Why are Celtic fans considered Left Wing?

[Dirkdiggler77]

This confuses me a little bit but Celtic are always banded in with clubs like St Pauli and Livorno as as somewhat Antifa clubs but the thing i don't understand is that Celtic are a Catholic club, is there not a slight contradiction there?

 

Catholics are usually associated with Right wing old school traditions and not somewhere you would find LGTB flags waving around, most of these new progressive initiatives are usually angled to undermine Christianity

Isn't Communism the Enemy of Catholicism?

Sorry if i sound ignorant it's just something that has always bothered me

(Note i have asked this on Celtic Board and reddit before and got my account closed within minutes)

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler77 said:

Catholics are usually associated with Right wing old school traditions 

I've never paid much attention to it all but that isn't my, admittedly uneducated, impression.

[Dirkdiggler77]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

I've never paid much attention to it all but that isn't my, admittedly uneducated, impression.

Perhaps it's different from Country to country but i know that in Italy/Spain and Eastern Europe the Far Right are deeply religious 

 

[Unknown user]

5 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler77 said:

Perhaps it's different from Country to country but i know that in Italy/Spain and Eastern Europe the Far Right are deeply religious 

 

My personal knowledge of catholics comes from small town school rivalry, a weekend in Dublin, and my mum to be fair.

 

Tbh I find all this interesting. When I was at school I got to take 2 musical instruments, so I missed the weekly hour of R.E. as a result. It was great, music's loads better than bollocks, but I feel like everyone knows more than me about it.

[Dirkdiggler77]

Ireland as a country seems to me as an outsider as a place who's lost it's balls, they've sold out

Edited October 27, 2022 by Dirkdiggler77

[Naisys Tackle]

They see them more of themselves as a group of freedom fights as opposed to Catholics these days.  They also have to be the complete opposite of everything Rangers who are far right Royalist Unionists. Why they started voting SNP and despite the policiesRangers fans all vote Tory.  Pure pathetic but you try reasoning and either half then see you as an enemy. 

[Psychedelicropcircle]

once upon a time
 

They have a Tory on their board 

 

 

The end.

[Sooks]

Be cause they have a very effective PR department . The fans themselves are generally too thick to tell the difference between Palestine and a pineapple 

[Jambo Buckets]

1 hour ago, Dirkdiggler77 said:

This confuses me a little bit but Celtic are always banded in with clubs like St Pauli and Livorno as as somewhat Antifa clubs but the thing i don't understand is that Celtic are a Catholic club, is there not a slight contradiction there?

 

Catholics are usually associated with Right wing old school traditions and not somewhere you would find LGTB flags waving around, most of these new progressive initiatives are usually angled to undermine Christianity

Isn't Communism the Enemy of Catholicism?

Sorry if i sound ignorant it's just something that has always bothered me

(Note i have asked this on Celtic Board and reddit before and got my account closed within minutes)

Catholics in Scotland have always been seen as more left wing than right wing given it was mainly adhered to by dirt poor working class Irish immigrants and their descendents. When I was young the Labour Party was considered to be the Catholic party, especially in Glasgow.

 

In most other places, catholics would be seen as more Conservative but it should only really be on issues like LGBT and abortion. Not sure why catholics would be right wing economically (surely Jesus is the biggest socialist of them all). 

 

But I don't think most Celtic fans consider it to be a Catholic club anyway. Celtic fans sing Viva la Quinta Brigada which is a song about Irish volunteers fighting Franco but also criticises the Catholic Church in it. I suppose most Celtic fans will be Catholic but I don't think it really reflects in their politics. 

 

Celtic and Rangers are both as bad as each other but Rangers have more issues with religion whereas Celtic's issues are more with politics and Irish Independence. Socialism was always a big thing for Irish Republicans hence the goon brigades activism. 

 

 

[dannymack]

I'm bored already... hate celtic, despise celtic, loathe celtic. 

 

Last Saturday summed them up, regardless of your political or religious allegiances anyone acknowledging that clubs fans who freely glorify Irish Republican Terrorism in a sporting arena needs looked at.

