bazman Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 https://property.jll.co.uk/sale-land/land-sale-edinburgh-eh11-2nd-45720 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, bazman said: https://property.jll.co.uk/sale-land/land-sale-edinburgh-eh11-2nd-45720 If I win the Euro Lottery tomorrow night it’s ours. 😍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, bazman said: https://property.jll.co.uk/sale-land/land-sale-edinburgh-eh11-2nd-45720 Time for the usual JKB Experts On Everything to don both their property developer and architects hats. Perhaps a little bit of civic planning thrown in too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, been here before said: Time for the usual JKB Experts On Everything to don both their property developer and architects hats. Perhaps a little bit of civic planning thrown in too . What about the fans buy it and get JB Contracts to redevelope it 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boris5115 said: What about the fans buy it and get JB Contracts to redevelope it 😜 I’m in fur the windaes! ☺️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campbell Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Hypothetically if we did buy it what could we do with it, short term and long term. With the main stand now developed do we really have a need for it? I’d personally rather spend the money on improving more areas of the stadium, finish the main stand and invest in the team when we get back up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: I’m in fur the windaes! ☺️ Terrible job on the last lot so I’m not fancying your chances 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, campbell said: Hypothetically if we did buy it what could we do with it, short term and long term. With the main stand now developed do we really have a need for it? I’d personally rather spend the money on improving more areas of the stadium, finish the main stand and invest in the team when we get back up Hotel & offices? Additional future revenue stream ( assuming covid ever becomes managable and hotels and offices get busy again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 is it not a listed building that you would have to keep the frontage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyjams Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 We could maybe fill in at least two corners 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Might interest the benefactors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, davemclaren said: If I win the Euro Lottery tomorrow night it’s ours. 😍 It's what I always dreamed of doing if I won it, no interest in running the club but would love to gift it to the club / FOH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie wallace Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I hope it goes soon.That building is what you call an eyesore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: is it not a listed building that you would have to keep the frontage I seem to remember that boot of a lib dem councillor tried to (possibly succeeded) have the entrance to the school listed to prevent Vlad from building the new stand and hotel. However it would have been a very low level listing and fairly easy to have taken off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandylejambo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I always thought it would make a great hotel. Each class would make two fine rooms, there are kitchens and the gym could house all the public space you'd require, with plenty of parking, save us a fortune not using The Dalmahoy and hopefully make us a few bob. When this covid shit F's off, hotel rooms will be at a premium. I don't know what the deal is with the distillery and the chemical site next door though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Might interest the benefactors Very much hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny1874 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: is it not a listed building that you would have to keep the frontage It is category B listed according to the brochure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionFJambo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Cannot see the club remotely being able to afford it. That site must be easily worth a few million just for the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Do Kilmarnock not own a hotel next to Rugby Park and they get the profits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 As an overseas Jambo, I would love the club to develop a hotel. Would make the Travelling and weekend experience much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o1djambo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 At the last Foh AGM Mrs Budge stated that an ambition is to build our own training park and facilities. The Oriam costs the club £500,000 per annum. A task for the Foh with the school site in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Just now, o1djambo said: At the last Foh AGM Mrs Budge stated that an ambition is to build our own training park and facilities. The Oriam costs the club £500,000 per annum. A task for the Foh with the school site in mind? All the FoH money is currently required to keep the club afloat. Wrong time unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionFJambo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting they are selling it as updated COMAH regulations. Sounds like the traditional issues encountered about the storage tanks may have gone away. Sounds like the distillery may have pulled a blinder and bought it cheap as limited construction, sat on it and now bouncing it out at large profit now the rules have changed. For me I cannot see the club being able to afford anything. We can't finish the stuff we started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Scottish Soccer School.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Very interesting. Could use it as a hotel and fan park area like they do in Germany. Lots of potential ideas that we could use the land for, however I doubt we would be able to afford it in this financial climate. Is there a valuation on it? As another poster said, I do wonder whether the benefactors could be interested in acquiring this. Plus, haven’t the club been waiting for that land to be put up for sale for a while now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, o1djambo said: At the last Foh AGM Mrs Budge stated that an ambition is to build our own training park and facilities. The Oriam costs the club £500,000 per annum. A task for the Foh with the school site in mind? Thats the first I heard of that (I probably should have read the FOH AGM minutes, anyone got them?) certainly interesting that we feel its better for us to have our own facilities considering the quality we are currently getting at the Oriam. I know it was pie in the sky proposal under Romanov, but ignoring the pain from having to move from Tynecastle, the plan to build a new stadium on Carrick Knowe golf course would have allowed us space to create a training ground around it, akin to what clubs in Germany have with their Stadia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Think there is around 6 years left on the lease at Riccarton so I can guarantee the long term plan has been discussed at board level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, farin said: The aerial shot in the brochure gives a great view of the actual site footprint. Love it if we could get it but it wouldn’t come cheap. Ironic that Hearts used to own it but sold it to the council to build the school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) It's a Category B listed building. That lands about as much use to us as a chocolate fireguard. The only thing you could feasibly do to it is renovate it for flats. That said, you could, maybe apply to HES and apply to demolish it IF there is no viable alternative for the building. Which is unlikely if the building is in good nick. The trick to get around that is, set it on fire, stick a big tarp over the roof and seal it. Then it will rot to the point it will need to be condemned. Then we will definitely get permission to demolish it in the future. 