Jambos1983 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 38 minutes ago, PTBCAL said: Question is… why do none of our youngsters or better players sign extend contracts. Hibs seem to get their youngsters/saleable assets like Doig, Boyle, Nisbet etc to sign extended deals to protect and reward the club. Our players seem to run down contracts Yep. We've been horrible at this for years Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 I’m going to assume if he leaves we’ll still start the first game after he goes with 11 players. Players of a good skill level will always be around for us to sign. The money around at lower levels in England will always make it it virtually impossible to hold on to Souttar type players. We can’t or won’t compete with monies available down there. I want him to sign but no warm fuzzy feeling right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EIEIO Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 13 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: I was suprised too but it's a guy that coaches and knows him, or says he does. He's not a bull shittwr in general. If that's the case tho then surley if we pay out top players around that we can fiend off some teams. More likely £7,500 per month for Hanlon otherwise "tick tock" as the vermin were want to say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smith's right boot Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 8 minutes ago, EIEIO said: More likely £7,500 per month for Hanlon otherwise "tick tock" as the vermin were want to say. Tbh, I wouldn't be suprised if a few players were on around that, Boyle for example after his new deal but Hanlon.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lfhearts Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 hours ago, GavK1012 said: 🙄 it's about platform & £€£€£€£ Dearie me, get your heed out the clouds!!!! Not the only one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lfhearts Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: I read that Hearts are working on contracts now with a lot of players inc. Gordon and souttar. The pigeon post finally arrived then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brux Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 34 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: I was suprised too but it's a guy that coaches and knows him, or says he does. He's not a bull shittwr in general. If that's the case tho then surley if we pay out top players around that we can fiend off some teams. Wouldn't be against Souttar earning around this sum, it would only be for 8 or 9 months anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lfhearts Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 22 minutes ago, EIEIO said: More likely £7,500 per month for Hanlon otherwise "tick tock" as the vermin were want to say. Sounds like SRB baws to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pasquale for King Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 3 hours ago, Rick Sanchez said: I think people are rating Souttar far higher than he actually is tbh. Outstanding for us but no more than higher Championship down south. Definitely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pasquale for King Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 I think everyone including the player is waiting to see how many games he actually manages to play, I would wager he’s not played 20 games consecutively for us. It would be a gamble for the club or the player to sign a contract at the minute, January onwards if he plays until then might be the time it all gets sorted one way or the other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Gio Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Think he will be disappointed if this is the extent of interest Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hectormasson Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 17 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Definitely And are his injuries a distant thing ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thomaso Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 7 hours ago, Lfhearts said: Not in real wages terms, both massive clubs in their own right. No massive clubs in their own eyes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, PTBCAL said: Question is… why do none of our youngsters or better players sign extend contracts. Hibs seem to get their youngsters/saleable assets like Doig, Boyle, Nisbet etc to sign extended deals to protect and reward the club. Our players seem to run down contracts Hearts players are more intelligent than Hibs players? They don’t believe any agent or club overhype about their value unlike the lemmings jumping over the cliff at Hibs…. Edited October 10 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jambo61 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 7 hours ago, ShedBoy said: I was in Stoke yesterday. It really is a shit hole. More chance of a cup or 2 though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShedBoy Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 9 minutes ago, Jambo61 said: More chance of a cup or 2 though! 🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jambo61 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 3 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: I read that Hearts are working on contracts now with a lot of players inc. Gordon and souttar. Planning for the next few years! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
King Of The Cat Cafe Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 16 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Hearts players are more intelligent than Hibs players? They don’t believe any agent or club overhype about their value unlike the lemmings jumping over the cliff at Hibs…. It is a truth universally acknowledged that a player moving from Hearts to Hibs increases the average intelligence quotient of both clubs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gorgieroar Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 He's already told hearts he wants to go in January's window I heard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Longbaws Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 6 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: GTF can mean getting feck all for a player wishing to move on. We have to be realistic. I really hope we can persuade him on a further 2 year deal, knowing he will leave halfway through. He has ambitions, Hearts ambitions may not be enough for him. Fine...