Deloittes review into Scottish football…

[BelgeJambo]

Deloitte are Shoitte

[Footballfirst]

https://www.afc.co.uk/2022/08/15/shared-vision-and-strategy-paves-way-for-dramatic-uplift-in-scottish-football-revenues/

 

Publication due?

 

The five Scottish Premiership clubs, who commissioned an independent review into the SPFL, today welcomed the action plan to significantly increase distributable income to Scottish clubs from £28.4 million to £50 million by 2029.

 

They believe this shared vision and set of goals to lift the Scottish game signals the beginning of a new era for Scottish football.

SPFL member clubs – Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart of Midlothian and Hibernian – commissioned Deloitte’s Sports Business Group to undertake a “critical and transparent” review of the SPFL in 2021. As a follow up to the report, an innovation and strategy group within the SPFL, was tasked by the board to explore strategic actionable steps on how the findings in the review could be achieved. This group, comprising representatives from Aberdeen, Celtic, Hearts, Hibernian and Rangers, has now developed a five-year strategic action plan to implement the recommendations. This plan has been presented to all premiership clubs and secured overwhelming support on the direction of travel.

The over-arching purpose is a realignment of the SPFL from a largely administrative function to a more robust and dynamic commercial structure.

The strategic priorities are to maximise broadcast income and grow commercial partnerships and revenues. This will include securing more commercially attractive deals with broadcasters and increasing the value of overseas rights which would see more matches being sold.

Improving the image, brand and profile of the SPFL is also a priority with the ambition to position the league both domestically and internationally as the “most dramatic, passionate and exciting” in Europe and to strengthen co-operation between clubs and the league.

Other goals are to improve the profile, prowess and finances of the women’s elite game in Scotland and to establish a sustainable youth development competitions’ programme for SPFL clubs with the aim of nurturing young Scottish talent more effectively.

On behalf of the five clubs, Ron Gordon – chairman of Hibernian FC, said: “We’re very excited about this strategic action plan which sets a new tone and direction for the SPFL and the game in Scotland.

“The proposed strategic building blocks are designed to grow our clubs, the SPFL, and the men’s and women’s game at every level.

“A more substantial and comprehensive broadcast partnership, a focused and robust commercial structure and team, an investment and commitment to the growth of the women’s game, and the development of our young men’s players are all critical to reaching our aspirational goal of £50 million in revenues.

“Football is Scotland’s passion – we have a dynamic and exciting league with historic clubs and passionate fans. The image and brand of the SPFL should reflect and celebrate the many positives that our clubs and league provide our communities across the country.

“I want to thank Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart and Hibs for their investment in the review, along with Celtic and Rangers for their participation and contributions in curating and refining the actionable recommendations of the study.

“Our thanks also go to the SPFL Board and Executive for their openness, receptivity and leadership in exploring and driving new ideas and opportunities to help advance, promote and grow our clubs, the league and our game.”

Edited August 15, 2022 by Footballfirst

[OTT]

9 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

https://www.afc.co.uk/2022/08/15/shared-vision-and-strategy-paves-way-for-dramatic-uplift-in-scottish-football-revenues/

 

Publication due?

 

The five Scottish Premiership clubs, who commissioned an independent review into the SPFL, today welcomed the action plan to significantly increase distributable income to Scottish clubs from £28.4 million to £50 million by 2029.

 

They believe this shared vision and set of goals to lift the Scottish game signals the beginning of a new era for Scottish football.

SPFL member clubs – Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart of Midlothian and Hibernian – commissioned Deloitte’s Sports Business Group to undertake a “critical and transparent” review of the SPFL in 2021. As a follow up to the report, an innovation and strategy group within the SPFL, was tasked by the board to explore strategic actionable steps on how the findings in the review could be achieved. This group, comprising representatives from Aberdeen, Celtic, Hearts, Hibernian and Rangers, has now developed a five-year strategic action plan to implement the recommendations. This plan has been presented to all premiership clubs and secured overwhelming support on the direction of travel.

The over-arching purpose is a realignment of the SPFL from a largely administrative function to a more robust and dynamic commercial structure.

The strategic priorities are to maximise broadcast income and grow commercial partnerships and revenues. This will include securing more commercially attractive deals with broadcasters and increasing the value of overseas rights which would see more matches being sold.

Improving the image, brand and profile of the SPFL is also a priority with the ambition to position the league both domestically and internationally as the “most dramatic, passionate and exciting” in Europe and to strengthen co-operation between clubs and the league.

Other goals are to improve the profile, prowess and finances of the women’s elite game in Scotland and to establish a sustainable youth development competitions’ programme for SPFL clubs with the aim of nurturing young Scottish talent more effectively.

