Russia Invades Ukraine

[John mcCartney]

Made a horlicks of that post back there,was in a hurry to go to the game earlier this moz
Heres another 2 been picked off


https://mil.in.ua/en/news/captain-involved-in-strike-on-hroza-village-blown-up-in-russia/


https://mil.in.ua/en/news/the-defense-intelligence-of-ukraine-eliminated-the-chief-of-staff-of-the-storm-ossetia-battalion/

[Jeff]

 

[escobri]

Merry Christmas to anyone celebrating today.

[Cade]

As you very well know, Ukraine moved Christmas to 25th December.

 

Try harder with your trolling next time.

[Jeffros Furios]

2 hours ago, escobri said:

Merry Christmas to anyone celebrating today.

🤡🤡🤡

[Cruyff]

 

 

[Cade]

Hop on board my electric scooter, comrade, we'll be in Kyiv by Christmas!!

 

[Cade]

Around 200 oil tankers have been hit with sanctions.

They fly under various flags, are registered in nations all over the world but are all part of Russia's sanction-busting "shadow fleet" of ships.

These sanctions will hit Russia's oil export industry hard and should have been done two years ago.

But unravelling the ownership of ships can be tricky, it's all shell companies and flags of convenience, even for legal vessels.

 

As previously mentioned, the Estonian and Finnish coastguards are working together to monitor, follow and police all shipping moving in or out of St Petersburg.

 

Yet another Russian oil tanker is adrift, this time in the Baltic just off Germany's northern coast.

[John mcCartney]

Domestically produced UKR Neptune missiles doin some damage now.......

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-ukrainian-neptune-missile-hits-russian-drone-warehouse-in-rostov-oblast-sbu-source-claims/?mc_cid=4c41d4a931&mc_eid=19aebbfbbc

[Mikey1874]

Media still obsessed with Russian gains and giving up land for a deal.

 

But Ukraine hitting a lot of Russian sites. Slightly strange not to be getting mainstream media coverage.

[Cade]

Ukraine finally managed to capture a couple of North Koreans.

Had to conduct a night time behind the lines raid to grab them.

The North Koreans have been killing their own wounded and disfiguring the corpses to prevent identification, so Ukraine decided go to specifically looking for live captives.

 

 

[Cade]

Sweden is adding 3 ships to the international coalition patrolling and monitoring the Baltic region.

 

[Cruyff]

6 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

Media still obsessed with Russian gains and giving up land for a deal.

 

But Ukraine hitting a lot of Russian sites. Slightly strange not to be getting mainstream media coverage.

I bet you my house that Ukraine will cede the land that they've lost. They have no option, they are never getting it back but they will survive and retain their Independence. 

[Cade]

If attrition rates continue as they are, the Russians will run out of equipment and men by the end of this year, then Ukraine can just walk right back into the illegally annexed lands and take them all back.

The Russians are losing more men and machines now than at any other point in the war and their deep storages are almost empty.

Their entire strategy was betting on a Trump win and that Trump would cut off all aid to Ukraine and gift them the win.

Whether that happens or not remains to be seen.

If Trump really wants to act the big man on the global stage then instead of invading allies, maybe he'll increase supply to Ukraine in return for trade deals with them.

[Mikey1874]

Amazing. Yet again Russia has shot down every Storm Shadow and ATACMS.

 

Local Russians providing the evidence.

 

 

 

 

[Cade]

Chemical plant in Bryansk hit with ATACMS. This plant was making solid rocket fuel for Russia's cruise missiles and artillery rounds.

Various other chemical and oil plants in Kazan, Rostov and Saratov were hit with long range drones. Kazan target is over 1,000km from the Ukraine border.

The aviation fuel dump at Engels airbase was also hit, destroying 800,000 gallons of aviation fuel.

 

In more tactical matters, another Russian command centre in Kursk was hit and this resulted in a loss of communication with the front line troops so all organisation fell apart and the Russians and North Koreans ended up attacking each other's positions.