🙄 I agree though, it would have been wonderful to own all the land in that area, the School, the Pitch, the Brewery and in the future we could knock down Tynie and build a much better, bigger ground and possibly build our training facilities, plus a smaller woman's / Academy stadium next to Tynie. Edited September 22, 2020 by Cruyff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 On 07/12/2017 at 07:50, Forza Cuore said: It is a great peace of land, but agree not sure why Hearts would want it unless future plans for more training facilities? Future parking/ media facilities etc etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poultry Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Well if a building company bought it and made it in to some kind of dwelling complex it must be for a large profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 It’s a tricky situation due to the pandemic and our relegation and the looming threat of the championship season not starting / finishing. However, I can’t help feel if we do not look into buying this land then we will regret it. Once it’s gone to a developer we really are stuck with what we have in terms of capacity going forward. At the risk of contradicting what I’ve said previously about concentrating funds on the team I wouldn’t be adverse to us investing all of the a Hickey money into this and using FOH to fund a mortgage for the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Cruyff said: It's a Category B listed building. That lands about as much use to us as a chocolate fireguard. The only thing you could feasibly do to it is renovate it for flats. That said, you could, maybe apply to HES and apply to demolish it IF there is no viable alternative for the building. Which is unlikely if the building is in good nick. The trick to get around that is, set it on fire, stick a big tarp over the roof and seal it. Then it will rot to the point it will need to be condemned. Then we will definitely get permission to demolish it in the future. 🙄 I agree though, it would have been wonderful to own all the land in that area, the School, the Pitch, the Brewery and in the future we could knock down Tynie and build a much better, bigger ground and possibly build our training facilities, plus a smaller woman's / Academy stadium next to Tynie. Only one bit is category B Iirc, the corner part you see looking down from Gorgie Road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Think it was bought for £1.75 million. Probably £2.5 -£3 million now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Only one bit is category B Iirc, the corner part you see looking down from Gorgie Road. Is that right? That changes things massively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: Only one bit is category B Iirc, the corner part you see looking down from Gorgie Road. 42 minutes ago, Smithee said: Is that right? That changes things massively. That does indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Big Slim Stylee said: Terrible job on the last lot so I’m not fancying your chances 😀 On programme, on budget, no leaks......shite Architects design..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, johnking123 said: Think it was bought for £1.75 million. Probably £2.5 -£3 million now. When the economic meltdown happens....£500k 😳 Edited September 22, 2020 by Thomaso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Lots of good memories of that place , sadly lots of not so good ones either 😂. Given the economic climate I don’t think it’ll sell very quickly , maybe the club will be watching with interest though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: When the economic meltdown happens....£500k 😳 Don't know if we could get it on the cheap or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Looking at the footprint.....we’d be downsizing dramatically from Riccarton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, DH1986 said: Looking at the footprint.....we’d be downsizing dramatically from Riccarton Aye but if we owned the pitches and the Brewery etc... That would be a huge area. Riccarton isn't just all Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Aye but if we owned the pitches and the Brewery etc... That would be a huge area. Riccarton isn't just all Hearts. Cheaper buying some land outside town for that much land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Cheaper buying some land outside town for that much land. Yeah, true. Doesn't really matter where the training ground is I suppose. I don't know how much per year we pay to use Riccarton but over time we'd surely be better off owning our own Facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Be interesting to see who wants a house right next door to a football stadium, if it does go for housing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Be interesting to see who wants a house right next door to a football stadium, if it does go for housing. Think the flats on Albion Road went for about £130k some years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Neil Dongcaster said: Think the flats on Albion Road went for about £130k some years back. Could be an issue for Hearts long term if residents get antsy about fan behaviour etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Could be an issue for Hearts long term if residents get antsy about fan behaviour etc... Indeed. As I alluded to earlier it would save us a lot of headaches going forward if we owned that land. Unfortunately, I feel it’s just beyond our grasp given current circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Neil Dongcaster said: Indeed. As I alluded to earlier it would save us a lot of headaches going forward if we owned that land. Unfortunately, I feel it’s just beyond our grasp given current circumstances. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, Neil Dongcaster said: Indeed. As I alluded to earlier it would save us a lot of headaches going forward if we owned that land. Unfortunately, I feel it’s just beyond our grasp given current circumstances. Unfortunately I agree - there would be fairly substantial running costs even of keeping it unused (security, health and safety requirements) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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