On behalf of the five clubs, Ron Gordon – chairman of Hibernian FC, said: “We’re very excited about this strategic action plan which sets a new tone and direction for the SPFL and the game in Scotland.

“The proposed strategic building blocks are designed to grow our clubs, the SPFL, and the men’s and women’s game at every level.

“A more substantial and comprehensive broadcast partnership, a focused and robust commercial structure and team, an investment and commitment to the growth of the women’s game, and the development of our young men’s players are all critical to reaching our aspirational goal of £50 million in revenues.

“Football is Scotland’s passion – we have a dynamic and exciting league with historic clubs and passionate fans. The image and brand of the SPFL should reflect and celebrate the many positives that our clubs and league provide our communities across the country.

“I want to thank Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart and Hibs for their investment in the review, along with Celtic and Rangers for their participation and contributions in curating and refining the actionable recommendations of the study.

“Our thanks also go to the SPFL Board and Executive for their openness, receptivity and leadership in exploring and driving new ideas and opportunities to help advance, promote and grow our clubs, the league and our game.”

The change from the SPFL from an administrative function to a commercial one suggests to me that the bowling club committee mentality is approaching an end which is good. Problem we have is the virtual super majority’s required to do anything. For any of this change to occur we need to be able to empower the SPFL to make changes and not be going back to the clubs to pass the action by circa 90%. 

[TheBigO]

3 minutes ago, OTT said:

The change from the SPFL from an administrative function to a commercial one suggests to me that the bowling club committee mentality is approaching an end which is good. Problem we have is the virtual super majority’s required to do anything. For any of this change to occur we need to be able to empower the SPFL to make changes and not be going back to the clubs to pass the action by circa 90%. 

Yup, it'll be hard to get away from and it may be that with that in mind, the top league needs to separate again.  Wouldn't be against it.

 

The way I read the move away from an administrative function though, is more that at the moment the SPFL hierarchy is simply able to hide behind "we do what the clubs tell us".  We need to governing body or leagye rep who are dynamic and commercially focused.  Who are tasked as any senior management in any modern large organisation would be with financial KPIs to hit and if they're not, they're gone.  Their main task is to deliver the financial success of the SPFL as a whole, rather than simply carry out action points from whatever agenda

[Rogue Daddy]

32 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

https://www.afc.co.uk/2022/08/15/shared-vision-and-strategy-paves-way-for-dramatic-uplift-in-scottish-football-revenues/

 

Publication due?

 

The five Scottish Premiership clubs, who commissioned an independent review into the SPFL, today welcomed the action plan to significantly increase distributable income to Scottish clubs from £28.4 million to £50 million by 2029.

 

They believe this shared vision and set of goals to lift the Scottish game signals the beginning of a new era for Scottish football.

SPFL member clubs – Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart of Midlothian and Hibernian – commissioned Deloitte’s Sports Business Group to undertake a “critical and transparent” review of the SPFL in 2021. As a follow up to the report, an innovation and strategy group within the SPFL, was tasked by the board to explore strategic actionable steps on how the findings in the review could be achieved. This group, comprising representatives from Aberdeen, Celtic, Hearts, Hibernian and Rangers, has now developed a five-year strategic action plan to implement the recommendations. This plan has been presented to all premiership clubs and secured overwhelming support on the direction of travel.

The over-arching purpose is a realignment of the SPFL from a largely administrative function to a more robust and dynamic commercial structure.

The strategic priorities are to maximise broadcast income and grow commercial partnerships and revenues. This will include securing more commercially attractive deals with broadcasters and increasing the value of overseas rights which would see more matches being sold.

Improving the image, brand and profile of the SPFL is also a priority with the ambition to position the league both domestically and internationally as the “most dramatic, passionate and exciting” in Europe and to strengthen co-operation between clubs and the league.

Other goals are to improve the profile, prowess and finances of the women’s elite game in Scotland and to establish a sustainable youth development competitions’ programme for SPFL clubs with the aim of nurturing young Scottish talent more effectively.

On behalf of the five clubs, Ron Gordon – chairman of Hibernian FC, said: “We’re very excited about this strategic action plan which sets a new tone and direction for the SPFL and the game in Scotland.

“The proposed strategic building blocks are designed to grow our clubs, the SPFL, and the men’s and women’s game at every level.

“A more substantial and comprehensive broadcast partnership, a focused and robust commercial structure and team, an investment and commitment to the growth of the women’s game, and the development of our young men’s players are all critical to reaching our aspirational goal of £50 million in revenues.