£4.5 million + 23.5% sell on. Take it or leave it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Brown Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 16 minutes ago, Longbaws said: Fine...£4.5 million + 23.5% sell on. Take it or leave it. I hope your involved in the negotiations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Rob Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 You might hope that Soapy would recognise the fact that the club have stood by him through a number of long-term injuries and sign a contract that lets us get a decent transfer fee. But that just isn’t how things are these days. His agent will tell him he’ll get a more lucrative contract and signing-on fee by sitting tight and seeing out his contract, and that’s what I expect to happen. It’s annoying, but it’s modern football. What is frustrating is that Hibs (as others have said) seem to be more successful at getting their players to sign in similar situations, but I guess that’s life. Almost all of our ex-players speak about the club with genuine fondness, whereas Sauzee (to give one example) does not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robbies Tackle Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 If he signs a deal the same people that would say he won’t be missed will say he’s now worth £5m. Souttar will see his wee brother is now progressing more in his career and will probably want a bit of that pie tbh. He does owe us though I feel with giving him his new deal when injured. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
InternationalJambo Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Remember the overreaction when Irving left? Different calibre of player granted but have faith in those making the decisions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Sanchez Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 He'll see us right by insisting a near useless 10% is added like Paterson did. He'll get a few 'that a boy' type comments and PHM chat but in all honesty, it'll be 5 figures or nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DS98 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 6 minutes ago, Doc Rob said: You might hope that Soapy would recognise the fact that the club have stood by him through a number of long-term injuries and sign a contract that lets us get a decent transfer fee. But that just isn’t how things are these days. His agent will tell him he’ll get a more lucrative contract and signing-on fee by sitting tight and seeing out his contract, and that’s what I expect to happen. It’s annoying, but it’s modern football. What is frustrating is that Hibs (as others have said) seem to be more successful at getting their players to sign in similar situations, but I guess that’s life. Almost all of our ex-players speak about the club with genuine fondness, whereas Sauzee (to give one example) does not. I keep hearing that Hibs are great at protecting their ‘assets’ however surely this is only admirable if there is an end game and they actually make any money? I can only think of J McGinn in recent memory and even then they got sweeties. Porteous, Boyle, Doig or Nisbet are only worth what teams are prepared to pay for them. Which as of this summer is collectively £0. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robbies Tackle Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 3 minutes ago, DS98 said: I keep hearing that Hibs are great at protecting their ‘assets’ however surely this is only admirable if there is an end game and they actually make any money? I can only think of J McGinn in recent memory and even then they got sweeties. Porteous, Boyle, Doig or Nisbet are only worth what teams are prepared to pay for them. Which as of this summer is collectively £0. They’ve 20% on McGinns next sale. Sold Cumdug for over a mill too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
InternationalJambo Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said: They’ve 20% on McGinns next sale. Sold Cumdug for over a mill too. Yet are still in the negative since the McGinn & ‘cumdug’ transfers with their current wage bill and money outgoing over the last few seasons… Edited October 10 by InternationalJambo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) Souttar’s advertised “choices”’are shite. Stoke, Blackburn or Rangers. Bigger wages but no ambition. I might be biased but he would be better signing another year and seeing what sort of move some games in Europe would get him and a longer period in-injured. He’d be in the SPL next January IMO His current apparent options are cul-de-sacs Edited October 10 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maggieb Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 8 hours ago, Lfhearts said: So Blackburn and Stoke are not massive clubs according to your arse, sorry this is about opinions and I say they are, Stoke in particular have a massive fan base, Blackburn former champions, but your arse says different lol. I’d like to back JtJambo arse up here, re the massive fan base ? I’ve met one in my life and heard Robbie Williams may support them or the other nondescripts nearby, the other team you mentioned? Ffs The cash went , the fans went ,boohoo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DS98 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 8 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said: They’ve 20% on McGinns next sale. Sold Cumdug for over a mill too. Again, that’s something that may or may not happen. It’s not real. And Cummings went for far less that £1m iirc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robbies Tackle Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 19 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said: Yet are still in the negative since the McGinn & ‘cumdug’ transfers with their current wage bill and money outgoing over the last few seasons… Couldn’t really get a shit how they are doing tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wattie exploited Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 no danger will he be leaving he will sign a new contract as we have paid his wages for the last 2 years with him out he will do the decent thing and sign a 3 year deal with an option to leave if we get a certain amount to let him go so its a win win for both club and John we are building a team we dont want to dismantle this team Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) Just now, wattie exploited said: no danger will he be leaving he will sign a new contract as we have paid his wages for the last 2 years with him out he will do the decent thing and sign a 3 year deal with an option to leave if we get a certain amount