[poultry]

57 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Be cause they have a very effective PR department . The fans themselves are generally too thick to tell the difference between Palestine and a pineapple 

🤣

[Bazzas right boot]

Half them celebrate Irish independence while voting against their own counties independence. 

 

Absolute chicken dinners that are full of empty gestures and rhetric that has one reason- to be edgy and try to piss of Rangers  fans.

 

If Rangers came out with a new Irish style  3rd strip and proclaimed to be pro Catholic, all inclusive and breaking down barriers then Celtics identity would be lost over night.

 

Same goes for celtic but replace Irish with Britain.

 

Both clubs market themselves on a made up identity that the average fan doesn't understand or follow through on  day to day 

 

Both live of each other, the boards know this.

They are a cancer on not only the game but society full of empty gestures and no substance or morals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Bazzas right boot

[Heartsfth]

Celtic are owned by an Irish Billionaire and refuse to become Living Wage accredited. 

[XB52]

2 hours ago, Dirkdiggler77 said:

Ireland as a country seems to me as an outsider as a place who's lost it's balls, they've sold out

???? 

[Baxfee]

Never heard them called left wing. Just arseholes 🤷🏼‍♂️

[indianajones]

14 minutes ago, Baxfee said:

Never heard them called left wing. Just arseholes 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

This. 

 

They are thick as mince. 

[Finlay James]

They side with a cause that they feel makes them outsiders, victims and freedom fighters.  They seek attention.  That’s all it is, there’s no more further thought that goes into anything they do.

 

Speak to any of their fans and they’ll say they are pro-Palestine but have zero clue why.  
 

 

[Shooter McGavin]

It’s all just put on to annoy Rangers fans, who in turn put a lot of their s**** on just to annoy Celtic fans.

 

It’s all a bit weird and boring nowadays, to be honest.

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Shooter McGavin

[pablo]

 

A lot of them appear to be fantasists who don't realise that their club is the establishment who they claim to detest.

 

Tbf I've met quite a few decent Celtic fans. 

[Haken]

23 minutes ago, Finlay James said:

They side with a cause that they feel makes them outsiders, victims and freedom fighters.  They seek attention.  That’s all it is, there’s no more further thought that goes into anything they do.

 

Speak to any of their fans and they’ll say they are pro-Palestine but have zero clue why.  
 

 

Nail on head.

 

Choosing a football team guided by political and/or religious preferences is just a wee bit dated.  

[TheBigO]

2 hours ago, Jambo Buckets said:

Catholics in Scotland have always been seen as more left wing than right wing given it was mainly adhered to by dirt poor working class Irish immigrants and their descendents. When I was young the Labour Party was considered to be the Catholic party, especially in Glasgow.

 

In most other places, catholics would be seen as more Conservative but it should only really be on issues like LGBT and abortion. Not sure why catholics would be right wing economically (surely Jesus is the biggest socialist of them all). 

 

But I don't think most Celtic fans consider it to be a Catholic club anyway. Celtic fans sing Viva la Quinta Brigada which is a song about Irish volunteers fighting Franco but also criticises the Catholic Church in it. I suppose most Celtic fans will be Catholic but I don't think it really reflects in their politics. 

 

Celtic and Rangers are both as bad as each other but Rangers have more issues with religion whereas Celtic's issues are more with politics and Irish Independence. Socialism was always a big thing for Irish Republicans hence the goon brigades activism. 

 

 

Good post and definitely my experience of Celtic fans I know.  Tend to have left wing, socialist politics, which I quite agree with actually.  But then the ones I know are a bit more erudite than the other 99% of them, who are basically halfwits who don't know what they're waving!  They're pals cos we get along and happen to be Celtic fans, much like Hibs and Aberdeen fans, non football mates and even a token hun!