“Football is Scotland’s passion – we have a dynamic and exciting league with historic clubs and passionate fans. The image and brand of the SPFL should reflect and celebrate the many positives that our clubs and league provide our communities across the country.

“I want to thank Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart and Hibs for their investment in the review, along with Celtic and Rangers for their participation and contributions in curating and refining the actionable recommendations of the study.

“Our thanks also go to the SPFL Board and Executive for their openness, receptivity and leadership in exploring and driving new ideas and opportunities to help advance, promote and grow our clubs, the league and our game.”

 

Funny.. couldn't' help but think this read like a Job description for the 'Chief of the SPFL'. Priority 1 - eject that clown Dungcaster.

 

I like the line you've highlighted FF... almost as if the clubs involved don't rate him either.

 

[Rogue Daddy]

25 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Yup, it'll be hard to get away from and it may be that with that in mind, the top league needs to separate again.  Wouldn't be against it.

 

The way I read the move away from an administrative function though, is more that at the moment the SPFL hierarchy is simply able to hide behind "we do what the clubs tell us".  We need to governing body or leagye rep who are dynamic and commercially focused.  Who are tasked as any senior management in any modern large organisation would be with financial KPIs to hit and if they're not, they're gone.  Their main task is to deliver the financial success of the SPFL as a whole, rather than simply carry out action points from whatever agenda

This is my feeling. I've stated on here numerous times - that for there to be serious change, there would have to be a revolt of some sort that absolutely does not include the sfa/sfpl. If it does include them, it'll be diluted so far so as not to 'harm' the OF any more than it has to.

[hughesie27]

50 million by 2029 really doesn't seem that ambitious.

[Footballfirst]

15 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

50 million by 2029 really doesn't seem that ambitious.

That was my initial thought too. They should be looking for the next Sky or other contract to be providing that level of revenue.

 

It may put some pressure on Doncaster's current negotiations of a reported £30m a year extension to the Sky contract running to 2029. 

Edited August 15, 2022 by Footballfirst

[Spellczech]

Doncaster has been in his role too long. Plus he has achieved nothing of note. There is a starting observation without the consultancy fee.

[Mr Sifter]

Aberdeen have released a statement. 
 

 

Edited August 15, 2022 by Mr Sifter
Edit. Sorry, didn’t realise FF had got in first 👍🏼👍🏼

[jamboinglasgow]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

https://www.afc.co.uk/2022/08/15/shared-vision-and-strategy-paves-way-for-dramatic-uplift-in-scottish-football-revenues/

 

Publication due?

 

The five Scottish Premiership clubs, who commissioned an independent review into the SPFL, today welcomed the action plan to significantly increase distributable income to Scottish clubs from £28.4 million to £50 million by 2029.

 

They believe this shared vision and set of goals to lift the Scottish game signals the beginning of a new era for Scottish football.

SPFL member clubs – Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart of Midlothian and Hibernian – commissioned Deloitte’s Sports Business Group to undertake a “critical and transparent” review of the SPFL in 2021. As a follow up to the report, an innovation and strategy group within the SPFL, was tasked by the board to explore strategic actionable steps on how the findings in the review could be achieved. This group, comprising representatives from Aberdeen, Celtic, Hearts, Hibernian and Rangers, has now developed a five-year strategic action plan to implement the recommendations. This plan has been presented to all premiership clubs and secured overwhelming support on the direction of travel.

The over-arching purpose is a realignment of the SPFL from a largely administrative function to a more robust and dynamic commercial structure.

The strategic priorities are to maximise broadcast income and grow commercial partnerships and revenues. This will include securing more commercially attractive deals with broadcasters and increasing the value of overseas rights which would see more matches being sold.

Improving the image, brand and profile of the SPFL is also a priority with the ambition to position the league both domestically and internationally as the “most dramatic, passionate and exciting” in Europe and to strengthen co-operation between clubs and the league.

Other goals are to improve the profile, prowess and finances of the women’s elite game in Scotland and to establish a sustainable youth development competitions’ programme for SPFL clubs with the aim of nurturing young Scottish talent more effectively.

On behalf of the five clubs, Ron Gordon – chairman of Hibernian FC, said: “We’re very excited about this strategic action plan which sets a new tone and direction for the SPFL and the game in Scotland.

“The proposed strategic building blocks are designed to grow our clubs, the SPFL, and the men’s and women’s game at every level.

“A more substantial and comprehensive broadcast partnership, a focused and robust commercial structure and team, an investment and commitment to the growth of the women’s game, and the development of our young men’s players are all critical to reaching our aspirational goal of £50 million in revenues.