[Cruyff]

On 13/01/2025 at 00:49, Cade said:

If attrition rates continue as they are, the Russians will run out of equipment and men by the end of this year, then Ukraine can just walk right back into the illegally annexed lands and take them all back.

The Russians are losing more men and machines now than at any other point in the war and their deep storages are almost empty.

Their entire strategy was betting on a Trump win and that Trump would cut off all aid to Ukraine and gift them the win.

Whether that happens or not remains to be seen.

If Trump really wants to act the big man on the global stage then instead of invading allies, maybe he'll increase supply to Ukraine in return for trade deals with them.

 

Yet NATO General Secretary Mark Rutte says, 

 

"The so-called hybrid warfare. But at the same time, when it comes to four or five years, when we look at this moment what the Russians are producing in three months, we are producing in a year. And ‘we’ is from Los Angeles up to and including Ankara, so the whole of the Alliance. And when we look at what we are spending, and the purchasing power the Russians have with the amount of money they are spending, we are really getting into difficulty if we do not ramp up the money we spent on defence and ramp up the defence industrial, defence industrial base." 

 

- 14th January 2025

 

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_232116.htm

[Cade]

What he means by that is Russia is in a full-on war economy and The West is still just pishing around the edges instead of taking this as seriously as it should be.
 

Russia is producing as much gear as it can but it's still not enough to replace the losses they're taking in Ukraine (and Kursk).

The only stuff rolling off their factories is hastily refurbished ex-soviet gear which has been sat rotting in the open elements for 40 years. The quality of their equipment is getting worse all the time. 

When it comes to tanks, they began with T-90s and T-80s but then had to start fielding T-72s then T-62s and they're even refurbing T-55s now. And the standard of those refurbs is getting poorer over time too, like no night vision gear or enhanced armour systems, just get it running and send it to the front.

IFVs is an even worse story; they're almost out of them. To preserve what they have left, they moved to launching infantry attacks in unarmoured golf carts, then quadbikes and motorbikes, and most recently civilian pick up trucks, electric scooters or just on foot.

Their heavy artillery is cannibalising old stock to provide barrels since those wear out much faster than they can make new ones.

Aircraft and Ship production is so low that it's not even worth mentioning.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

The West is asleep at the wheel. It's not just Russia attacking Ukraine, it's a coalition of Russia, Iran and North Korea.

Poland, Finland and the Baltic states are the only ones accelerating their rearming process to anywhere near what it needs to be in the face of this.

Everyone else is wasting all their time and energy arguing about trannies, abortion and immigration.

[Malinga the Swinga]

50 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

 

Yet NATO General Secretary Mark Rutte says, 

 

"The so-called hybrid warfare. But at the same time, when it comes to four or five years, when we look at this moment what the Russians are producing in three months, we are producing in a year. And ‘we’ is from Los Angeles up to and including Ankara, so the whole of the Alliance. And when we look at what we are spending, and the purchasing power the Russians have with the amount of money they are spending, we are really getting into difficulty if we do not ramp up the money we spent on defence and ramp up the defence industrial, defence industrial base." 

 

- 14th January 2025

 

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_232116.htm

NATO General Secretary or guy on jkb. I think we all know who is the real expert on this subject and it's not some random

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

from NATO.

[Taffin]

On 13/01/2025 at 00:39, Cruyff said:

I bet you my house that Ukraine will cede the land that they've lost. They have no option, they are never getting it back but they will survive and retain their Independence. 

 

Don't be silly the Russian crumble and Ukrainian march to victory is just around the corner. Same as we were told on here last year and the year before that. 

[Cruyff]

14 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Don't be silly the Russian crumble and Ukrainian march to victory is just around the corner. Same as we were told on here last year and the year before that. 

 

 

 

From the horses mouth. 

 

[Jeff]

On 13/01/2025 at 00:39, Cruyff said:

I bet you my house that Ukraine will cede the land that they've lost. They have no option, they are never getting it back but they will survive and retain their Independence. 

