled up about something then they both automatically revert to “but what about….”

[Naisys Tackle]

1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

Excuse me. What a load of claptrap.

Alot of Sevco supporters/followers, are Labour supporters, they even vote SNP.

To say all Sevco supporters vote Tory is just ignorant nonsense.

Celtic, despite alot of non-Celtic supporters, believing that the Green Brigade, represent the Celtic support as a whole, nothing could be further from the truth. The Labour Party in Scotland has many a Celtic supporter at its top table, there are Celtic supporters who vote Tory. Yes they cling to their Irish roots, but I can assure you many a Celtic supporter have served in HM Forces and been proud to do so, I served with quite a few Celtic supporters in the Royal Navy, and I know plenty others who have served in both the Army and RAF.

Believe me there are many Celtic supporters who want rid of the Green Brigade and all the baggage they bring with them. Just so happens the Green Brigade sing and shout the loudest and therefore get noticed the most.

At the Haymarket remembrance service in the last few years, Danny McGrain has lay a wreath on behalf of Celtic football club, and it was Celtic football club who played us in a match to raise funds for the clock memorial at Haymarket.

Although the Sevco support and the Celtic support may profess hate for each other in public, its all a sham, even a bigger sham at boardroom level.

They have been carving up Scottish football between themselves since 1909.

Celtic Football Club are just as much apart of the Scottish establishment as any other Scottish football club, especially their ugly twin over the other side of the River Clyde in Govan.

No they don't.  Maybe 15-20 years ago but not anymore.  Rangers fans are no voting unionists that hate the SNP.  Celtic fans are all supporters of independence and vote SNP from labour.  If you don't believe me look at any Rangers forums or supporters social media sites. 

 

[SwindonJambo]

1 minute ago, Robbies Tackle said:

No they don't.  Maybe 15-20 years ago but not anymore.  Rangers fans are no voting unionists that hate the SNP.  Celtic fans are all supporters of independence and vote SNP from labour.  If you don't believe me look at any Rangers forums or supporters social media sites. 

 

Fan message boards are not necessarily representative of supports as a whole and often far from it. Many keyboard warrior Uber fan types lurk on there with the majority of match attending fans never using message boards ever. Generalising about any group of people and tarring them all with the same brush is incredibly naive and ignorant.

 

[Pasquale for King]

Don’t really have time for any religion as their beliefs don’t align with Socialism in any way. 
As much as I enjoyed berating Douglas Ross at games I don’t feel the need to bring my politics into play, occasionally yes. 
But we are supposed to live in a free country so if folk want to do this then that’s ok I suppose, whether it’s these all in green Fannie’s or our own UJ waving Billy boy twats. 

[Pasquale for King]

6 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

No they don't.  Maybe 15-20 years ago but not anymore.  Rangers fans are no voting unionists that hate the SNP.  Celtic fans are all supporters of independence and vote SNP from labour.  If you don't believe me look at any Rangers forums or supporters social media sites. 

 

It’s just not true I’m afraid, the amount of Celtic fans I’ve encountered in Glasgow before or after Yes events that are unionists is shocking, there are also a fair few Independence voters in the Rangers support. 

[BlueRiver]

42 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

No they don't.  Maybe 15-20 years ago but not anymore.  Rangers fans are no voting unionists that hate the SNP.  Celtic fans are all supporters of independence and vote SNP from labour.  If you don't believe me look at any Rangers forums or supporters social media sites. 

 

I can tell you right now I know a few Rangers fans and Celtic fans and they do not vote that way at all. 

[John Findlay]

48 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

No they don't.  Maybe 15-20 years ago but not anymore.  Rangers fans are no voting unionists that hate the SNP.  Celtic fans are all supporters of independence and vote SNP from labour.  If you don't believe me look at any Rangers forums or supporters social media sites. 

 

Deary me, what a gullible person you are.

[The Gorgie]

1 hour ago, Robbies Tackle said:

No they don't.  Maybe 15-20 years ago but not anymore.  Rangers fans are no voting unionists that hate the SNP.  Celtic fans are all supporters of independence and vote SNP from labour.  If you don't believe me look at any Rangers forums or supporters social media sites. 

 

I know plenty of rangers fans that vote SNP. Amazing how they can support their club without bring politics into it, crazy  *******s they are...

[Locky]

17 minutes ago, Sir Craig Gordon said:

I know plenty of rangers fans that vote SNP. Amazing how they can support their club without bring politics into it, crazy  *******s they are...

Few of my Rangers mates are quite strongly SNP and very supportive of independence. Sadly my girlfriend is clearly brainwashed though as she only refers to herself as British and detests Sturgeon.  Love winding her up.

[Jambo_jim2001]

Religion, politics or whatever should have no place in any sport in my humble opinion. FFS it's 2022, yet some still thrive on the bile, it's sickening 🤬🤬

[Watt-Zeefuik]

4 hours ago, briever said:

 

Catholicism is different in each society IMO, for example it's the establishment and oppressive religion in South America, Spain etc, but in countries where it's in the minority it reflects the economic situation of its flock.

 

Catholicism everywhere is pretty multi-faceted. JPII's papacy (and Benedict's) was a victory for the right wing side of Catholicism that had been on the wane in terms of power for the middle part of the 20th century. Bishops around the world got more right wing so now they're in the ascendancy, but Francis has been a bit of a check on that. But even under the reactionaries, the Catholic workers and Liberation Theology movements emerged from places that had very conservative leadership.

 

2 hours ago, Dennis Denuto said:

You would expect anyone with true Christian beliefs to be more socialist/left leaning in their political views wouldn't you??