“Football is Scotland’s passion – we have a dynamic and exciting league with historic clubs and passionate fans. The image and brand of the SPFL should reflect and celebrate the many positives that our clubs and league provide our communities across the country.

“I want to thank Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart and Hibs for their investment in the review, along with Celtic and Rangers for their participation and contributions in curating and refining the actionable recommendations of the study.

“Our thanks also go to the SPFL Board and Executive for their openness, receptivity and leadership in exploring and driving new ideas and opportunities to help advance, promote and grow our clubs, the league and our game.”

 

The bit you highlighted, it is mad that 9 years after it was created, the SPFL only now realised that.

[OTT]

Accountability is a huge part of the reason IMO. Has Doncaster ever once answered why the game is commercially speaking in such a state? 

[Sooks]

I think the SPFL was created so that Rangers still had a say in things when they reformed and started again in what was then the SFL

[Sooks]

5 minutes ago, OTT said:

Accountability is a huge part of the reason IMO. Has Doncaster ever once answered why the game is commercially speaking in such a state? 

No he is rather bullish about how good a deal we get in fact

[TheBigO]

3 minutes ago, OTT said:

Accountability is a huge part of the reason IMO. Has Doncaster ever once answered why the game is commercially speaking in such a state? 

Two sides to this imo.  He isn't held to account professionally as the remit of the job is such that he can hide behind it and that's what needs changed.  "I was charged by the clubs to do XYZ, and I've delivered XYZ..."  That's all he needs to do to meet objective it would appear.

 

Secondly, I don't think our media have much interest in really pulling the thing apart.  They report but rarely investigate.  He gets off extremely lightly when it comes to the sms when you hold that against the general public feeling about the idiot.

 

Hopefully this is the start of us packing his bags for him.  I've no doubt whatsoever in my mind that oor Ann will be gunning for him.  Very notable she hasn't put her head above the parapet for quite some time, and it's Cormack and Gordon doing all the talking on behalf of the 5 clubs (media hoors that they are).  I think she and Andrew McKinlay will be working away, positioning to oust this slimy bucket of farts and his cohorts and bring in a professional, ambitious, effective new regime.

 

I agree with comments above I'd rather we hadn't mentioned £50M as I don't see why we're capping any income.  Compared to the deals elsewhere in Europe, ours is worth more than that.  I get £50M may be considered a win (and it would be from where we are) but not sure the value in putting that number out there is all.

[merrymac]

Be nice if Ron the Con could actually get our name right in his statement

muppet😡

[John Findlay]

1 hour ago, hughesie27 said:

50 million by 2029 really doesn't seem that ambitious.

It isn't if truth be told, and two arse cheeks from Glasgow would be wanting £45M of it.

[Saint Jambo]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

https://www.afc.co.uk/2022/08/15/shared-vision-and-strategy-paves-way-for-dramatic-uplift-in-scottish-football-revenues/

 

Publication due?

 

The five Scottish Premiership clubs, who commissioned an independent review into the SPFL, today welcomed the action plan to significantly increase distributable income to Scottish clubs from £28.4 million to £50 million by 2029.

 

They believe this shared vision and set of goals to lift the Scottish game signals the beginning of a new era for Scottish football.

SPFL member clubs – Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart of Midlothian and Hibernian – commissioned Deloitte’s Sports Business Group to undertake a “critical and transparent” review of the SPFL in 2021. As a follow up to the report, an innovation and strategy group within the SPFL, was tasked by the board to explore strategic actionable steps on how the findings in the review could be achieved. This group, comprising representatives from Aberdeen, Celtic, Hearts, Hibernian and Rangers, has now developed a five-year strategic action plan to implement the recommendations. This plan has been presented to all premiership clubs and secured overwhelming support on the direction of travel.

The over-arching purpose is a realignment of the SPFL from a largely administrative function to a more robust and dynamic commercial structure.

The strategic priorities are to maximise broadcast income and grow commercial partnerships and revenues. This will include securing more commercially attractive deals with broadcasters and increasing the value of overseas rights which would see more matches being sold.

Improving the image, brand and profile of the SPFL is also a priority with the ambition to position the league both domestically and internationally as the “most dramatic, passionate and exciting” in Europe and to strengthen co-operation between clubs and the league.

Other goals are to improve the profile, prowess and finances of the women’s elite game in Scotland and to establish a sustainable youth development competitions’ programme for SPFL clubs with the aim of nurturing young Scottish talent more effectively.

On behalf of the five clubs, Ron Gordon – chairman of Hibernian FC, said: “We’re very excited about this strategic action plan which sets a new tone and direction for the SPFL and the game in Scotland.

