Maroon Sailor Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Further 9 points deduction Now on -3 after 17 matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 death knell for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Thay have dropped their appeal against the first deduction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Now 18 points from safety and they also got another points deduction of 3 that is suspended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Why the further deduction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said: Thay have dropped their appeal against the first deduction Should have told them to ram it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Why the further deduction? Breaches of English Football League accounting rules Edited November 16, 2021 by Maroon Sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 What a same for Rooney I wonder if he will jump ship now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Breaches of English Football League accounting rules Cheers. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Just looked at the championship table their anyone from 19th (Bristol City) could end up in those play off positions 7pts separate 6th to 19th crazy. Bournmounth and Fulham look like they will run away with automatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, jonesy said: Should have told them to ram it. Ohhhh you hit that one out the baseball ground! "sound of nails scrapping down a blackboard" for effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 The heady days of Frank Lampard's Derby County seem so long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 League One becoming the place to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Breaches of English Football League accounting rules Does the SPFL have such rules? Probably not given the accounts Rangers have been posting since 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, EIEIO said: Does the SPFL have such rules? Probably not given the accounts Rangers have been posting since 2012. Rangers have their own rules don't they ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: The heady days of Frank Lampard's Derby County seem so long ago. I was listening to talk sport on the way home last week, And their was a Norwich fan on disputing that he never wanted Lampard and what did he do at Derby and Chelsea, A Derby fan then called in and also mentioned his time at Derby saying he done nothing and was overrated. Never signed a player for money but had Mount, Tamori and Harry Wilson on loan. Sounded like bitterness from Derby fan on the radio, And for the Norwich fan no manager could come in at this stage and save them they are terrible. They are a yoyo club up and down and their owners seem to be fine with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stu_HMFC said: I was listening to talk sport on the way home last week, And their was a Norwich fan on disputing that he never wanted Lampard and what did he do at Derby and Chelsea, A Derby fan then called in and also mentioned his time at Derby saying he done nothing and was overrated. Never signed a player for money but had Mount, Tamori and Harry Wilson on loan. Sounded like bitterness from Derby fan on the radio, And for the Norwich fan no manager could come in at this stage and save them they are terrible. They are a yoyo club up and down and their owners seem to be fine with that. Lampard came in with Derby 6th in Championship. And after taking them down to 12th got them back to 6th by winning last games of season. Suppose that's progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Lampard came in with Derby 6th in Championship. And after taking them down to 12th got them back to 6th by winning last games of season. Suppose that's progress. Goldstein came out with I think it will be a risk of Lampard taking the Norwich job the Norwich fan said he thinks Norwich are at risk employing Lampard THEN they got Smith the following day. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Could happen to any EPL club, the bigger they are, the more debt they have and the more at risk they will be. All it takes is a relegation, spunk a fortune on trying to get promoted, doesn't happen and all of a sudden you're financially knackered and heading for League one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Could happen to any EPL club, the bigger they are, the more debt they have and the more at risk they will be. All it takes is a relegation, spunk a fortune on trying to get promoted, doesn't happen and all of a sudden you're financially knackered and heading for League one. Pretty volatile 8 clubs in League One have played in the EPL Only 5 clubs in the Championship haven't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 They have known this was coming, and even staved off administration to make sure they didn't get relegated last season. There needs to be harsher punishments for this kind of thing. They are absolutely ****ed, have lived well outside their means for years, bending the rules to suit themselves, and the teams around them at the bottom of the league last season will rightfully be pissed off at the pressure this put them under needlessly when they could have just gone under a month or two earlier. The only reason they didn't is for more money! It also ruins the competition this year, because it effectively means one other team won't get relegated this season when they might deserve to. Dropping down a league isn't going to do anything and the punishment should be much more severe. National League at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 