mickycameron98 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Only 5 teams remain unbeaten out of the 134 English and Scottish League teams....and 2 of them are Hearts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 47 minutes ago, mickycameron98 said: Only 5 teams remain unbeaten out of the 134 English and Scottish League teams....and 2 of them are Hearts! 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: 2? Yes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, sadj said: Yes 2 How is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Camazzola Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, Jambo 4 Ever said: How is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: How is that? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WT Laurie Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Kelty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Camazzola Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, WT Laurie said: Kelty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said: 🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, WT Laurie said: Kelty Blacklisted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Found myself checking the Bournemouth score but they won one nil at Stoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 4 hours ago, The Frenchman Returns said: Found myself checking the Bournemouth score but they won one nil at Stoke Much as I’d love us to outlast them all , I do like seeing the re-emergence of Queens Park toward the upper tiers of the Scottish Leagues. Teams like them and Kelty may even help to push the top division to a bigger size in the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 6 hours ago, sadj said: Much as I’d love us to outlast them all , I do like seeing the re-emergence of Queens Park toward the upper tiers of the Scottish Leagues. Teams like them and Kelty may even help to push the top division to a bigger size in the next few years. Meh, Teams propped up by cash offer little imo. Queens Park have the obvious history and romance, but basically no fanbase. We need the like of Airdrie and Ayr to re- emerge. Add Morton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: Meh, Teams propped up by cash offer little imo. Queens Park have the obvious history and romance, but basically no fanbase. We need the like of Airdrie and Ayr to re- emerge. Add Morton. Well in an ideal world id like to see Third Lanark climb back up the ranks but….😝 I know what you mean but stripping money away the romantic idea of a competitive Queens Park is a nice one. Yes it would be nice to see the teams you’ve mentioned re-emerge but I think thats unlikely. A bottleneck of teams with money may at least force the question to be asked about a larger top division. As long as the St Johnstones , St Mirrens , Ross Countys and Livi’s keep the need for 3full stands of OF fans I think its an impossibility to get traction for a larger top league. That in turn to me would offer the chance of a more competitive title race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: Meh, Teams propped up by cash offer little imo. Queens Park have the obvious history and romance, but basically no fanbase. We need the like of Airdrie and Ayr to re- emerge. Add Morton. It's strange that recently clubs with little support eg Hamilton and Livi have held their own in the top flight while clubs with decent support eg Falkirk, Dunfermline and Partick have struggled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 And then there were 4 Euan Henderson scoring in the 90th and 93rd minute as Alloa beat Queen's Park 4-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Problem with being unbeaten these days is 3 points for a win You are better off losing the odd game and winning the others than staying unbeaten and drawing a lot of games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, The White Cockade said: Problem with being unbeaten these days is 3 points for a win You are better off losing the odd game and winning the others than staying unbeaten and drawing a lot of games Indeed. I imagine we would be top under the old system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Indeed. I imagine we would be top under the old system. We would be second by 1 point i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars plastic Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 19/10/2021 at 21:42, Jambo 4 Ever said: 🙄 He needs reporting to the club for that indiscretion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 33 minutes ago, The White Cockade said: Problem with being unbeaten these days is 3 points for a win You are better off losing the odd game and winning the others than staying unbeaten and drawing a lot of games Also, I think sometimes there is too much emphasis on the unbeaten run and teams are happy with the draw to keep the run going which can become a negative rather than just trying to win games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1-1 at home v Dundee is not something that should be celebrated as a part of a run. Shyte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daktari Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Unbeaten but drawing every game would make us 8th in the league today? Although the would obviously effect the consequent positions of other teams who would have lost points to us, but I can't be arsed doing all the permutations. Point is the difference between winning and being unbeaten though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickycameron98 Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 I'm still proud of our record. I don't care what anyone says. Bring on St Johnstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) Said on another thread. Unbeaten is pish. 5 draws 5 points. 5 games but only win 2 is 6 points. Edited October 24, 2021 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 If we are still unbeaten on Sunday I'll be delighted. 4 points would be a good return but I'm expecting 6. 2-0 and 2-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Smoked-Glass said: 1-1 at home v Dundee is not something that should be celebrated as a part of a run. Shyte Nonsense, we drew with the vermin a few times on the way to 22. If the run is an "unbeaten" one then a draw counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, The White Cockade said: Problem with being unbeaten these days is 3 points for a win You are better off losing the odd game and winning the others than staying unbeaten and drawing a lot of games Indeed. I’d rather we focussed on beating shite like Aberdeen, Hubs and Dundee than worrying about avoiding defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Unbeaten is ok depending on who fails to beat us - Hibs, Aberdeen, Rangers, Dundee Utd, Celtic have all failed to win against us, which means we're still in touching distance or ahead of them all. Drawing with Ross County, Dundee is annoying, but not catastrophic as neither of them are our rivals, and both have also taken points off Hibs & Aberdeen, and Dundee nearly took points off Rangers. Also, it's still only ten games in, and we will learn from the dropped points. We're going to finish third at worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Unbeaten runs don’t win you the league… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Unbeaten runs don’t win you the league… They can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 26 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Unbeaten runs don’t win you the league… Interesting. How often has an unbeaten team not won the league? (I don't know the answer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hackney Hearts said: Interesting. How often has an unbeaten team not won the league? (I don't know the answer) That’s the sort of record Hearts tend to get. 