“The proposed strategic building blocks are designed to grow our clubs, the SPFL, and the men’s and women’s game at every level.

“A more substantial and comprehensive broadcast partnership, a focused and robust commercial structure and team, an investment and commitment to the growth of the women’s game, and the development of our young men’s players are all critical to reaching our aspirational goal of £50 million in revenues.

“Football is Scotland’s passion – we have a dynamic and exciting league with historic clubs and passionate fans. The image and brand of the SPFL should reflect and celebrate the many positives that our clubs and league provide our communities across the country.

“I want to thank Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart and Hibs for their investment in the review, along with Celtic and Rangers for their participation and contributions in curating and refining the actionable recommendations of the study.

“Our thanks also go to the SPFL Board and Executive for their openness, receptivity and leadership in exploring and driving new ideas and opportunities to help advance, promote and grow our clubs, the league and our game.”

 

Hmm...

 

Well hard to get to respond without seeing the detail. Currently no sign that fans will actually get to see the detail. But some initial thoughts based on what we have been given:

 

- £50m might not sound like a lot, but it is a more than a 75% increase. That is pretty significant as an increase, but split around 12 clubs is not going to be game changing for any one club (unless the increase in distributed using a much more egalitarian model than the current income).

 

- The 2029 timeline is at odds with the 3 to 5 year timeline for basically doubling income that Ron was talking about just three weeks ago. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/ron-gordon-teases-deloitte-review-wow-factor-as-hibs-chairman-hails-rangers-for-advancing-scottish-football-more-than-any-other-club-3782966

 

- There seems to be a domestic broadcast deal quite far down the line that will cover up to 2028/29 season. Presumably this target will be measured on the basis of whatever deal comes into effect from 2029/30 season, so I wouldn't get too excited about the idea this target means the recent negotiations with Sky are about to be disrupted.

 

- Interesting note about the role of the Old Firm. It sounds like They didn't help fund the review, but they were given a special role in 'curating and refining the actionable recommendations'. This sounds like they got to come in with a pre-emptive veto on any recommendations they didn't like, ahead of the other clubs getting to see it. That is probably a pragmatic approach but does really show how the game is run by two clubs. So don't expect any actions designed to disrupt their position in the game.

 

- Position the league as "most dramatic, passionate and exciting”!!! That has to be a joke. They came out with something similar at the start of the review and had me doubting the seriousness of the exercise. How can anyone think that a league with two winners in 37 years really believe it can be positioned as the most dramatic and exciting in Europe?

 

- The presentation of this feels more like sweeping it under the carpet than anything. There is nothing on the SPFL website or three of the five commissioning clubs' websites. Other than a target figure, there is little to nothing substantive in the announcement. Three weeks ago Ron was talking about the 'wow' that this review would bring. I'm just not seeing it.

[Bull's-eye]

"I want to thank Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart and Hibs for their investment in the review, along with Celtic and Rangers for their participation and contributions in curating and refining the actionable recommendations of the study."

 

Sorry but that just tells me everything I already knew.

Nothing changes without it 1st going through the gruesome, why would they change anything?

[Armageddon]

3 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said:

"I want to thank Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart and Hibs for their investment in the review, along with Celtic and Rangers for their participation and contributions in curating and refining the actionable recommendations of the study."

 

Sorry but that just tells me everything I already knew.

Nothing changes without it 1st going through the gruesome, why would they change anything?

 

"I want to thank Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Heart and Hibs for their investment in the review"

"along with Celtic and Rangers for their participation and contributions in curating and refining the actionable recommendations of the study"

 

So the 5 mugs pay for it while the playground bullies still have a say to control it - get them to ****.

[Mysterion]

1 minute ago, Armageddon said:

So the 5 mugs pay for it while the playground bullies still have a say to control it - get them to ****.

 

7 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said:

Nothing changes without it 1st going through the gruesome, why would they change anything?

 

Yes you are both right that it causes an ill feeling knowing that the OF have had an input to this, however pragmatism has to be the method to move things forward. 

 

We've got a situation where there are a set of recommendations, all the clubs involved have looked at them and worked out what is suitable/palatable. If we had a scenario where they announced a lot of "non starter" ideas then it would be absolutely pointless. 

 

Change has to be incremental (and sadly slow), we have to start with 3 or 4 changes now so we can progress and make the next set of changes in 5 years time.

 

Scottish football will never just jump to the best solution but taking steps to progress now will start that process.

 

 

[TheBigO]

33 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

Hmm...

