Sooks Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Exactly! But he also knew Robbie would be good too ………….. I suppose it is all about balance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 13 hours ago, Riccarton3 said: Surely you mean on and off the pitch. Almost 40 years of domination. Manager after manager. Token wins for the Hibees. All the big wins for Hearts. That's the record. I doubt Robbie will lose any sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 9 hours ago, Ex member of the SaS said: he bottled out of the most important game What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 16 hours ago, Smoked-Glass said: Thinks it will strengthen hibs this year. Anyone hear the podcast? LJ has dreams and plans about how to run the H1b5. It might apply to a well run club that can accommodate an ambitious young manager...but not H1b5. I predict he will quickly succome and be dragged down by the badly the Hibernian way. I know where this thread will have gone (I've only read the OP so far!!) and probably quite rightly as I'm nae Levein fan and never have been. I do however think Lee Johnson is probably quite capable. I think I suggested him as a name for us at one point in the last couple of years, I have to admit. He's not the problem at Hibs, though. And those problems are vast and deep rooted. Was speaking to a couple of level headed Hibbies at the weekend and be under no illusion, those cats are shitting it about the whole set up and where it's leading. Even if the Gordon's stepped away and gave Johnson the reigns and control over the lot, does he have the minerals for that? Not sure. Think he looks a decent coach, he's meant to be a decent lad actually, despite all the Brent stuff. But does he have the personality to turn something like that round, even unhindered - to turn that rabble in to a team and squad? Doesn't feel likely. If he gets McGeady, that's a step as he'd be a Johnson "guy" but how will the rest of the neds, bairns and jumped up nomarks react to being told what to do??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Oh goody a CL thread. And a chance to slag him. A good few on this will be like..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, TheBigO said: I know where this thread will have gone (I've only read the OP so far!!) and probably quite rightly as I'm nae Levein fan and never have been. I do however think Lee Johnson is probably quite capable. I think I suggested him as a name for us at one point in the last couple of years, I have to admit. He's not the problem at Hibs, though. And those problems are vast and deep rooted. Was speaking to a couple of level headed Hibbies at the weekend and be under no illusion, those cats are shitting it about the whole set up and where it's leading. Even if the Gordon's stepped away and gave Johnson the reigns and control over the lot, does he have the minerals for that? Not sure. Think he looks a decent coach, he's meant to be a decent lad actually, despite all the Brent stuff. But does he have the personality to turn something like that round, even unhindered - to turn that rabble in to a team and squad? Doesn't feel likely. If he gets McGeady, that's a step as he'd be a Johnson "guy" but how will the rest of the neds, bairns and jumped up nomarks react to being told what to do??? Agreed, although I never suggested him for us, but you weren't the only one, few on here did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 10 hours ago, 4marsbars said: Once again, astonished by the lack of respect shown towards a Hearts legend who's done so much for the club. Legend is a bit much, he only played for us about 5 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 10 hours ago, 4marsbars said: Unlike all these other legends we revere who played (or managed) us for no financial reward whatsoever? Hearts are a professional football club. Your point is utterly meaningless. Much like you calling him a legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of The Cat Cafe Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Don't forget, Alan Stubbs was well regarded as a coach before he went to Easter Road. Do I need to say any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chong Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Well, Chong says Lee Johnson isn't very good. Let's see who's right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 39 minutes ago, briever said: Much like you calling him a legend. I saw him play. He's a legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 40 minutes ago, 4marsbars said: I saw him play. He's a legend. I watched his whole career at Hearts, cracking player but no legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, King Of The Cat Cafe said: Don't forget, Alan Stubbs was well regarded as a coach before he went to Easter Road. Do I need to say any more? Errrrr. He won the cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percival King Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, briever said: I watched his whole career at Hearts, cracking player but no legend. Ditto. We'll all have our own definition of what makes a player or manager a legend so I understand that some will regard Levein as a legend but I don't. And folk shouldn't interpret that as a lack of respect or appreciation for what he contributed to Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, 4marsbars said: What? It's nonsense perpetuated by Gary Mackay. The more it is repeated though the more some people treat it as fact. Particularly, when they have an agenda. By all means have a pop at CL's managerial record but to suggest that a guy who came back twice from those injuries to the detriment of his long term health lacked bottle is quite frankly offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of The Cat Cafe Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: Errrrr. He won the cup. A blip. Lost Championship playoff in 2014/15 Lost Championship playoff in 2015/16 Sacked by Rotherham after two months Departed St Mirren after less than three months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, i wish jj was my dad said: It's nonsense perpetuated by Gary Mackay. The more it is repeated though the more some people treat it as fact. Particularly, when they have an agenda. By all means have a pop at CL's managerial record but to suggest that a guy who came back twice from those injuries to the detriment of his long term health lacked bottle is quite frankly offensive. We liked levein the first time round as manager. 