 

Until next time...

 

Zelensky is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiations

[Hømme]

41 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Don't be silly the Russian crumble and Ukrainian march to victory is just around the corner. Same as we were told on here last year and the year before that. 

 

Swap Russian and Ukrainian in the above sentence and it rings equally true.

[Mikey1874]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

What he means by that is Russia is in a full-on war economy and The West is still just pishing around the edges instead of taking this as seriously as it should be.
 

Russia is producing as much gear as it can but it's still not enough to replace the losses they're taking in Ukraine (and Kursk).

The only stuff rolling off their factories is hastily refurbished ex-soviet gear which has been sat rotting in the open elements for 40 years. The quality of their equipment is getting worse all the time. 

When it comes to tanks, they began with T-90s and T-80s but then had to start fielding T-72s then T-62s and they're even refurbing T-55s now. And the standard of those refurbs is getting poorer over time too, like no night vision gear or enhanced armour systems, just get it running and send it to the front.

IFVs is an even worse story; they're almost out of them. To preserve what they have left, they moved to launching infantry attacks in unarmoured golf carts, then quadbikes and motorbikes, and most recently civilian pick up trucks, electric scooters or just on foot.

Their heavy artillery is cannibalising old stock to provide barrels since those wear out much faster than they can make new ones.

Aircraft and Ship production is so low that it's not even worth mentioning.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

The West is asleep at the wheel. It's not just Russia attacking Ukraine, it's a coalition of Russia, Iran and North Korea.

Poland, Finland and the Baltic states are the only ones accelerating their rearming process to anywhere near what it needs to be in the face of this.

Everyone else is wasting all their time and energy arguing about trannies, abortion and immigration.

 

Yes. 

 

The only difference maker is drones where both are competing at the cutting edge and changing every future war. 

[Mikey1874]

2 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

Don't be silly the Russian crumble and Ukrainian march to victory is just around the corner. Same as we were told on here last year and the year before that. 

 

The West has done everything to ensure that doesn't happen. 

 

Probably overall the West is pretty happy with how it is. Just some very tricky issues to address to get peace.

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The West has done everything to ensure that doesn't happen. 

 

Probably overall the West is pretty happy with how it is. Just some very tricky issues to address to get peace.

 

Sorry, not sure if I'm picking you up correctly. Are you saying the West has done everything to ensure that Ukraine don't win the war?

[Mikey1874]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Sorry, not sure if I'm picking you up correctly. Are you saying the West has done everything to ensure that Ukraine don't win the war?

 

Yes

 

It was there to win in late 2022. But Ukraine needed the ability to strike Russia which US and Germany refused. It also needed more than the slow drip feed of arms. 

 

And that's not discussing the various agreements eg 1991 that justified NATO directly intervening.

Edited January 16 by Mikey1874

[AlimOzturk]

Pretty certain the west will be absolutely delighted with how this war has went in all honesty. A severely weakened Russia both militarily and economically, Putin weakened both physically and politically, managed to test weapons and showcase their capabilities, Finland have joined NATO, found out Russia are weaker than what we thought Militarily. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Yes

 

It was there to win in late 2022. But Ukraine needed the ability to strike Russia which US and Germany refused. It also needed more than the slow drip feed of arms. 

 

And that's not discussing the various agreements eg 1991 that justified NATO directly intervening.

 

👍

[Cade]

Sir Keef banging on about more security guarantees for Ukraine.

I hate to break it to him, but Ukraine already had security guarantees from The West and it turns out they weren't worth a shite.

There was an agreement signed in 1991 to fix the borders.

That wasn't enough for Russia so in 1994 they demanded all of Ukraine's nukes in return for those mythical Western security guarantees.

That wasn't enough for Russia so in 2014 they invaded and annexed Crimea and half of the Donbas and another agreement was signed.

But guess what? That still wasn't enough for Russia so they launched the current full scale invasion.

