Masonic Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 When its introduced in a couple years the experience of going to the football is going to completely change for Scottish fans. Tempo will be slowed right down because of VAR and its impossible to know if to celebrate or not as u dont know if VAR will see something. Even having video evidence when in Weegie and i feel wont be sufficient for officials to give regualr decisive decisions against the old firm. Enjoy the next couple years because after that it wont be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viva hate Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 VAR kills the passion of the goal celabration and that alone makes me against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I'd actually like to hear what fans of countries with it think. I'm naturally suspicious of it that it might kill the vibe, but also for it because the decisions in Scottish football are shocking and this "might" help. I don't know if the whole kills the mood thing is accurate or not, never been to a game with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Will benefit everyone outside of the old firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1953 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I watch rugby and occasionally go to the matches. They've had VAR for years and I'm quite happy with it. For me getting the decisions correct outweigh slowing the tempo down. Whether we would get correct decisions where the OF are concerned is a different argument altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougal Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I'd happily wait a few extra minutes to get the correct decision. In the last few weeks we lost to an offside goal and had a stonewall penalty denied in a game we dominated yet lost. Both big decisions that could or did cost us points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Armchair fans love it, fans in the ground hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, cheetah said: Armchair fans love it, fans in the ground hate it. Yeah. Much better to seethe at Morelos scoring an offside goal. Or get texts saying the Celtic player handled on the line after Celtic went straight up the park and scored. Better to keep everything the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Never really quite got the debate about killing celebrations. I've been down to a few games in the PL since VAR came in and when that ball goes in the net, the fans still celebrate as normal. There might be a delay and a bit of confusion when the announcement comes over that there's an ongoing check but once the call comes over that it stands you get to do it all over again. Very similar scenario to linesmen flagging for offside. We've all done it, started wildly celebrating a goal only to find out 10-15 seconds later when everyone stops that its offside. You don't let it ruin your moment though. Been the odd time where I've been convinced it was off so do sort of look at the linesman for the flag while I celebrate, but in the moment in a big match, I'm not giving a ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 If Hearts score a goal and Var says it isn’t and it’s proven to have been correct then so be it. If the @$$ cheeks continue to get the calls even though it’s obviously wrong then it’ll be a waste of all our time. I fear that all Var will do is prove what we already knew with regards to the @$$ cheeks and the inconsistency of our officials and calls in their games. We’re just going to be more aggrieved than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Hans Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 My only experience of VAR at a match was the Scotland v Israel game. Great drama. The anticipation waiting on the referee's final decision after reviewing Dykes' goal was something else. Amazing celebrating it twice over. Obviously it will sometimes go against you but as long as they come to correct decision I'm all for it. Scottish football needs it. Do I trust those our referees to use it correctly? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 They need to sort offside first. Having a toe or pinkie in front of defender should not be offside. VARs good at clocking the above but it makes a farce of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I don't think we'll see it for years and years. The cost and upkeep and installing it in tinpot grounds will see it put on hold for the foreseeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, Baxfee said: They need to sort offside first. Having a toe or pinkie in front of defender should not be offside. VARs good at clocking the above but it makes a farce of it. That isn’t 100% how it’s done now. It needs to be a part of the body you can score with. So a foot counts but a players arm doesn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) Get to celebrate a goal twice don't you? We need it just to stop the shocking decisions in the big matches if nothing else...The really troubling thing about that Kyogo goal was how ready the media were to whitewash it as a "really tight call". It began with the commentator, continued with the studio pundits and continued with the written media the next day! Boyd was the only one who seemed to see that it wasn't a tight call at all and that the linesman was perfectly placed too... Edited January 8, 2022 by Spellczech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 26 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: I don't think we'll see it for years and years. The cost and upkeep and installing it in tinpot grounds will see it put on hold for the foreseeable. Part of the cost of being in the Premiership. If you have a shithole ground then you either fix it or stay down in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Well, Leicester City just had a goal allowed after VAR righty over ruled the lines man. Only took a few seconds . The celebration was not muted and justice was done. What’s not to like. Adjudication also goes on as the game continues and if there has been a foul or