Bazzas right boot Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) For the first time ( For England) , an All female official team is to be in charge. Andorra v Engerlund men's qualifier. Maybe this is an idea for Scotland- get rid of the west coast owned mafia that officiates at the moment. Open up the "type" that we tend to get up here. Edited October 7, 2021 by Smith's right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: For the first time ( For England) , an All female official team is to be in charge. Andorra v Engerlund men's qualifier. Maybe this is an idea for Scotland- get rid of the west coast owned mafia that officiates at the moment. Open up the "type" that we tend to get up here. Not a problem if they are good enough and not from the Lanarkshire FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 We need more and better officials regardless of their gender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 She's a top referee. There's another I saw in a game, Champions League game I think. Not perfect but who is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GinRummy Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, Cruyff said: We need more and better officials regardless of their gender. This. Couldn’t care less as long as they can do the job well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Can't be any worse than the men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Something needs to give with the current refereeing set up. I’m sick of the blatant bias and fact all of them are from Glasgow or the greater Glasgow area. The odds/ probability are so slim that it doesn’t make sense. What was Leveins stat, 1 Edinburgh ref for the Scottish cup final in 100+ years? I’m going into our next game against the huns just waiting on how we’re going to get cheated. It’s woeful how predictable it is. nothing to see here folks 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Can't be any worse than the men. correct, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Who in their right mind would want to be a ref? I did a few under 9s and 12s and the parents were mental. Never again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, Baxfee said: Who in their right mind would want to be a ref? I did a few under 9s and 12s and the parents were mental. Never again Aye, my m8 done it. **** doing it, get abuse for giving up your time or in Brazil melted in the heed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 A thread containing widespread agreement. Great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 A difficult job which the authorities and the media don't make any easier. Male, female, trans, I don't care. If they can do the job without bias, they will improve the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Baxfee said: Who in their right mind would want to be a ref? I did a few under 9s and 12s and the parents were mental. Never again They’ve been talking about it on Talksport a lot this week. Some of the stories are incredible and certain parents and coaches should be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Could only be an improvement - our officials are far too keen to be the focal point of the game and "assert their authority". No surprise that they are all ministers, teachers or policemen. They'd be bouncers in another life... When you are in the sht anything at all is an improvement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: For the first time ( For England) , an All female official team is to be in charge. Andorra v Engerlund men's qualifier. Maybe this is an idea for Scotland- get rid of the west coast owned mafia that officiates at the moment. Open up the "type" that we tend to get up here. Can't be worse than the men who often have a bad week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Its purely down to ability. I am all for any gender as long as they are the best for the job. What we don't want is fast tracked females in place purely on an equality stunt by the SFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 What I will say is the standard of refereeing at the top level is absolutely excellent at the moment imo - the euros were superbly reffed and the italy v Spain game last night as well. Scotland, not so much. So if they're there's anyone out there who can improve it, get them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Diego10 said: What I will say is the standard of refereeing at the top level is absolutely excellent at the moment imo - the euros were superbly reffed and the italy v Spain game last night as well. Scotland, not so much. So if they're there's anyone out there who can improve it, get them in. The euros was in general brilliantly officiated. The most noticeable thing was the amount they let go, not every missed tackle was a booking. Good advantage played as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizla Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 3 hours ago, OTT said: Something needs to give with the current refereeing set up. I’m sick of the blatant bias and fact all of them are from Glasgow or the greater Glasgow area. The odds/ probability are so slim that it doesn’t make sense. What was Leveins stat, 1 Edinburgh ref for the Scottish cup final in 100+ years? I’m going into our next game against the huns just waiting on how we’re going to get cheated. It’s woeful how predictable it is. nothing to see here folks 😑 Problem is if we did get female refs/liners they would no doubt come from Celtic/Rangers minded families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 All for it.. no reason why not .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 If anything, it might make the players a bit more gentlemanly... one hopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: Its purely down to ability. I am all for any gender as long as they are the best for the job. What we don't want is fast tracked females in place purely on an equality stunt by the SFA. Agreed! Merit is the way to go - always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, JJ93 said: Agreed! Merit is the way to go - always. Remove the barriers first and then merit. Looks like that’s what they are doing in England TBF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: Its purely down to ability. I am all for any gender as long as they are the best for the job. What we don't want is fast tracked females in place purely on an equality stunt by the SFA. Why not? Auld Mary next door could officiate better than half the SFA shite ive witnessed these last few decades. She would struggle with the offside laws though! (If you are a “woke” arsehole the last comment was a joke). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I'm sure their men would rather they kept the house tidy and made sure their dinner was ready, for when they came home from work . Priorities! And stick to netball or that thing they call women's football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I don’t have a problem with it at all and think it’s something that should’ve happened long ago. Will only become an issue if they go down the road of ‘we must have 50/50 male/female refs, we must have X amount of black refs, all irrespective of ability’ As long as we don’t start prioritising what genitals or colour of skin you have ahead of your actual ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Shanks said: I don’t have a problem with it at all and think it’s something that should’ve happened long ago. Will only become an issue if they go down the road of ‘we must have 50/50 male/female refs, we must have X amount of black refs, all irrespective of ability’ As long as we don’t start prioritising what genitals or colour of skin you have ahead of your actual ability. Pretty much what I said earlier. However, you have touched on black referees. Since Uriah Rennie retired a good few years ago, I can't say that I have noticed any in English football since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said: Pretty much what I said earlier. However, you have touched on black referees. Since Uriah Rennie retired a good few years ago, I can't say that I have noticed