And some zoomers think that this time Russia absolutely 100% will be satisfied with another negotiated settlement?!

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me four times........

[AlimOzturk]

23 minutes ago, Cade said:

Sir Keef banging on about more security guarantees for Ukraine.

I hate to break it to him, but Ukraine already had security guarantees from The West and it turns out they weren't worth a shite.

There was an agreement signed in 1991 to fix the borders.

That wasn't enough for Russia so in 1994 they demanded all of Ukraine's nukes in return for those mythical Western security guarantees.

That wasn't enough for Russia so in 2014 they invaded and annexed Crimea and half of the Donbas and another agreement was signed.

But guess what? That still wasn't enough for Russia so they launched the current full scale invasion.

And some zoomers think that this time Russia absolutely 100% will be satisfied with another negotiated settlement?!

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me four times........

Can’t see Russia being in any rush to repeat the last 3 years. This time round they have had to pay a proper price for the land they have annexed. 

 

[Boab]

3 hours ago, Cade said:

Sir Keef banging on about more security guarantees for Ukraine.

I hate to break it to him, but Ukraine already had security guarantees from The West and it turns out they weren't worth a shite.

There was an agreement signed in 1991 to fix the borders.

That wasn't enough for Russia so in 1994 they demanded all of Ukraine's nukes in return for those mythical Western security guarantees.

That wasn't enough for Russia so in 2014 they invaded and annexed Crimea and half of the Donbas and another agreement was signed.

But guess what? That still wasn't enough for Russia so they launched the current full scale invasion.

And some zoomers think that this time Russia absolutely 100% will be satisfied with another negotiated settlement?!

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me four times........

A 100 year pact is Starmer’s punt !

😂

Very good ! You’ll be out on your ear in 4 years, you pompous prick !

[The Real Maroonblood]

51 minutes ago, Boab said:

A 100 year pact is Starmer’s punt !

😂

Very good ! You’ll be out on your ear in 4 years, you pompous prick !

Starmer is a cockwomble.

[Cruyff]

9 hours ago, Jeff said:

 

Until next time...

 

Zelensky is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiations

As Mikey said, NATO Countries shat the bed and were afraid of escalation in 2022.

 

Their delays in support allowed Russia to fortify positions in the South, creating Surovkin Line which proved to be impenetrable for the Ukrainians during their failed offensive. 

 

The West don't want to defeat Russia, they never have because the repercussions could be even more catastrophic. A nuclear war or a break up of Russia with thousands of unsecured Nukes dotted about autonomous regions within the Federation would be a far more terrible outcome in NATOs eyes. 

 

But to give Biden, the UK & France a bit if credit, they did give them a couple of cards in hand for negotiations by allowing long range/cruise missile strikes into Russia affecting their ability to wage war. 

 

Clearly, Ukraines incursion into the Kursk was a good play on paper but a desperate one,  allowing them to do a land swap during negotiations (if they can hold onto it) but it's proven to be quite costly as the Russians have continued to advance consistently in the South.

 

Putin was quite smart though by wasting DPRK troops instead of moving additional reserves from the South while the Ukrainians had to commit 10's of thousands of theirs when they already have a manpower shortage. Hence why NATO are seriously considering taking over Ukraines logistics in the East to free up manpower. 

 

I wouldn't underestimate Trump though. You can say what you like about him but he knows what he's doing when it comes to making a deal. He's giving nothing away.  The Americans/the West won't allow Putin a propaganda victory imo. Their goals are long term and strategic. I can see Trump threatening Putin if he doesn't play ball if his terms are bordering the ridiculous but that could escalate if it becomes a pissing contest. 

 

Of course, the Americans and the Russians are there for a reason and it's for Ukraines  resources. They have massive deposits of Coal, Oil & Gas, Nickel, Lithium and Aluminium worth trillions needed to make batteries, (hence why Musk is involved playing both sides, being mates with the Chinese Premier, Starlink etc...) much of which is in the the Oblasts controlled by Russia. 