No sympathy for anyone bar the fans. They were very close to a return to the top flight and a cert to go down to the 3rd tier all in the blink of an eye more or less. Shame, never minded Derby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, tian447 said: They have known this was coming, and even staved off administration to make sure they didn't get relegated last season. There needs to be harsher punishments for this kind of thing. They are absolutely ****ed, have lived well outside their means for years, bending the rules to suit themselves, and the teams around them at the bottom of the league last season will rightfully be pissed off at the pressure this put them under needlessly when they could have just gone under a month or two earlier. The only reason they didn't is for more money! It also ruins the competition this year, because it effectively means one other team won't get relegated this season when they might deserve to. Dropping down a league isn't going to do anything and the punishment should be much more severe. National League at best. It was fairly obvious very quickly what Morris had done with the stadium sale (over valued to put more money into club) which is the source of this problem. Acting quickly would certainly help everyone including the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaman Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Stu_HMFC said: What a same for Rooney I wonder if he will jump ship now! Imagine Sevco would be on the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I bet the Ibrox dwellers are glad they are not in the English league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 minute ago, John Findlay said: I bet the Ibrox dwellers are glad they are not in the English league. They haven't done the stadium sale wheeze yet. But maybe they might need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Just now, Mikey1874 said: They haven't done the stadium sale wheeze yet. But maybe they might need to. If there is someone or some company gullible to pony up, then it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidigits Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 30 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: Imagine Sevco would be on the phone. Yep Coleen set for Ibrox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Sure I read recently that the Easdale brothers (ex Ibrox) were buying them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaman Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chillidigits said: Yep Coleen set for Ibrox They like a lawsuit in Ibrocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Rangers have their own rules don't they ? True. Could never happen to the Old Firm unless the HMRC has been stiffed (again). Some big clubs in English League 1 Pompey, Sunderland, Sheff Wednesday and Derby next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, EIEIO said: True. Could never happen to the Old Firm unless the HMRC has been stiffed (again). Some big clubs in English League 1 Pompey, Sunderland, Sheff Wednesday and Derby next season. I think Derby should have been in there this season instead of Wycombe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: I think Derby should have been in there this season instead of Wycombe It only delayed the inevitable for Derby but was tough on Wycombe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam doughnut Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Lampard came in with Derby 6th in Championship. And after taking them down to 12th got them back to 6th by winning last games of season. Suppose that's progress. Lampard came in pre-season. Derby finished 6th in previous season. As you say, Lampard also finished 6th following strong finish and got them to play off final. Also knocked premier league teams out both of the Cups. So it was progress on previous season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam doughnut Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, EIEIO said: It only delayed the inevitable for Derby but was tough on Wycombe. Interestingly, Wycombe were only in the Championship last season due to fortuitous points per game average taking them from outside to inside play-offs when league suspended due to COVID. Still with 10 games to play. Derby finished a point above Wycombe, aided by an injury time winner against them few weeks earlier. A game that incidentally Ikpeazu scored at both ends including a cracking OG header. Fine margins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, jam doughnut said: Lampard came in pre-season. Derby finished 6th in previous season. As you say, Lampard also finished 6th following strong finish and got them to play off final. Also knocked premier league teams out both of the Cups. So it was progress on previous season. Progress in terms of the season Derby seriously overspent. To finish the same position in the Championship. Progress in terms of a memorable play off victory over Leeds which Derby fans can continue to enjoy. Congratulations Frank. Great work. Hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 6 pts deduction for Reading as well for breaking financial rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam doughnut Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Reading join an impressive list of clubs that have breached FFP and spending above their means desperately trying to reach the land of milk and honey. Blackburn, Leeds, QPR, Forest, Birmingham, Derby, Wednesday, Wolves, Villa, Bournemouth. Unless you have parachute payments, it appears the only way to get out that league is to gamble big time. The trick is to make sure you succeed. Derby, Forest, Wednesday, Reading, Birmingham failed and the fallouts cripple the clubs for years. Interesting how the clubs receive varying ‘punishments’. If you believe the SPFL makes it up as it goes along, fill your boots with the EFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 On 16/11/2021 at 12:20, Locky said: No sympathy for anyone bar the fans. They were very close to a return to the top flight and a cert to go down to the 3rd tier all in the blink of an eye more or less. Shame, never minded Derby. Never liked them since Clough persuaded Dave Mackay to come to Derby instead of taking the player/managers job at Hearts! ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 3 hours ago, jam doughnut said: Reading join an impressive list of clubs that have breached FFP and spending above their means desperately trying to reach the land of milk and honey. Blackburn, Leeds, QPR, Forest, Birmingham, Derby, Wednesday, Wolves, Villa, Bournemouth. Unless you have parachute payments, it appears the only way to get out that league is to gamble big time. The trick is to make sure you succeed. Derby, Forest, Wednesday, Reading, Birmingham failed and the fallouts cripple the clubs for years. Interesting how the clubs receive varying ‘punishments’. If you believe the SPFL makes it up as it goes along, fill your boots with the EFL. Portsmouth, Sunderland, Wigan and Bolton can be added to your list. A lot of clubs in the Championship with crowds comparable to Hearts (give or take 5K) but, wage bills and debt that is completely unsustainable without promotion to the EPL. While they have a better TV deal than us it doesn't paper over many cracks in their finances. Several clubs seem to have sold their stadium recently to generate enough cash to garner promotion and instead crashed and burned. For example , I think, Sheffield Wednesday and Derby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Found this whilst scrolling completely unrelated tbh 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Psychedelicropcircle said: Found this whilst scrolling completely unrelated tbh 😁 https://www.londonhearts.com/scores/games/199508051.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, Psychedelicropcircle said: Found this whilst scrolling completely unrelated tbh 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 On 16/11/2021 at 12:20, Locky said: No sympathy for anyone bar the fans. They were very close to a return to the top flight and a cert to go down to the 3rd tier all in the blink of an eye more or less. Shame, never minded Derby. You sir need to get out more…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 On 17/11/2021 at 21:20, jam doughnut said: Reading join an impressive list of clubs that have breached FFP and spending above their means desperately trying to reach the land of milk and honey. Blackburn, Leeds, QPR, Forest, Birmingham, Derby, Wednesday, Wolves, Villa, Bournemouth. Unless you have parachute payments, it appears the only way to get out that league is to gamble big time. The trick is to make sure you succeed. Derby, Forest, Wednesday, Reading, Birmingham failed and the fallouts cripple the clubs for years. Interesting how the clubs receive varying ‘punishments’. If you believe the SPFL makes it up as it goes along, fill your boots with the EFL. Saw Wolves in that list their owners are a Chinese Pharmaceutical company the money they have is greater than the likes of Ambramovich so how does that work that they breach them but Chelsea dont? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 hours ago, sadj said: You sir need to get out more…. You moan at me for not being in more usually... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Locky said: You moan at me for not being in more usually... Im allowed to be fickle 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam doughnut Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 14 hours ago, sadj said: Saw Wolves in that list their owners are a Chinese Pharmaceutical company the money they have is greater than the likes of Ambramovich so how does that work that they breach them but Chelsea dont? Chelsea created a massive squad of players with many loaned out to other clubs and had/have a strategy of transfers out equalling transfers in. In recent years they have sold over 20 ‘fringe’ players for circa £200 million. Then add on sales of Hazard, Courtois and Luiz generating £100 million plus. They did have a transfer embargo in 2019/20 for FFP breach when they brought in Lampard and Jody Morris from Derby to manage and blood a number of youngsters. I believe that In the Championship, FFP or profit and sustainability as its morphed into has a capped amount of permissible 3 year accumulated losses even if the owner can easily inject cash to cover them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted November 21, 2021 Author Share Posted November 21, 2021 Derby owe £29 million to HMRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam doughnut Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Overall, Derby owe £65million. Mainly HMRC, paying back a £20m loan, outstanding transfer and agent fees. They also owe their main fans forum £4k in unpaid advertising. To add to the mix, Middlesbrough have apparently submitted a £45m compensation claim to the club on basis that if Derby hadn’t been breaking the rules, Boro would have got the play off spot instead in 2019. Wycombe have also apparently claimed compensation of £6m for loss of revenue due to their relegation. Never a dull day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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