 

Thing that gets me with Celtic (and Barca tbf) is all this socialist stuff.  Socialism, at its heart is an economic model.  Their clubs are very much the elite who keep their proleteriat down in their countries.  Happy to vote with their supposed political polar enemy on issues to stem the spread of wealth and certainly don't believe in a centralised fund or anything like it.  They want all they can get, and its theirs and only theirs.  They happily step over the minnows, which in Scotland is every single other club.  They partake in hugely capitalist ventures, happy to monetise anything and everything, right down to sectarianism and the very left wing beliefs which they're selling out.

 

None of it adds up, but ther irony seems totally lost.

 

I hate Rangers just as much, potentially more, but at the very least, you know what you're getting with them!!!  They're right wing dictators and proud!  You know where you stand.

 

None of this has anything to do with religion, by the way.  I find the OP a bit misinformed in truth.  The OP admits this tbf and hopefully is genuinely looking for input and info on the subject rather than looking to disparage a religon.  You can be any religion and hold any political belief you want.  I know gay muslims, who very much believe in women's right etc, they're no less muslim than any of their fellows.  I certainly know plenty catholic socialists!  That hun I mentioned up there is also a good lefty!  That's even more mind blowing!haha

[the posh bit]

1 hour ago, Heartsfth said:

Celtic are owned by an Irish Billionaire and refuse to become Living Wage accredited. 

 

Whilst there has been much stereotyping of Celtic fans on this thread, this post is very real. 

 

The Green Brigade, a small section of a massive world-wide support will be a voice for any and all socialist causes throughout the world yet can’t even tidy up its own bedroom. 

[dannymack]

[Spellczech]

Why would you care about their politics? Football should be an escape from all that...

[Tazio]

Just now, Spellczech said:

Why would you care about their politics? Football should be an escape from all that...

Indeed. The idea that your politics are decided by the team you support, or vice versa, is quite pathetic. 

[Dirkdiggler77]

17 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Indeed. The idea that your politics are decided by the team you support, or vice versa, is quite pathetic. 

 

Agreed but they are special example because their whole identity is based around being a religious club, there are only a handful in Europe and Celtic are often the most well known

 

So if your known as the 'Catholic Club' but your supporters are doing very uncatholic things its a bit of a joke isn't it

[Psychedelicropcircle]

Get this shite in the shed!

[Polonia Gorgie]

18 minutes ago, dannymack said:

I wonder what year this was? 

[i8hibsh]

Celtic fans make sure they wear a badge and wave a banner for every 'good cause' they associate with. If a Celtic fan helped an old lady with her shopping bags the ***** would print a badge about it.

[Locky]

My knowledge isn't the best with these things, but weren't the IRA somewhat allies to the Nazi party in the war(s)?

 

It's the biggest, most contradictive crap anyone can swallow. Anything Rangers do, Celtic do the opposite. So seems to me like someone, one day, decided 'here, know how they huns are pure right wing anawat, well hows aboot we be like gen up left wing anat?'

[EIEIO]

Celtic are a bit like a magpie and steal shiny things that they find attractive :- 

their original anthem it's a grand old team to play for - stolen from Everton;

Their current anthem you'll never walk alone - stolen from Liverpool;

More than a club motto - stolen from Barca (another bunch of hypocrits).

Their latest foray into politics eg  anti fascism and support for Palenstine (things I agree with) are to try and make them look like a activist club like St Pauli and broaden their appeal.

As others have said they are owned by an Irish billionaire tax dodger. Previous chairmen have been former Bank of England board members ,  Lord Reid (one of Tony Blairs cohort of War criminals), the former speaker of the House of Commons Michael Martin was a big fan not to mention Tory Rod Stewart.

Supporting Celtic does not make you edgy its second,  but only marginally, to Rangers as being the Establishment club in Scotland. 

[jack D and coke]

2 hours ago, pablo said:

 

A lot of them appear to be fantasists who don't realise that their club is the establishment who they claim to detest.

 

Tbf I've met quite a few decent Celtic fans. 

It’s like most supporters. Individually most are fine but in a group they’re a right bunch of *****. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by jack D and coke

[jack D and coke]

I’d there’s one thing I’d love to change about Scotland it’s the OF. 
Both sides are an utter cancer. 
 