 

But there's a flip side. Russia were always going to win a battle of attrition and Putin clearly believes he holds all the aces. IF, the Americans were to withdraw their support (because the Republicans control both houses), Ukraine is done for and all Putin really needs to do is sit tight. 

 

As you say, it's a terrible predicament for Ukraine. They're in the Wests pocket and at the mercy of the Russians. They need to decide what's more important though. Peace and their Independence as a Country or, possible capitulation and the loss of generations. Bit of a dull yin. 

[Dirty Deeds]

Do Trump's first words on the subject give Ukraine hope?

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/21/europe/analysis-trump-putin-ukraine-intl-latam

[Hagar the Horrible]

I thought Trump was going to end the war in a matter of hours?

[Mikey1874]

Russia is in a tricky position. No where near achieving his war aims which they confirmed earlier in week (weak Ukraine military, new Government). So what does he agree for an end to the war. 

[Cade]

Russia is still pursing a maximal end goal.

Keeping all 5 annexed territories, Ukraine gets a government hand picked by Putin and they have to get his approval to wipe their own bums.

 

Meanwhile on the battlefield they're getting the shite knocked out of them on a daily basis, losing more men and machines than at any other time of the war.

They're denying treatment to wounded personnel and sending them straight back to the front.

There's videos of Russian soldiers on crutches hobbling across the fields only to get blown up by drones.

It's mental.

 

Oh, and it turns out that their economy is in a worse state than previously admitted.

Private company debt has risen by 40% over the last year. This is mainly military goods supplies being forced to borrow money themselves to make the goods on the promise that the government will pay them back later (aye right).

So not only is central government borrowing up, private company debt is also way up.
Inflation is still at 9.5% and interest rates are at 21%

In the Gulf of Finland, the Finns and Estonians working together has embarrassed other nations with sea borders into action and there is now a 7-ship strong NATO flotilla in the area (Germany, Denmark, Poland, Netherlands have all sent ships).
This is mainly to conduct surveillance on all maritime traffic in the area and also check on the condition of undersea infrastructure. Also a minesweeper.

Edited January 22 by Cade

[Jeff]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0y51z7wedt

 

 

[Hagar the Horrible]

Ukraine says it hit Russia with 121 drones blowing up an oil refinery, Russia says it shot 121 of them all down, I would hate to see the damage if they hadn't 

 

Ukraine claims strike on Russian oil refinery in huge drone attack - BBC News

[Cade]

Aye more "falling debris" from expertly intercepted Ukrainian drones managing to impact exactly on their original targets and blow it to kingdom come.

Lucky they did shoot them down, imagine if they actually made it!

 

I think it's been more than 24 hours since that rapist bloke took office in the USA and I haven't noticed the war ending yet.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

On 16/01/2025 at 14:50, Taffin said:

 

Sorry, not sure if I'm picking you up correctly. Are you saying the West has done everything to ensure that Ukraine don't win the war?

appears to be and also that the west are relatively happy how it is now - yet if you had suggested that the west would have thoughts like that way back when it began you were a foil hatter watching too much Russian propaganda on youtube

 

 

 

 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

On 16/01/2025 at 22:32, Cruyff said:

As Mikey said, NATO Countries shat the bed and were afraid of escalation in 2022.

 

Their delays in support allowed Russia to fortify positions in the South, creating Surovkin Line which proved to be impenetrable for the Ukrainians during their failed offensive. 

 

The West don't want to defeat Russia, they never have because the repercussions could be even more catastrophic. A nuclear war or a break up of Russia with thousands of unsecured Nukes dotted about autonomous regions within the Federation would be a far more terrible outcome in NATOs eyes. 

 

But to give Biden, the UK & France a bit if credit, they did give them a couple of cards in hand for negotiations by allowing long range/cruise missile strikes into Russia affecting their ability to wage war. 