 

Well hard to get to respond without seeing the detail. Currently no sign that fans will actually get to see the detail. But some initial thoughts based on what we have been given:

 

- £50m might not sound like a lot, but it is a more than a 75% increase. That is pretty significant as an increase, but split around 12 clubs is not going to be game changing for any one club (unless the increase in distributed using a much more egalitarian model than the current income).

 

- The 2029 timeline is at odds with the 3 to 5 year timeline for basically doubling income that Ron was talking about just three weeks ago. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/ron-gordon-teases-deloitte-review-wow-factor-as-hibs-chairman-hails-rangers-for-advancing-scottish-football-more-than-any-other-club-3782966

 

- There seems to be a domestic broadcast deal quite far down the line that will cover up to 2028/29 season. Presumably this target will be measured on the basis of whatever deal comes into effect from 2029/30 season, so I wouldn't get too excited about the idea this target means the recent negotiations with Sky are about to be disrupted.

 

- Interesting note about the role of the Old Firm. It sounds like They didn't help fund the review, but they were given a special role in 'curating and refining the actionable recommendations'. This sounds like they got to come in with a pre-emptive veto on any recommendations they didn't like, ahead of the other clubs getting to see it. That is probably a pragmatic approach but does really show how the game is run by two clubs. So don't expect any actions designed to disrupt their position in the game.

 

- Position the league as "most dramatic, passionate and exciting”!!! That has to be a joke. They came out with something similar at the start of the review and had me doubting the seriousness of the exercise. How can anyone think that a league with two winners in 37 years really believe it can be positioned as the most dramatic and exciting in Europe?

 

- The presentation of this feels more like sweeping it under the carpet than anything. There is nothing on the SPFL website or three of the five commissioning clubs' websites. Other than a target figure, there is little to nothing substantive in the announcement. Three weeks ago Ron was talking about the 'wow' that this review would bring. I'm just not seeing it.

It'd filter of course, but say that "extra" £20M on the current deal brought us £1M extra a year (assuming we're 3rd type thing).  That's essentially 20 players getting £1k/wk more.  That's highly significant to where we're at.

 

For a second assuming players are commodities, and you actually get what you pay for.  That would improve the quality of squad player by something like 50-100% and our top players by, say 20%.  That's a real improvement. (ie squad player worth £1.5k/wk we now have guys on £2.5k, top players on £5k, we can now go a step further and get guys on £6-7k)

 

If Ross County for £600k per year more, and it was put to player wage, a similar uplift is possible.

 

An extra £20m in our game would in theory be quite a lift in on field quality.

[Saint Jambo]

4 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

It'd filter of course, but say that "extra" £20M on the current deal brought us £1M extra a year (assuming we're 3rd type thing).  That's essentially 20 players getting £1k/wk more.  That's highly significant to where we're at.

 

For a second assuming players are commodities, and you actually get what you pay for.  That would improve the quality of squad player by something like 50-100% and our top players by, say 20%.  That's a real improvement. (ie squad player worth £1.5k/wk we now have guys on £2.5k, top players on £5k, we can now go a step further and get guys on £6-7k)

 

If Ross County for £600k per year more, and it was put to player wage, a similar uplift is possible.

 

An extra £20m in our game would in theory be quite a lift in on field quality.

 

An extra £1m would represent about a 6.7% increase on our income in 2018/19. By 2029 I'd expect an extra £1m to represent an even smaller percentage of our turnover. Lots of our costs will of course also have increased in that time.

 

Looking at the financial model, the team in third gets 9.5% of revenue, so potentially more like £1.9m. Even that would be a 12.7% increase, based on other income remaining at 2019 levels. Would it be nice? Yes. Would it be game changing? No.

[TheBigO]

Just now, Saint Jambo said:

 

An extra £1m would represent about a 6.7% increase on our income in 2018/19. By 2029 I'd expect an extra £1m to represent an even smaller percentage of our turnover. Lots of our costs will of course also have increased in that time.

 

Looking at the financial model, the team in third gets 9.5% of revenue, so potentially more like £1.9m. Even that would be a 12.7% increase, based on other income remaining at 2019 levels. Would it be nice? Yes. Would it be game changing? No.

Depends what you call game changing mate.  Thanks for the figures, better fag packet than mine!!!

 

To me, game changing is any substantial increase in our playing budget - that's what I really care about and the rest of what the club does is all aimed at that as far as I'm concerned.  So while it may only be a 6.7% increase to our income (or 12.7% as you say), if it's put directly to our wage bill, it'll be a larger percentage increase on the part of the P&L.  Does that make sense??

 

What's our player wage bill??  Would a guess at around £4m be about right!?!?  So another £1m put directly to it is a 25% increase.  That IS significant.