[Debut 4]

It’s all bullshite.  

 

All their shite and moral crusading just massages their ego about the club they support. It’s actually got worse over the years.  Everyone on the outside just cringes but they think it’s special and original.  
 

Anyway, I thought the Green Brigade would’ve still been hidden away after embarrassing themselves when taking on Dad’s Army from the Tynie Arms before last seasons opener….👀

[been here before]

I've oft called and considered Sellick fans to be many things, none of them complimentary to any decent, fair minded person.

 

Left wing isn't even close to having entered my thoughts.

Edited October 27, 2022 by been here before

[briever]

7 hours ago, Dirkdiggler77 said:

This confuses me a little bit but Celtic are always banded in with clubs like St Pauli and Livorno as as somewhat Antifa clubs but the thing i don't understand is that Celtic are a Catholic club, is there not a slight contradiction there?

 

Catholics are usually associated with Right wing old school traditions and not somewhere you would find LGTB flags waving around, most of these new progressive initiatives are usually angled to undermine Christianity

Isn't Communism the Enemy of Catholicism?

Sorry if i sound ignorant it's just something that has always bothered me

(Note i have asked this on Celtic Board and reddit before and got my account closed within minutes)

 

Catholicism is different in each society IMO, for example it's the establishment and oppressive religion in South America, Spain etc, but in countries where it's in the minority it reflects the economic situation of its flock.

[HeartsandonlyHearts]

8 hours ago, Dirkdiggler77 said:

This confuses me a little bit but Celtic are always banded in with clubs like St Pauli and Livorno as as somewhat Antifa clubs but the thing i don't understand is that Celtic are a Catholic club, is there not a slight contradiction there?

 

Catholics are usually associated with Right wing old school traditions and not somewhere you would find LGTB flags waving around, most of these new progressive initiatives are usually angled to undermine Christianity

Isn't Communism the Enemy of Catholicism?

Sorry if i sound ignorant it's just something that has always bothered me

(Note i have asked this on Celtic Board and reddit before and got my account closed within minutes)

The idiot type Celtic fans have absolutely no idea what they stand for.

They’re sheep.

[N Lincs Jambo]

2 hours ago, Locky said:

My knowledge isn't the best with these things, but weren't the IRA somewhat allies to the Nazi party in the war(s)?

 

It's the biggest, most contradictive crap anyone can swallow. Anything Rangers do, Celtic do the opposite. So seems to me like someone, one day, decided 'here, know how they huns are pure right wing anawat, well hows aboot we be like gen up left wing anat?'

 

Loosely I believe. Basically the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Would have been a laugh for them, swap British Imperialism for German (Nazi) Imperialism and play a key role in achieving it. Idiots.

[Rudy T]

It’s just inbred in them, try a social experiment with one of them, tell him you think Celtic are decent team play good football, that rangers are rubbish and Ange is a good manager he’ll be all over you, then mention you’re a Hearts fan and watch him turn, sidey comments and loosely disguised insults and references to being rangers cousins while still pretending to be your best pal. They’re the most two faced sneaky horrible set of fans I know. How their PR machine has managed to spin this greatest fan mantra is actually quite impressive, I’d  love an under cover documentary following the green brigade to come out so the world could see the truth.

[The Gorgie]

They are a strange bunch. They hate each other as they can't agree on what is the right songs to sing. The ***** brigade & a break away group called, I think, The Bhoys are having a bit of a disagreement. One wants to sing irish, IRA, anti British stuff. The other wants to sing about some other shite that I can quite remember. Been told this from my cousin who is a season ticket holder at that dump.

[Locky]

21 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said:

 

Loosely I believe. Basically the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Would have been a laugh for them, swap British Imperialism for German (Nazi) Imperialism and play a key role in achieving it. Idiots.

The other thought I had, which is definitely more of an opinion than a fact, is, is the poppy not seen as a symbol of anti-fascism? I get why in Ireland the poppy might not be seen that way, but a classic case of Celtic fans changing the narrative to suit their own agenda.

