NB GIN Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Great result today but I do not get this sitting back when we are in the ascendancy it was the same with Levein Best form of defence is attack. Why do they do this I don’t get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Tired today I think. And it's very rare to dominate the whole game, especially away. But I did shite it for about 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I don't think we did tbh, certainly not at all in the first half, where we were very dominant, there was about a 15/20 minute spell towards the end of second half where united came back into it but I think it was just them pressing further up the park to make it look like that. I thought we tried to press for the majority of the game today imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 We were forced back by their only spell of attacking. We weathered it and then scored the winner. Not worried in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Think we went to back 4 and it almost killed us. Stop tinkering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire_At_The_Disco Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 We have Craig Gordon, we can afford to play on the back foot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I think we we’re tired. We need to make more of the times we are on top and when we are forced back it won’t seem so scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH11 2NL Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 midfielders tiring quickly I reckon. Need legs in there, hopefully Devlin is the quick fix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rabbit Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 We can definitely be questioned for the Celtic and Aberdeen games for doing that but I was actually fairly happy that we came out the second half and continued to dominate. As others have mentioned we started to tire. Beni and Boyce looked knackered at the end. Good result and apart from a 10-15 minute spell it was a good performance. Should have been a lot more comfortable if haring remembered how to head a ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gordon Ramsay said: Think we went to back 4 and it almost killed us. Stop tinkering. I agree. I really don’t like changing because a team we are completely dominant against change formation. We were far better defensively with 3 at the back than when we went to a 4. It worked today but Robbie’s tinkering is enfuriating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Because the manager thinks that he has to change things every 15 minutes or so, no matter how we're playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboZeus Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Believe the tinkering was in response to United's shape change, where they ended up having two chances with a two players overloading the left side. Didn't quite work as planned and after weathering it a bit, Moore got brought in and we seemed solid again. Solid defense will come with how Gordon is playing. The goalkeeper defense relationship is crucial, with an excellent one of the couple giving an average partner confidence. Last time I remember being confident in the solidity of the Hearts defense was at the start of Levein's season where we topped the table for a bit. Berra and Souttar played well and gave confidence to Zlamal. After their injuries and Dunne's we were less solid and Zlamal slowly turned into a bombscare. Gordon will be giving the confidence to the defense by his play, and with the new lads looking good, should get better at adapting to opponent's tactical changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboBornNBred Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: We were forced back by their only spell of attacking. We weathered it and then scored the winner. Not worried in the slightest. Definitely this. They were always going to have a spell of pressure and we soaked it up then killed the game off. Such a difference from what we have been served up over the past few years. Today that team had fight but more importantly they had belief. Such a breath of fresh air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Folk find it tough to understand, we are still adjusting to this level. Teams in this division have another gear fitness wise, for our players it is a step up in intensive and it takes time to get there. That’s why we need these reinforcements coming in. Squad so important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, JamboZeus said: Believe the tinkering was in response to United's shape change, where they ended up having two chances with a two players overloading the left side. Didn't quite work as planned and after weathering it a bit, Moore got brought in and we seemed solid again. Solid defense will come with how Gordon is playing. The goalkeeper defense relationship is crucial, with an excellent one of the couple giving an average partner confidence. Last time I remember being confident in the solidity of the Hearts defense was at the start of Levein's season where we topped the table for a bit. Berra and Souttar played well and gave confidence to Zlamal. After their injuries and Dunne's we were less solid and Zlamal slowly turned into a bombscare. Gordon will be giving the confidence to the defense by his play, and with the new lads looking good, should get better at adapting to opponent's tactical changes. The importance of the partnership between Souttar and Gordon cannot be overstated. They clearly trust each other, listen to each other, and enjoy playing together. It's absolutely beautiful to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Lack of confidence, there’s no need we were far superior to Utd. Something we need to cut out of our game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, NB GIN said: Great result today but I do not get this sitting back when we are in the ascendancy it was the same with Levein Best form of defence is attack. Why do they do this I don’t get it We didn't. D Utd just came out more positively in the 2nd but we ended the game very much on the front foot and made positive subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 We did seem to tire, like last week. Hope it's not a trend. Also not taking Halliday off sooner when he was clearly fecked didn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedBoy Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 It’s the Hearts way. Until we get the next Burley or Stendel this is what we’ll do. Absolutely not having a go in any way, shape or form. Just answering a question 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: We didn't. D Utd just came out more positively in the 2nd but we ended the game very much on the front foot and made positive subs. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 They went three up, so we went to a back four, however with three up they were exposed at the back and we did not take an advantage from this. We shouldn't always play out from the back and route one can be very effective in games like this as evidenced by the long throw from Craig to Mackey Stevens, how the guy only got a yellow for what was a blatant attack is strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, ShedBoy said: It’s the Hearts way. Until we get the next Burley or Stendel this is what we’ll do. Absolutely not having a go in any way, shape or form. Just answering a question 👍🏻 But we didn't sit back 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: We didn't. D Utd just came out more positively in the 2nd but we ended the game very much on the front foot and made positive subs. No no no we can’t have the truth here, this thread is for spouting pish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, neilnunb said: We did seem to tire, like last week. Hope it's not a trend. Also not taking Halliday off sooner when he was clearly fecked didn't help. I don't get this tiring thing, they are professional sportsmen and should be able to run around for longer than 90 minutes. Take tennis as an example, they play for three hours or more at a time, so how can't football players who get a break and a rest when the ball is in the other half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedBoy Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said: But we didn't sit back 😅 Not today agreed but last week at home to Aberdeen we absolutely did. So I get where the OP is coming from. We should be ragdolling teams like Aberdeen at home. Just like we smashed Dundee Hibernian away today 👍🏻 On to the next one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 43 minutes ago, NB GIN said: Great result today but I do not get this sitting back when we are in the ascendancy it was the same with Levein Best form of defence is attack. Why do they do this I don’t get it Because other teams don't bend over, they also attack and have dominant spells so when that happens we defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 No idea but we've won 3 and drawn 1 so let's stick with it for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 We were controlling that match for all but 10 minutes today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 45 minutes ago, NB GIN said: Great result today but I do not get this sitting back when we are in the ascendancy it was the same with Levein Best form of defence is attack. Why do they do this I don’t get it We didn't sit back. Dundee United pushed us back, credit to them, we attacked in the 2nd half when the opportunity presented itself, that's why we scored a 2nd goal. We did not deliberately sit back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bistokid Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Mixture of going to a 4 and Beni tiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said: They went three up, so we went to a back four, however with three up they were exposed at the back and we did not take an advantage from this. We cut through them 3 times in 10 minutes however Gino was very wasteful. Made up for it with his assist however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Because other teams don't bend over, they also attack and have dominant spells so when that happens we defend. At times it’s like these fans think the whole game should just be wave after wave of hearts attacks, as though we are playing against a team of traffic cones or a game of fifa on easy settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: At times it’s like these fans think the whole game should just be wave after wave of hearts attacks, as though we are playing against a team of traffic cones or a game of fifa on easy settings. Really does read like that. No regard for the other team at all-lots do it. It's alarming in so many ways and difficult to engage in a conversation with someone who thinks like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 For me, we dropped of when Beni tired. Guys our rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: We didn't. We were pushed back by a team desperate to score. Forget this deliberately being negative pish. There are two teams out there. Ask yourself this. Why did Dundee United sit back. They didn't. We forced them back. It's not rocket science. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 53 minutes ago, Tambo_The_Jambo said: We have Craig Gordon, we can afford to play on the back foot The guy is winning us games. Its that simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ri Alban Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Cade said: Because the manager thinks that he has to change things every 15 minutes or so, no matter how we're playing. Pity he can't change your jkb password. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 32 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: We didn't. We were pushed back by a team desperate to score. Forget this deliberately being negative pish. There are two teams out there. Ask yourself this. Why did Dundee United sit back. They didn't. We forced them back. It's not rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Gordon Ramsay said: Think we went to back 4 and it almost killed us. Stop tinkering. If you are playing against one forward, then the opposition puts 3 up front it is sensible to change your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: If you are playing against one forward, then the opposition puts 3 up front it is sensible to change your system. So sensible that we had to change it back because we were getting pummeled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 41 minutes ago, Gordon Ramsay said: So sensible that we had to change it back because we were getting pummeled. Hearts overall dominated the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacerjoe Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: We were forced back by their only spell of attacking. We weathered it and then scored the winner. Not worried in the slightest. Yeah, Christ, you'd think people had never watched a game of football before. I'm excited by how things are shaping up. We've all complained about how pedestrian we looked last season, even when winning. We're improving in the right areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB GIN Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 14 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: We didn't. D Utd just came out more positively in the 2nd but we ended the game very much on the front foot and made positive subs. We did change he went to a back 4 it completely changed us he then realised and changed back to a 3. Robbie overthinks he needs to leave the system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_HMFC Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Great result, no doubt about it, and a great start to the campaign thanks to CG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr feelgood Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 This was a united team who had beaten rangers and St Johnstone back to back without conceding a goal so to think they wouldn't at some time come into the game is a we bit naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbeat Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 In fairness to Neilson even during commentary they noted that Hearts were sitting deep almost automatically at 1 nil in second half. They he was waving us back up the park, I dont know why we do that as we controlled the game when on the offensive but let them back in by sitting back, think he needs a talk with them to eradicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 16 hours ago, NB GIN said: Great result today but I do not get this sitting back when we are in the ascendancy it was the same with Levein Best form of defence is attack. Why do they do this I don’t get it You’ve got to ask the question - why did United sit back for all of the first half as the home team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 16 hours ago, AlimOzturk said: I think we we’re tired. We need to make more of the times we are on top and when we are forced back it won’t seem so scary. Tired. Imagine if they had a real job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, hearts00 said: I agree. I really don’t like changing because a team we are completely dominant against change formation. We were far better defensively with 3 at the back than when we went to a 4. It worked today but Robbie’s tinkering is enfuriating. I’m no RN fan but did we not go to 4 at the back because they made subs and changed to 3 up top? Oops - read whole post before jumping in Edited August 29, 2021 by Dagger Is Back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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