 

Of course, all ridiculously rudimentary as to bring players in you need signing on fees, perhaps fees, and the jazz that goes with it.  But if clubs like Hearts are in rude health, as we are, there is no real reason additional income shouldn't go straight to the squad.

Not saying we settle for £50M, or £1m per club or whatever, but just showing how little a pleb like Doncaster would need to do to actually have a positive effect and he's done the square root of heehaw.

[Bull's-eye]

Game changing is making the product more appealing to outside investment.

 

Changing the league structure is an absolute must, 12 teams is boring, repetitive, stale and that's not mentioning the split that is ridiculed by everyone in the world.

 

As it suits the gruesome because competition is out the window, nothing will change. Ever.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

Talk is cheap. Will await the action now, as others have said Doncaster is hardly pro active, until this point, neither have the clubs been, be interesting to see if they can be collaborative, but fully expect that not to be the case when push comes to shove

[gnasher75]

So 5 clubs - Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Hearts and Hibs - have paid for this piece of work to be done, which is what they also pay Neil Doncaster to do.

 

The report has then been considered by three of the five, Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs plus Rangers and Celtic - why??? - to turn it into a workable proposal and get rid of anything that would not be in the interests of the big two.

 

And Neil Doncaster has thanked everyone for doing his job for him and will now take the credit for any new ideas and additional revenue.

 

Is that right?

[gnasher75]

From the Herald:

 

Representatives from Aberdeen, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs and Rangers developed a five-year strategic plan to implement the recommendations with the plan presented to all Scottish Premiership clubs and receiving "overwhelming support".

 

Neil Doncaster, chief executive of the SPFL , said: “On behalf of the SPFL, I would like to thank Aberdeen, Celtic, Dundee, Dundee United, Hearts, Hibernian and Rangers for their constructive approach and their investment of time, money and expertise into this project, which will underpin the League’s strategy over the coming years.

 

“Their valuable work will undoubtedly enable the League to bring in additional commercial revenues for the benefit of all 42 SPFL Member Clubs and for Scottish football as a whole. It is an exciting time for the game.”

[RustyRightPeg]

4 minutes ago, gnasher75 said:

So 5 clubs - Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Hearts and Hibs - have paid for this piece of work to be done, which is what they also pay Neil Doncaster to do.

 

The report has then been considered by three of the five, Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs plus Rangers and Celtic - why??? - to turn it into a workable proposal and get rid of anything that would not be in the interests of the big two.

 

And Neil Doncaster has thanked everyone for doing his job for him and will now take the credit for any new ideas and additional revenue.

 

Is that right?

Yes. 
 

Whether that incompetent buffoon can implement said procedures is another thing, as shown with the rumoured new TV deal. 

[Saint Jambo]

1 hour ago, TheBigO said:

Depends what you call game changing mate.  Thanks for the figures, better fag packet than mine!!!

 

To me, game changing is any substantial increase in our playing budget - that's what I really care about and the rest of what the club does is all aimed at that as far as I'm concerned.  So while it may only be a 6.7% increase to our income (or 12.7% as you say), if it's put directly to our wage bill, it'll be a larger percentage increase on the part of the P&L.  Does that make sense??

 

What's our player wage bill??  Would a guess at around £4m be about right!?!?  So another £1m put directly to it is a 25% increase.  That IS significant.

 

Of course, all ridiculously rudimentary as to bring players in you need signing on fees, perhaps fees, and the jazz that goes with it.  But if clubs like Hearts are in rude health, as we are, there is no real reason additional income shouldn't go straight to the squad.

Not saying we settle for £50M, or £1m per club or whatever, but just showing how little a pleb like Doncaster would need to do to actually have a positive effect and he's done the square root of heehaw.

 

I get what you are saying. I think my definition of game changing would be more dramatic.

 

In 2018/19 our overall expenditure of wages was around £8.8m. I'm not sure how much of that is first team player wages, but I'd imagine a good chunk of it. So £1m extra if purely spent on wages would be a reasonably significant change. Although it is worth remembering this is in 7 years time, during which inflation is likely to drive up wages and other costs, as well as hopefully other income streams.

 

It turns out my source for the distribution of income was out of date. The team in third actually gets 8.25% of income. First gets 13.4% and second 9.6%. So the financial distribution model of league income is not the key driver of the financial disparity between the OF and the rest. The increase in revenue projected in this review won't significantly address that disparity.

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

Sounds like a bit of a fudge to me - not surprising for Deloitte to be honest.

 

It just so happens they think they can increase commerciality from (or by) 2029, which just happens to be the end date of the alleged new deal with Sky.