any in English football since. Black people take enough abuse, without becoming a ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I know many won't agree but I think the standard of refereeing in Scotland has improved a fair bit in recent years. Obviously with a couple of notable exceptions. Admittedly, it was coming from a very low starting point but some progress has been made. As others have said, the abuse referees get at all levels of the game doesn't make it an attractive proposition for men or women to get involved in. I once saw the mum of a 12 year old get sent off to the car park by an amateur referee as she was dishing out some horrible abuse to him from the side of the pitch. At the time, we were told that our kids could be banned from playing if they or we were abusive to refs. There's something not right about spending a Sunday morning screaming obscenities at someone who's giving up their time for £20 or whatever they get per game now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Black people take enough abuse, without becoming a ref. I was going to include this. Who is to blame? FAs as it is taken as part of the game. Dissent by players is not dealt properly. Abusive language is not dealt with properly. Abuse from supporters is not dealt with properly. Referees need to cut their teeth at grass roots level and this is where the above is needs sorted. The game does not exist without Referees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 8, 2021 Author Share Posted October 8, 2021 26 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Black people take enough abuse, without becoming a ref. Reminds me of a joke. Stay with me... Chris Rock- When talking about motor bikes, he says very few black folk have them, have you ever seen a black motorcyclist? ( remember, this is in America) Rambles on about racial issues - a bit tongue in cheek then says.. None of that is the reason , black folk already have enough ways to die. 😱😂 I've never seen a black Baker 🤷♂️. That has always been a curiosity of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Good to see the amazing man that is William Stewart giving his thumbs up to this on twitter…oh wait no my mistake , it was “oh ffs” they shouldnt be on a par with men he said. ****ing mental… if they are good enough they deserve to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 15 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Aye, my m8 done it. **** doing it, get abuse for giving up your time or in Brazil melted in the heed. My auld man did it, many years ago mind. Even back then the parents were mental. One parent even took all the kids home after he booked one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 16 hours ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said: Remove the barriers first and then merit. Looks like that’s what they are doing in England TBF Have we not had female linesmen before or am I imagining it? Maybe that's in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 5 hours ago, sassenach said: I'm all for it, fitness and ability should be the only factors. I think England is a bit ahead of Scotland on this, although I don't have the stats. On the Newcastle thread there was a comment about the increasing number of Muslim players in England. I wonder whether any of these players might have problems accepting the authority of a woman? Probably considering they see them as property - and if they do, they can piss off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, JJ93 said: Have we not had female linesmen before or am I imagining it? Maybe that's in England. We may have. I was responding to the comment that it should be down to merit. That's not nearly enough IMO and I was just making the point that there remain many many barriers to women's full participation, including attitudes for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I don't understand, how do you spot fouls and hand out cards without a pair of testicles? I kid, of course. This shouldn't even be news but I guess it is so let's have the news and have it become the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 3 hours ago, JJ93 said: Have we not had female linesmen before or am I imagining it? Maybe that's in England. Aye. Morag & Kylie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 48 minutes ago, Led Tasso said: I don't understand, how do you spot fouls and hand out cards without a pair of testicles? I kid, of course. This shouldn't even be news but I guess it is so let's have the news and have it become the norm. 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambocall51 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 On 07/10/2021 at 15:53, OTT said: Something needs to give with the current refereeing set up. I’m sick of the blatant bias and fact all of them are from Glasgow or the greater Glasgow area. The odds/ probability are so slim that it doesn’t make sense. What was Leveins stat, 1 Edinburgh ref for the Scottish cup final in 100+ years? I’m going into our next game against the huns just waiting on how we’re going to get cheated. It’s woeful how predictable it is. nothing to see here folks 😑 I learnt an interesting fact recently that in the last 10 years there hasn’t been a men’s fifa listed referee from Edinburgh. Yet before that every four years Edinburgh were producing quite a few fifa or category one refs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jambocall51 said: I learnt an interesting fact recently that in the last 10 years there hasn’t been a men’s fifa listed referee from Edinburgh. Yet before that every four years Edinburgh were producing quite a few fifa or category one refs Really? I'd love to know what the reason is. Also, is it not then fair to say that whoever heads up Edinburghs referees is therefore doing a bad job and should stand down? Because if they're not doing a bad job then there should be a referee in there, and if not, why not? Edit: Really believe these are questions that should be getting asked by Journos. Edited October 8, 2021 by OTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 3 hours ago, JJ93 said: Have we not had female linesmen before or am I imagining it? Maybe that's in England. We have had at least one. Peter Hetherington was either player or coach at the time. He gave her the hilarious "stay in the hoose and make yir man's tea next time" Needless to say, Scottish media only see ia as funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Howard Webb is definitely in favour of them... Howard Webb reveals how dinner with Bibi Steinhaus led to him leaving his wife | Daily Mail Online Like most proper football fans, I couldn't care less about the ref's gender or background as long as they have a good game and apply a fair and sensible head to proceedings without making it all about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambocall51 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, OTT said: Really? I'd love to know what the reason is. Also, is it not then fair to say that whoever heads up Edinburghs referees is therefore doing a bad job and should stand down? Because if they're not doing a bad job then there should be a referee in there, and if not, why not? Edit: Really believe these are questions that should be getting asked by Journos. I believe that the heads of refereeing in Edinburgh are doing everything they can in terms of development of referees. I don’t quite know why they are not getting picked. Perhaps Edinburgh don’t have a good enough batch at this moment in time. 100% journos should ask these questions to the sfa, it’s quite embarrassing that the capital city don’t have a fifa listed referee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I used to work with that Gavin Duncan (now a ref) and he said the problem is that the West is so dominant when it comes to fast tracking referees rather than the East being rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 It would probably cost the same for the whole officiating team of women, as it does for a usual ref. Cost cutting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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