to let him go so its a win win for both club and John we are building a team we dont want to dismantle this team All we did was honour his contract - should we have sacked him for getting injured? Edited October 10 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jambo92 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Hes already missed a quarter of this season with injuries, I'm happy for him to stay and play when fit for us but we seriously need to be searching for more reliable replacement whether he stays or goes. I think he would be mad to not sign a new deal, any club giving him a fatter wage will have it riddled with clauses tied to his fitness, id imagine Hearts wouldn't so simply gives him that security as he starts to try and prove his fitness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pans Jambo Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) Brilliant player on his game. Was a real shame about his injuries, but he wouldnt be at the club now had he not been injured. He would have been sold by now. Hes not bigger than the club. Every player leaves eventually. I just hope its not to Glasgow & we get a fee for him. Edited October 10 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 36 minutes ago, Jambo92 said: Hes already missed a quarter of this season with injuries, I'm happy for him to stay and play when fit for us but we seriously need to be searching for more reliable replacement whether he stays or goes. I think he would be mad to not sign a new deal, any club giving him a fatter wage will have it riddled with clauses tied to his fitness, id imagine Hearts wouldn't so simply gives him that security as he starts to try and prove his fitness. 2 games. 😄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StevenNaismith Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 I believe the club are quite far down the line with JS on a new contract but let’s all get our knickers in a twist over a newspaper article who need to print stuff as it’s international fixtures this week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
No Idle Talk Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 (edited) 10 hours ago, Forever Hearts said: You do realise it's circulation has dropped through the floor and Rangers fans actively boycott it? In fact, you probably don't...🙄 Well Rangers fans aren't exactly the most rational bunch are they? I've lost count of the number of things they are now boycotting. That rag is blatantly pro Rangers but I wouldn't expect a Rangers sympathiser like yourself to acknowledge or admit that. Edited October 11 by No Idle Talk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finlay James Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 7 hours ago, gorgieroar said: He's already told hearts he wants to go in January's window I heard Someone at the club told me this yesterday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DG_HMFC Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 6 hours ago, davemclaren said: 2 games. 😄 Two clean sheets in those games as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 6 hours ago, No Idle Talk said: Well Rangers fans aren't exactly the most rational bunch are they? I've lost count of the number of things they are now boycotting. That rag is blatantly pro Rangers but I wouldn't expect a Rangers sympathiser like yourself to acknowledge or admit that. 😂😂😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Section Q Posted October 11 Author Share Posted October 11 Ideally I'd like to see him sign a two year extension at a decent wage. I think we can easily meet his demands. I'd be surprised if he did the prima donna on us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Treasurer Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 10 hours ago, gorgieroar said: He's already told hearts he wants to go in January's window I heard Who told you this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Treasurer Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 2 hours ago, Finlay James said: Someone at the club told me this yesterday As I asked the previous poster, who told you this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smith's right boot Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 The fact he's not signed yet is probably the the best indication that he's not signing an extension. Hopefully that changes but it doesn't look good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Longbaws Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 I'm playing the guessing game too. He signs a 2 year extension. Then stands out in next season's Champions League group stages and goes for about 25 mil 🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻 Rantic both say he is going to them then Savage outs them for bidding £200k. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FarmerTweedy Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 9 hours ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Souttar’s advertised “choices”’are shite. Stoke, Blackburn or Rangers. Bigger wages but no ambition. I might be biased but he would be better signing another year and seeing what sort of move some games in Europe would get him and a longer period in-injured. He’d be in the SPL next January IMO His current apparent options are cul-de-sacs Stoke and Blackburn are both pushing hard for promotion to the EPL, Stoke in a playoff spot just now and Blackburn just below them. Rangers are Scottish champions, league leaders just now, and if they stay there they're either straight into the champions league group stage next season or have a guaranteed europa league group stage fallback (can't remember which)! To say there's no ambition in any of those options is just nonsense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TexasAndy Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 With his injury history you would think he would want a period of settling back in. Playing well for Hearts would also get him back in Scotland squad. I do wonder however if he is desperate for move that will boost his bank balance in case he fears another injury. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scottg71 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 There is no way his new agent, Jackie McNamara, is advising him to sign an extension with us. I'd be surprised if he goes in January either. He'll get a lot more as a free agent. I was also told he won't play for us again unless we have injuries. I suppose we'll see if that's true come Saturday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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