 

All a bit too convenient - it shouldn’t take 7 years to do what they have recommended…

 

All these review corporates just get money for old rope - this report we have paid for will just be regurgitated from a previous review for another sport/league/country with geographical amendements.

[DETTY29]

Guess which two clubs will veto any meaningful changes?

Edited August 15, 2022 by DETTY29

[The Old Tolbooth]

Even if we do get the money up to £50M, that means that the bigot brothers will pocket around £44M of that, hold me back! 

 

If they don't vote in favour of it then that means the other clubs are looking for a much fairer distribution of the cash, they moan about having no competition in Scotland, and then stifle it by being greedy *****!! 

[Footballfirst]

5 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said:

Even if we do get the money up to £50M, that means that the bigot brothers will pocket around £44M of that, hold me back! 

 

If they don't vote in favour of it then that means the other clubs are looking for a much fairer distribution of the cash, they moan about having no competition in Scotland, and then stifle it by being greedy *****!! 

The Premiership champions get 13.4% of the cash and the runner-up gets 9.6%, nowhere near the combined 88% that you suggest.

[Jamboross]

6 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said:

Even if we do get the money up to £50M, that means that the bigot brothers will pocket around £44M of that, hold me back! 

 

If they don't vote in favour of it then that means the other clubs are looking for a much fairer distribution of the cash, they moan about having no competition in Scotland, and then stifle it by being greedy *****!! 

 

Not even close to being true. If the SPFL has a distributal income of £50m to be split between the 42 clubs then Celtic and Rangers, assuming they finish 1st and 2nd, would take £11.5m between them. 3rd (hopefully us) would take £4.12m.

 

It'd be a pretty sizeable and welcome boost but we should be aiming higher.

[Lone Striker]

1 hour ago, gnasher75 said:

So 5 clubs - Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Hearts and Hibs - have paid for this piece of work to be done, which is what they also pay Neil Doncaster to do.

 

The report has then been considered by three of the five, Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs plus Rangers and Celtic - why??? - to turn it into a workable proposal and get rid of anything that would not be in the interests of the big two.

 

And Neil Doncaster has thanked everyone for doing his job for him and will now take the credit for any new ideas and additional revenue.

 

Is that right?

Pretty much.    Doncaster's response could be seen as  starting Scottish football's version of  Operation : Save Big Dog after Partygate at Number 10.     Hopefully with a similar outcome. 😎

 

As has been mentioned above, a 10m - 20m increase in commercial  income in 7 years time (compared to now) sounds impressive - but inflation will have increased everyone's costs considerably  by then, including player wages.    Also worth noting that fairer re-distribution model is essential if the concept of on-field competition is to benefit.   Giving the biggest slice to the OF just because they win the SPL every year and have the most fans is not healthy for bread & butter competition.   The profit they make by flogging   players to England or Europe most  years dwarfs their share of commercial income, even an ehanced one.

 

 

 

[Watt-Zeefuik]

2 hours ago, gnasher75 said:

So 5 clubs - Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United, Hearts and Hibs - have paid for this piece of work to be done, which is what they also pay Neil Doncaster to do.

 

The report has then been considered by three of the five, Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs plus Rangers and Celtic - why??? - to turn it into a workable proposal and get rid of anything that would not be in the interests of the big two.

 

And Neil Doncaster has thanked everyone for doing his job for him and will now take the credit for any new ideas and additional revenue.

 

Is that right?

 

I don't imagine that Celtic and Rangers were given anything close to a veto. However, without the support of at least one of the arse cheeks (and they almost certainly wouldn't split with each other), nothing's going to happen.

 

No harm in letting them give some feedback, if small changes make it more palatable.

 

EDIT: I also meant to say that Doncaster's response seems to me more like trying to get in front of it and make it sound like it was his idea all along.

Edited August 15, 2022 by Led Tasso

[Sooks]

6 minutes ago, Led Tasso said:

 

I don't imagine that Celtic and Rangers were given anything close to a veto. However, without the support of at least one of the arse cheeks (and they almost certainly wouldn't split with each other), nothing's going to happen.

 

No harm in letting them give some feedback, if small changes make it more palatable.

 

EDIT: I also meant to say that Doncaster's response seems to me more like trying to get in front of it and make it sound like it was his idea all along.

just like he wanted to do with James Andersons generous donations 

[The Old Tolbooth]

16 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

The Premiership champions get 13.4% of the cash and the runner-up gets 9.6%, nowhere near the combined 88% that you suggest.

 

It was tongue in cheek, I do like to over exaggerate things to get the point over sometimes , the main point being that things will always be skewed in their favour financially because they know they'll always finish 1 and 2 in the league.