 

Clearly, Ukraines incursion into the Kursk was a good play on paper but a desperate one,  allowing them to do a land swap during negotiations (if they can hold onto it) but it's proven to be quite costly as the Russians have continued to advance consistently in the South.

 

Putin was quite smart though by wasting DPRK troops instead of moving additional reserves from the South while the Ukrainians had to commit 10's of thousands of theirs when they already have a manpower shortage. Hence why NATO are seriously considering taking over Ukraines logistics in the East to free up manpower. 

 

I wouldn't underestimate Trump though. You can say what you like about him but he knows what he's doing when it comes to making a deal. He's giving nothing away.  The Americans/the West won't allow Putin a propaganda victory imo. Their goals are long term and strategic. I can see Trump threatening Putin if he doesn't play ball if his terms are bordering the ridiculous but that could escalate if it becomes a pissing contest. 

 

Of course, the Americans and the Russians are there for a reason and it's for Ukraines  resources. They have massive deposits of Coal, Oil & Gas, Nickel, Lithium and Aluminium worth trillions needed to make batteries, (hence why Musk is involved playing both sides, being mates with the Chinese Premier, Starlink etc...) much of which is in the the Oblasts controlled by Russia. 

 

But there's a flip side. Russia were always going to win a battle of attrition and Putin clearly believes he holds all the aces. IF, the Americans were to withdraw their support (because the Republicans control both houses), Ukraine is done for and all Putin really needs to do is sit tight. 

 

As you say, it's a terrible predicament for Ukraine. They're in the Wests pocket and at the mercy of the Russians. They need to decide what's more important though. Peace and their Independence as a Country or, possible capitulation and the loss of generations. Bit of a dull yin. 

or as one highly experienced highly qualified tin-foil hatter said years ago on YouTube (of course) :

 

’the best way to weaken Russia is to get them to invade somewhere’

 

 

 

 

Edited January 24 by MoncurMacdonaldMercer

[Lone Striker]

Trump explicitly blaming Zelensky now for the war - says he should just have rolled over and invited  Putin to have  a large chunk of Ukraine.  Just for old times sake.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-putin-zelensky-ukraine-russia-sean-hannity-b2685565.html

 

Trump sees everything as just being like negotiating a deal to buy a plot of land to build a Trump Tower on.   If you can't get a deal at a favourable price,  just move on to try for a different  plot of land.

 

Imagine if he'd been President instead of FDR when Hitler invaded Poland & France.

 

 

Edited January 24 by Lone Striker

[Victorian]

56 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Trump explicitly blaming Zelensky now for the war - says he should just have rolled over and invited  Putin to have  a large chunk of Ukraine.  Just for old times sake.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-putin-zelensky-ukraine-russia-sean-hannity-b2685565.html

 

Trump sees everything as just being like negotiating a deal to buy a plot of land to build a Trump Tower on.   If you can't get a deal at a favourable price,  just move on to try for a different  plot of land.

 

Imagine if he'd been President instead of FDR when Hitler invaded Poland & France.

 

 

 

A man who continues to out-cretin himself,  despite overwhelming odds that absolute cretin was achieved years hence.   

[Mikey1874]

This is a bit strange because everything has been fairly constructive and positive so far. We do know Trump is capable of this though. 

 

Well China can just invade the US and they will submit then. 

[Cade]

Hmm this all sounds familiar......

 

"Just moving into his own back garden" (Marquess of Lothian when Hitler occupied the Rhineland, March 1936)

"Just like when Scotland and England merged" (The Times, when Hitler annexed Austria, March 1938) 

 

"Peace of our time" (Neville Chamberlain, when Hitler annexed the Sudetenland, September 1938)

 

 

 

[Mikey1874]

And confirmed

 

 

[Maple Leaf]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

And confirmed

 

 

I ha'e ma doots.  But it might be tomorrow.

[Cruyff]

It might just be a power play by Trump and not specifically directed at Ukraine but at European Countries being asked to step up and increase their support.