😄 Of course I think there is zero chance we will complete the season unbeaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 38 draws can get a team relegated Edited October 25, 2021 by innerjambo Mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, davemclaren said: They can do. They can also get you relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 minute ago, innerjambo said: They can also get you relegated. I doubt any team has ever gone through a season unbeaten and been relegated without some points section or similar. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: That’s the sort of record Hearts tend to get. 😄 Of course I think there is zero chance we will complete the season unbeaten. Oh ye of little faith! I suspect it may never have happened - although a quick check reveals that Celtic came very close in 1995-96 when they only lost 1 match, and were second behind guess who, who lost 3 matches. The gap was 4 points, so even if they'd avoided defeat in that one match, they would still have missed out on the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, Hackney Hearts said: Oh ye of little faith! I suspect it may never have happened - although a quick check reveals that Celtic came very close in 1995-96 when they only lost 1 match, and were second behind guess who, who lost 3 matches. The gap was 4 points, so even if they'd avoided defeat in that one match, they would still have missed out on the title. The game they lost was against guess who. If they had won that game they would have finished top. You're right though if they'd drawn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, August Landmesser said: Unbeaten is ok depending on who fails to beat us - Hibs, Aberdeen, Rangers, Dundee Utd, Celtic have all failed to win against us, which means we're still in touching distance or ahead of them all. Drawing with Ross County, Dundee is annoying, but not catastrophic as neither of them are our rivals, and both have also taken points off Hibs & Aberdeen, and Dundee nearly took points off Rangers. Also, it's still only ten games in, and we will learn from the dropped points. We're going to finish third at worst. Strongly agree with your final point. I will be very disappointed and honestly surprised if we finish below third. We haven't got where we are through luck. If anything we are unlucky nor to have picked up more points. Hitting the woodwork twice on Saturday is a small example. If we can maintain our form and start finding the back of the net more often, we are in for very exciting times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Agree that the draws are killing us in the league at the minute but it's never a bad thing to be unbeaten, momentum goes a long way in any sport, would much rather be where we are than h1b5 or motherwell for example, we just need to start turning those draws into wins and we will laughing, I felt in at least 3 of the games we've drawn we should have won, aberdeen, county and dundee, the other two were fair draws imo against h1b5 and sevco. Let's hope we can get a wee run of wins on the go, starting with saints on Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Something is better than nothing. I'll take the 5 draws. Better than 3 draws and 2 defeats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 hours ago, gregzy2k7 said: Agree that the draws are killing us in the league at the minute but it's never a bad thing to be unbeaten, momentum goes a long way in any sport, would much rather be where we are than h1b5 or motherwell for example, we just need to start turning those draws into wins and we will laughing, I felt in at least 3 of the games we've drawn we should have won, aberdeen, county and dundee, the other two were fair draws imo against h1b5 and sevco. Let's hope we can get a wee run of wins on the go, starting with saints on Wednesday. Agree with most of that except "killing us". We're sitting in second place after 10 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJ Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Hackney Hearts said: Interesting. How often has an unbeaten team not won the league? (I don't know the answer) In 1967-68 Celtic broke our points record with 63 and Rangers finished with 61. Rangers were unbeaten till their last game when they lost 3-2 at Ibrox to Aberdeen (on Cup Final day when we lost to the Pars). If they had won, Celtic would still have won the league with a win in their rearranged game with Dunfermline (they won 2-1 anyway) due to better goal difference. Rangers had 5 draws and Celtic only 3 (Rangers won one derby and the other was a draw). I suppose close to your scenario but not quite, all the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Mallin_51 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Hackney Hearts said: Interesting. How often has an unbeaten team not won the league? (I don't know the answer) Bayer Leverkusen finished second undefeated in the early 2000s I’m sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Cut The Crap said: Indeed. I’d rather we focussed on beating shite like Aberdeen, Hubs and Dundee than worrying about avoiding defeat. Do you really think that we've played in any game to avoid defeat? There was certainly no evidence of it on Saturday or against Hibs. We were holding on a bit against Aberdeen after they equalised but that was more about them improving than us settling for the draw I would say. After so many crap years from Hearts, it is weird that so many fans want to find negatives in anything. No one is arguing that we shouldn't want to beat Dundee at home, but there really is nothing wrong with enjoying the fact we are unbeaten and in second place after 10 games. I think some people have forgotten football is meant to be about enjoyment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, AC Mallin_51 said: Bayer Leverkusen finished second undefeated in the early 2000s I’m sure No. They lost titles from winning positions a couple of times. In 2000 they needed just a draw in their final game but lost. But in neither season were they unbeaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, AC Mallin_51 said: Bayer Leverkusen finished second undefeated in the early 2000s I’m sure They lost 7 times when they finished 2nd in 2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said: Do you really think that we've played in any game to avoid defeat? There was certainly no evidence of it on Saturday or against Hibs. We were holding on a bit against Aberdeen after they equalised but that was more about them improving than us settling for the draw I would say. After so many crap years from Hearts, it is weird that so many fans want to find negatives in anything. No one is arguing that we shouldn't want to beat Dundee at home, but there really is nothing wrong with enjoying the fact we are unbeaten and in second place after 10 games. I think some people have forgotten football is meant to be about enjoyment. This 4 wins for the whole of the season last time in the Premiership 5 wins from the first 8 this season If we had a prolific goalscorer like Robbo we'd probably be on 26 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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