[briever]

2 minutes ago, Locky said:

The other thought I had, which is definitely more of an opinion than a fact, is, is the poppy not seen as a symbol of anti-fascism? I get why in Ireland the poppy might not be seen that way, but a classic case of Celtic fans changing the narrative to suit their own agenda.

 

The poppy has been utterly debased by the flag shaggers.

[Jambos_1874]

**** Celtic. Apologies I can't contribute more to this thread.

[John Findlay]

7 hours ago, Robbies Tackle said:

They see them more of themselves as a group of freedom fights as opposed to Catholics these days.  They also have to be the complete opposite of everything Rangers who are far right Royalist Unionists. Why they started voting SNP and despite the policiesRangers fans all vote Tory.  Pure pathetic but you try reasoning and either half then see you as an enemy. 

Excuse me. What a load of claptrap.

Alot of Sevco supporters/followers, are Labour supporters, they even vote SNP.

To say all Sevco supporters vote Tory is just ignorant nonsense.

Celtic, despite alot of non-Celtic supporters, believing that the Green Brigade, represent the Celtic support as a whole, nothing could be further from the truth. The Labour Party in Scotland has many a Celtic supporter at its top table, there are Celtic supporters who vote Tory. Yes they cling to their Irish roots, but I can assure you many a Celtic supporter have served in HM Forces and been proud to do so, I served with quite a few Celtic supporters in the Royal Navy, and I know plenty others who have served in both the Army and RAF.

Believe me there are many Celtic supporters who want rid of the Green Brigade and all the baggage they bring with them. Just so happens the Green Brigade sing and shout the loudest and therefore get noticed the most.

At the Haymarket remembrance service in the last few years, Danny McGrain has lay a wreath on behalf of Celtic football club, and it was Celtic football club who played us in a match to raise funds for the clock memorial at Haymarket.

Although the Sevco support and the Celtic support may profess hate for each other in public, its all a sham, even a bigger sham at boardroom level.

They have been carving up Scottish football between themselves since 1909.

Celtic Football Club are just as much apart of the Scottish establishment as any other Scottish football club, especially their ugly twin over the other side of the River Clyde in Govan.

[XB52]

4 hours ago, Dirkdiggler77 said:

 

Agreed but they are special example because their whole identity is based around being a religious club, there are only a handful in Europe and Celtic are often the most well known

 

So if your known as the 'Catholic Club' but your supporters are doing very uncatholic things its a bit of a joke isn't it

What about their bigot blue brothers? I await your diatribe about them with eagerness. Meanwhile, come on mods, shed surely 

[redjambo]

Like moody teenagers, they just want to be rebels against the "system" despite, ironically, being part of the system they want to destroy, and a despicable part at that given the bile and hatred they continually pump into Scottish society. Rebels around the world and their causes are mostly left-wing, and thus Celtic fans are seen as left-wing as well. I wouldn't read too much into it. They don't really identify with any of the causes they purport to identify, they just want further reasons to get their edgy rebelliousness out there. For the sake of Scottish society, I hope that one day they and their bigot brothers on the other side of the footballing divide will finally grow up. They're holding this country back, big time.

[BlueRiver]

9 hours ago, Dirkdiggler77 said:

Perhaps it's different from Country to country but i know that in Italy/Spain and Eastern Europe the Far Right are deeply religious 

 

Even America now. Many prominent Republicans are Roman Catholics. 

[dannymack]

4 hours ago, Polonia Gorgie said:

I wonder what year this was? 

 

[BlueRiver]

25 minutes ago, XB52 said:

What about their bigot blue brothers? I await your diatribe about them with eagerness. Meanwhile, come on mods, shed surely 

Why is no one allowed to pose questions about Celtic without someone asking what about Rangers? 
 

Maybe he’s asking because he’s wondering and curious. To declare it a “diatribe”. Calm down. They’re quite clearly heavily associated with being an Irish and Catholic club. 

[Dennis Denuto]

You would expect anyone with true Christian beliefs to be more socialist/left leaning in their political views wouldn't you??