other infringement the game is stopped and the free kick or whatever is given correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Don’t they need big screens at the stadiums? Not sure where we’d put one at tynecastle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, William H. Bonney said: Don’t they need big screens at the stadiums? Not sure where we’d put one at tynecastle? The other thing is the cameras. I think, from memory, it’s something like a dozen cameras to get all the angles and I’d imagine they need to be symmetrical to each other. There are crappy grounds in Scotland that aren’t even symmetrical never mind camera positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: I'd actually like to hear what fans of countries with it think. I'm naturally suspicious of it that it might kill the vibe, but also for it because the decisions in Scottish football are shocking and this "might" help. I don't know if the whole kills the mood thing is accurate or not, never been to a game with it. Having been at Man City v Southampton at the Etihad back in August, the use of VAR kills a game stone dead imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I like it for penalties and red cards as that's where teams here tend to experience bad, game-changing decisions against the OF in particular. It seems to be used differently in England now. I think they do most goal checks behind then scenes very quickly now. When they started using it it did delay things a lot, it felt like almost every goal. Seems different this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, William H. Bonney said: Don’t they need big screens at the stadiums? Not sure where we’d put one at tynecastle? We're getting screens very shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, Bull's-eye said: We're getting screens very shortly. 55 inchers in each of the corners! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 If used properly like at the Euros it's a great thing. Not 100% proof but far better than it is now. We need it badly. It would sum up Scottish football fans tho- moan like **** against the OF bias, the quality of officiating, demand change ..... then moan like **** when it changes. 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, William H. Bonney said: Don’t they need big screens at the stadiums? Not sure where we’d put one at tynecastle? What for? Surely the ref can just signal his decision as he does now? I'm dead against VAR, for the record. I hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campbell Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 hours ago, viva hate said: VAR kills the passion of the goal celabration and that alone makes me against it. nonsense, I’ve been to plenty games in England of teams I’m not heavily invested in & I can assure you when they’ve scored I’ve celebrated & the actual supports of the teams have celebrated! It’s instinctive, yeah after the initial celebration there is a bit of a wait but it really doesn’t kill the passion of the initial goal celebration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campbell Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 46 minutes ago, William H. Bonney said: Don’t they need big screens at the stadiums? Not sure where we’d put one at tynecastle? No it’s not mandatory, I’m sure Liverpool & Man U are the two in the prem who don’t have it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Dance Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 VAR is shite. Better officials are required throughout the UK instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 hours ago, jr ewing said: Will benefit everyone outside of the old firm. This. The OF will continue to benefit from marginal decisions (same foul is a red for a non-OF team but a yellow for them) but they’ll no longer get all the binary decisions (onside/offside, ball crossed the line or not) that they’ve benefitted from for years. Elliott’s ‘goal’ against Celtic a few years ago the best example where, instead of being a goal up, we ended up a goal down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Do The Dance said: VAR is shite. Better officials are required throughout the UK instead. And how do we go about getting that? Make them full time and pay the loads just makes them richer hopeless/corrupt (delete applicable or and &) see you next Tuesdays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Lager Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 VAR will slow it down but will reduce the ridiculous advantage the old firm currently get a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Will get rid of the majority of the ludicrous decisions given to the old firm.. not all of them, but most it’s a must have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Will get rid of the majority of the ludicrous decisions given to the old firm.. not all of them, but most it’s a must have I wonder if they'll try to block it 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamdub Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Petition started in weegie land for VAR to GTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Torrance Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always got. We have an opportunity to level the playing field a bit. We'd be mad not to take it. It needs to be done right and Englandshire have been trialling it long enough for us to learn from it. Surely we can strike a balance and do it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Baxfee said: They need to sort offside first. Having a toe or pinkie in front of defender should not be offside. VARs good at clocking the above but it makes a farce of it. should be clear daylight between a player for offside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 35 minutes ago, Jack Torrance said: Keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always got. We have an opportunity to level the playing field a bit. We'd be mad not to take it. It needs to be done right and Englandshire have been trialling it long enough for us to learn from it. Surely we can strike a balance and do it right. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Not a fan of it in its current format so wouldn’t want it. Would prefer a tennis style challenge system so teams can challenge if they feel they’ve been wronged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, McCrae said: should be clear daylight between a player for offside. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 5 hours ago, Masonic said: When its introduced in a couple years the experience of going to the football is going to completely change for Scottish fans. Tempo will be slowed right down because of VAR and its impossible to know if to celebrate or not as u dont know if VAR will see something. Even having video evidence when in Weegie and i feel wont be sufficient for officials to give regualr decisive decisions against the old firm. Enjoy the next couple years because after that it wont be the same. 5 hours ago, viva hate said: VAR kills the passion of the goal celabration and that alone makes me against it. The above two views were, until recently, exactly mine, but over the last few months... 5 hours ago, jr ewing said: Will benefit everyone outside of the old firm. I have begun to think more like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said: Not a fan of it in its current format so wouldn’t want it. Would prefer a tennis style challenge system so teams can challenge if they feel they’ve been wronged. Good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnybob72 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 You know how it will work in Scotland - we'll score a goal against Rangers and it will go to VAR who will rewind the footage and disallow the goal because a foul by Craig Levein on Mark Hateley went unseen by the referee in 1992. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Dance Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: And how do we go about getting that? Make them full time and pay the loads just makes them richer hopeless/corrupt (delete applicable or and &) see you next Tuesdays How do you do that in any job? Have you decided that a referees job is now impossible without VAR? Maybe it would require better pay to attract more applicants, and put proper money into training them properly. Could employ from down south or abroad if the real worry is a bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 56 minutes ago, skinnybob72 said: You know how it will work in Scotland - we'll score a goal against Rangers and it will go to VAR who will rewind the footage and disallow the goal because a foul by Craig Levein on Mark Hateley went unseen by the referee in 1992. 😃 Ha-ha. Wouldn't put it past these bar stewards. Its a valid point though - how far back in the move which led to the goal is VAR allowed to check for ? Also - in England currently, who makes the decision to review an incident in the first place ? The actual ref ? The VAR ref ? Or are there written guidelines that say all goals, penalty incidents, bad fouls etc ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Do The Dance said: How do you do that in any job? Have you decided that a referees job is now impossible without VAR? Maybe it would require better pay to attract more applicants, and put proper money into training them properly. Could employ from down south or abroad if the real worry is a bias. EPL made them full time and give loads. You still have the same refs making the same mistakes, just on a lot higher pay. The fact that Mike Riley is head of referees backs my case, he is worst referee I have seen with the exception of Dougie McDonald. I am all for VAR, but again EPL are hamming it with inconsistencies week to week. That is fault with the referees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groatallar Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I was speaking to a current SPL ref who was at a VAR training session. He said to me to bear in mind it is only obvious errors that will be overturned despite some of the refs not agreeing with that stance. IMO it will level things up a bit as weak referees will have the majority of their bottle crash wrong decisions in favour of the OF overturned. His opinion was just wait until an error in a game involving one of the OF is not looked at by VAR (due to it not being deemed as an obvious error) for the fireworks to start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Groatallar said: I was speaking to a current SPL ref who was at a VAR training session. He said to me to bear in mind it is only obvious errors that will be overturned despite some of the refs not agreeing with that stance. IMO it will level things up a bit as weak referees will have the majority of their bottle crash wrong decisions in favour of the OF overturned. His opinion was just wait until an error in a game involving one of the OF is not looked at by VAR (due to it not being deemed as an obvious error) for the fireworks to start! Not sure I want VAR in general but when you add the old firm factor in then I'm all for it as surely can only work against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I think the officials in England's top flight have become dependant on VAR. Hull v Everton tonight no VAR and the referee seemed scared to make decisions for himself. Two blatant penalties and a free kick on the edge of the box for Everton not given. The Everton manager was going crazy on the touchline as he's under pressure and defeat tonight could have been the final straw. If they are refereeing games with VAR they should get LESS money as they are not making the vital decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 7 hours ago, William H. Bonney said: Don’t they need big screens at the stadiums? Not sure where we’d put one at tynecastle? Man u and Liverpool I think do not have big screens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 VAR destroys the fundamental principle that football is the same at all levels. It confirms it is primarily a business not a sport. As if we didn't already know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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