2000-2004. Few great seasons in there with the Fuller, 5-1, Phil stamp, Austin McCann, Braga etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Percival King said: Ditto. We'll all have our own definition of what makes a player or manager a legend so I understand that some will regard Levein as a legend but I don't. And folk shouldn't interpret that as a lack of respect or appreciation for what he contributed to Hearts. I think an essential to qualify as a legend is either you’ve won something OR you’ve set some kind of tangible record for appearances or goals. Levein didn’t really achieve that much of a tangible nature IMO not a legend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: I think an essential to qualify as a legend is either you’ve won something OR you’ve set some kind of tangible record for appearances or goals. Levein didn’t really achieve that much of a tangible nature IMO not a legend If we take a Legend to be a ‘famous or notorious person in a particular field’ then Craig probably counts on both definitions. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Always think back to this post of a Sunderland forum by a Bristol City fan, someone posted it on kickback when LJ was first mooted for Hibs. https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/lee-johnson.1534270/post-32844346 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, davemclaren said: If we take a Legend to be a ‘famous or notorious person in a particular field’ then Craig probably counts on both definitions. 😄 If you feel he’s a legend, then he’s a legend. It’s a personal opinion I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: If you feel he’s a legend, then he’s a legend. It’s a personal opinion I guess. It is indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, JimmyCant said: I think an essential to qualify as a legend is either you’ve won something OR you’ve set some kind of tangible record for appearances or goals. Levein didn’t really achieve that much of a tangible nature IMO not a legend Best outfield player in my lifetime. Man of match in our last world Cup win. Twice came back from injuries that in those days would normally end your career and was still our best player after recovery. Player, captain, manager, DOF over 20 odd years. Other than his last 3 or 4 at the club he was a big success. That qualifies IMO. As do Robbo and Gary Mackay despite their similarly 'modest' haul of honours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, JimmyCant said: I think an essential to qualify as a legend is either you’ve won something OR you’ve set some kind of tangible record for appearances or goals. Levein didn’t really achieve that much of a tangible nature IMO not a legend So you can be a legend by being bang average, by being so shit that you never attract a bid from another bigger club and never win anything. Not much of a legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 Just now, Malinga the Swinga said: So you can be a legend by being bang average, by being so shit that you never attract a bid from another bigger club and never win anything. Not much of a legend. Being a hearts supporter helps the legend status Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: Best outfield player in my lifetime. Man of match in our last world Cup win. Twice came back from injuries that in those days would normally end your career and was still our best player after recovery. Player, captain, manager, DOF over 20 odd years. Other than his last 3 or 4 at the club he was a big success. That qualifies IMO. As do Robbo and Gary Mackay despite their similarly 'modest' haul of honours. Robbo is legend, other two are decent Hearts players. No more, no less. Appreciate legend status easier to achieve of bar set low, but then again, it should be so high that few can attain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Levein is a slavering erse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Robbo is legend, other two are decent Hearts players. No more, no less. Appreciate legend status easier to achieve of bar set low, but then again, it should be so high that few can attain. I think record goal scorer and record number of appearances are legend status at any club as there can only be one of each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percival King Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 30 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: So you can be a legend by being bang average, by being so shit that you never attract a bid from another bigger club and never win anything. Not much of a legend. It's so subjective and probably contradictory as well. There was probably nothing Paulo Sergio did as Hearts manager to be viewed as a legend apart from deliver arguably the greatest, or most famous, result, our history which in some fans view (including mine) is enough to transform him into a legend. There are Hearts managers with a better record than him that probably no-one would argue are legends. Perhaps not fair but that's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Smoked-Glass said: I think record goal scorer and record number of appearances are legend status at any club as there can only be one of each. Unless they're shared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 8 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said: Oh goody a CL thread. And a chance to slag him. A good few on this will be like..... ...and an equal opportunity, Baz, for his dedicated followers to defend him. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 A wonderful player and done well in his first stint as manager. Giving him the DOF job and all that entailed was a mistake. Despite what many think how it ended will gnaw away at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Unless they're shared Yup 🍾 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 42 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: A wonderful player and done well in his first stint as manager. Giving him the DOF job and all that entailed was a mistake. Despite what many think how it ended will gnaw away at him. Sums it up. Sometimes stubbornness is a fantastic trait in a manager and sometimes it’s not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Robbo is legend, other two are decent Hearts players. No more, no less. Appreciate legend status easier to achieve of bar set low, but then again, it should be so high that few can attain. I think Levein was a wee bit more than a decent player. Gary was a good player. Levein was an outstanding player. If we see a better outfield player for Hearts in my lifetime I will be delighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuckerCarlsonsToupee Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 23 hours ago, 4marsbars said: Unlike all these other legends we revere who played (or managed) us for no financial reward whatsoever? Hearts are a professional football club. Your point is utterly meaningless. The point I was responding to was that Craig Levein had done things for Hearts. He did no more for Hearts than any other employee of the club. That is to say he did what he was paid to do. Just like Danny Swanson or Malofeev. Other Hearts legends are, arguably, afforded greater reverence by people like me because they won things, they seemed to genuinely care for the club, managed not to appoint Ian Cathro as manager and didn’t have designs on appointing that other peculiar chap as manager. All about opinions. Mine are no more meaningless than yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuckerCarlsonsToupee Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 23 hours ago, Robbies Tackle said: He could have moved as player and manager for a lot more money. He didn’t move as a player because nobody made a bid for him. He did move as a manger for exactly the amount of money the market felt he was worth and to the only club who were interested enough to make him that offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 He also thought cathro, damour and Connor sammon were good so not too worried about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 13 hours ago, TuckerCarlsonsToupee said: All about opinions. Mine are no more meaningless than yours. No more meaningless? That's debatable. I generally don't provide spurious reasons to justify my preferences. But yes, it is all about opinions and I'm very happy to differ. Craig Levein would almost certainly be in my top five Hearts players of the last half century. He was that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: He also thought cathro, damour and Connor sammon were good so not too worried about that He also has some pishy wee role at some diddy Highland League team. Anything he slavers goes straight in shit tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 He also thought Loic Damour was a good player. This is great news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 20/06/2022 at 07:59, Bazzas right boot said: Oh goody a CL thread. And a chance to slag him. A good few on this will be like..... Tosh jumping in to support CL! 🤣 Once a Levein fanboy always a Levein fanboy…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 19/06/2022 at 22:42, Robbies Tackle said: I was told he turned down Rangers. Second time around wasn't great no. But I won't use that to hold it against a guy that gave a great part of his life contributing to our football club. He supports HMFC and done his best. He supports Raith Rovers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) Too far out a comment for this thread Edited June 21, 2022 by rudi must stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Thomaso said: He supports Raith Rovers He loves hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 19/06/2022 at 15:21, Sooks said: He also thought Cathro would be a good manager and Daly was lined up for our gig too And that guy Neilson 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 7 hours ago, Ainsley Harriott said: He also thought cathro, damour and Connor sammon were good so not too worried about that and Paul Hartley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, H2 said: and Paul Hartley Fire enough bullets you're sure to hit something at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 19/06/2022 at 15:21, Sooks said: He also thought Cathro would be a good manager and Daly was lined up for our gig too This Great player Shite manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Fire enough bullets you're sure to hit something at some point It's a fact, Andy Webster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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