 

In Europe, establishment churches have historically tended to be very closely tied to state power, which I think is both a reason why they've been more conservative or reactionary overall (and also more in decline than in much of the world). In places where the state has become more left wing, you see non-establishment churches aligned with free market ideology and corporate power because they get money by cozying up to those interests. Also, Marx's own antipathy towards religion has meant that there's a lot of anti-religiosity in some left wing movements.

 

In any case, it's not terribly surprising to me that the specifics of Irish Catholicism in Scotland would align with left wing politics if for no other reason than the anti-imperialism angle.

 

But yeah, there's a fair few of us that would say that radical suspicion of worldly power and authority, particularly authorities hostile to tending to the suffering and to the alien, is a pretty deep core of the Gospels.

[Naisys Tackle]

1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

Deary me, what a gullible person you are.

Do you need to be such a prick?

2 hours ago, SwindonJambo said:

Fan message boards are not necessarily representative of supports as a whole and often far from it. Many keyboard warrior Uber fan types lurk on there with the majority of match attending fans never using message boards ever. Generalising about any group of people and tarring them all with the same brush is incredibly naive and ignorant.

 

 

2 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

It’s just not true I’m afraid, the amount of Celtic fans I’ve encountered in Glasgow before or after Yes events that are unionists is shocking, there are also a fair few Independence voters in the Rangers support. 

 

1 hour ago, BlueRiver said:

I can tell you right now I know a few Rangers fans and Celtic fans and they do not vote that way at all. 

 

1 hour ago, Sir Craig Gordon said:

I know plenty of rangers fans that vote SNP. Amazing how they can support their club without bring politics into it, crazy  *******s they are...

Fair enough not going to argue with that  

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

Fair enough not going to argue with that  

 

Bookmarked. There is room after all for miracles in this world.

[Naisys Tackle]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Bookmarked. There is room after all for miracles in this world.

 

[John Findlay]

19 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

Do you need to be such a prick?

Yes, and?

[Naisys Tackle]

1 minute ago, John Findlay said:

Yes, and?

Just asking.  Carry on. 

[Dirkdiggler77]

Just to clarify when i am talking about left wing i think everyman and his dog has noticed that media and television and politics has radically changed in the last few years and every 5 seconds we are being lectured about Gay People, Black people, how awful we all are and need to change and need 'Educating' to the point of nausea

 

Add on top of this that in the media for decades now there has been a clear agenda against Christian people and they are always portrayed in films as Cult Members,Psycho's,Pedo's and just basically backwards you start to see a picture in that a lot of these initiatives and agenda's seem to be geared towards rubbing Christians faces in it and that in the past they were probably the strongest voices in opposing most of the distasteful and immoral things

 

Recent case in point is that they are now attempting to teach children in primary schools about transgenders and are putting ideas in their heads that are causing a lot of problems, once upon a time this would be unthinkable but now it just seems to get a pass with little resistance 

 

So with this in mind you would think one of the strongest voices opposing such radical social changes would be the hard line Catholics as is the case in places like Poland who are currently battling against the EU over these things and are having sanctions put on them.

 

But Celtic fans and i have noticed Irish media as well seem to be on board with the current trends

 

I am obviously not saying they condone Paedophilia or anything like that but by going along with everything else which are all connected to the darker ones they are facilitating this shit which is fundamentally Uncatholic 

 

 

[briever]

2 hours ago, Led Tasso said:

 

Catholicism everywhere is pretty multi-faceted. JPII's papacy (and Benedict's) was a victory for the right wing side of Catholicism that had been on the wane in terms of power for the middle part of the 20th century. Bishops around the world got more right wing so now they're in the ascendancy, but Francis has been a bit of a check on that. But even under the reactionaries, the Catholic workers and Liberation Theology movements emerged from places that had very conservative leadership.

 

 

It's interesting that the current Pope's position - whilst you could argue Argentina is as Catholic as any in South America, there has always been a slightly less Spanish influence in the country post non-Spanish euro migration.  Maybe the Arg Catholic church is slightly less establishment, damaged maybe by the Junta years.

Not that a fascist regime ever stopped the CC fully supporting Spain, Portugal, Italy and a myriad of Latin American countries fascist regimes.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

1 hour ago, briever said:

 

It's interesting that the current Pope's position - whilst you could argue Argentina is as Catholic as any in South America, there has always been a slightly less Spanish influence in the country post non-Spanish euro migration.  Maybe the Arg Catholic church is slightly less establishment, damaged maybe by the Junta years.

Not that a fascist regime ever stopped the CC fully supporting Spain, Portugal, Italy and a myriad of Latin American countries fascist regimes.

 

TMK Bergoglio (Francis) was a company man up until the disappearances started, and really had a change of heart. When he came up for pope, there were priests he was accused of "disappearing." The "disappeared" priests then spoke up and said that Bergoglio had been instrumental in effectively getting them out of country without the regime's knowledge. So in a sense, he was radicalized a bit by his experiences with fascism and his own conscience.

[Ulysses]

Literally.  Physically.  Sick.

[Smoked-Glass]

They are not left wing, they are skum.

[Hectormasson]

11 hours ago, Debut 4 said:

Turned to my mate at the game last week about an hour in and asked, “wtf are they singing now?”….. 

 

It sounded like some obscure folk song from what I could make out and not obvious or familiar to the ear. 
 

They are a bunch of try hards. 

ie w......s

[Hectormasson]

11 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Don’t really have time for any religion as their beliefs don’t align with Socialism in any way. 
As much as I enjoyed berating Douglas Ross at games I don’t feel the need to bring my politics into play, occasionally yes. 
But we are supposed to live in a free country so if folk want to do this then that’s ok I suppose, whether it’s these all in green Fannie’s or our own UJ waving Billy boy twats. 

hearts & f....k the rest ......🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