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i8hibsh

No, Hibs are seeded as we will be for topping group with at least 9 points.

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i8hibsh

Assuming we will beat our 'best pals' we will be seeded anyway. 

 

 

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Hackney Hearts

Is it not the best three group winners who are seeded? (plus 5 Euro teams)

Having 12 points doesn't (yet) guarantee being one of the best three - it may go down to goal difference.

So I think theoretically we could still draw Hibs in the last 16.

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merseyjambo

The 5 European qualifiers are all seeded plus 3 of the group winners.

 

Potentially 5 of the group winners can finish on 12 points (us, Dundee, DUFC, Motherwell, St Mirren)

 

I’m not sure if it goes to goal difference at that point or ranking. 3 of those teams if they ended up on same points as us have a higher rank so we would be unseeded.

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neilnunb
1 minute ago, merseyjambo said:

The 5 European qualifiers are all seeded plus 3 of the group winners.

 

Potentially 5 of the group winners can finish on 12 points (us, Dundee, DUFC, Motherwell, St Mirren)

 

I’m not sure if it goes to goal difference at that point or ranking. 3 of those teams if they ended up on same points as us have a higher rank so we would be unseeded.

 

Raith can also get 12 points. Play Livi tonight though.

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1 minute ago, merseyjambo said:

The 5 European qualifiers are all seeded plus 3 of the group winners.

 

Potentially 5 of the group winners can finish on 12 points (us, Dundee, DUFC, Motherwell, St Mirren)

 

I’m not sure if it goes to goal difference at that point or ranking. 3 of those teams if they ended up on same points as us have a higher rank so we would be unseeded.

Sorry if I am being a bit think here, but what do you mean by 'ranking'. Why would these other 3 teams outrank us?

 

We were all the 'top' names out of the hat in each of the leagues

 

 

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2 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Sorry if I am being a bit thick here, but what do you mean by 'ranking'. Why would these other 3 teams outrank us?

 

We were all the 'top' names out of the hat in each of the leagues

 

 

 

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chuck berrys hairline
2 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Sorry if I am being a bit think here, but what do you mean by 'ranking'. Why would these other 3 teams outrank us?

 

We were all the 'top' names out of the hat in each of the leagues

 

 

Ranks in league order from finishing positions last season we will be 13th

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neilnunb

Group matches
Clubs are awarded the usual three points for a win but all drawn games in the group stage go straight to penalties - the shoot-out winners receive a bonus point. ie three points for a win, two points for a shoot-out win and one point for losing on penalties.

If clubs are level on points at the end of the group stage, the criteria for separating them is 1) goal difference, 2) goals scored, 3) away goals scored, 4) matches won, 5) away matches won, 6) drawing of lots.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, chuck berrys hairline said:

Ranks in league order from finishing positions last season we will be 13th

But that would be for a different competition?  We were 'equal' as far as being in the same 'pot'.

edit: Just seen post below which confirms what will happen, but is that not just within the groups? :)

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chuck berrys hairline
1 minute ago, sandyk said:

But that would be for a different competition?  We were 'equal' as far as being in the same 'pot'.

 

True, i could be wrong but thats my understanding of it. Its Scotland nothing makes sense 😅

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2 minutes ago, chuck berrys hairline said:

True, i could be wrong but thats my understanding of it. Its Scotland nothing makes sense 😅

Designed to confuse! :)

 

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i8hibsh

I try so hard to be positive but we are such a bunch of ****ing losers nowadays.

 

Currently on JKB page 1 of the Terrace we have:

 

·         Another ICT love in thread

·         A thread celebrating an unbeaten run of games v utter diddies

·         A thread discussing Scottish Clubs in Europe (not us)

·         A thread about how happy we are with our ‘Squad Transformation’

·         A 41 pager on Hearts women’s team

·         And this one, going through possible scenarios we can be seeded for the last 16 of the Scottish League Cup

 

 

 

:vrface:

 

 

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Spellczech

Fortunately it doesn't look like Alloa or Brora Rangers are going to be in the draw...

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Shaggy2

The 5 teams in Europe are automatically seeded so the 3 best group winners will also be seeded in the last 16 draw based on their 4 game record. 
Dundee Utd have secured top with 12pts and a +8 GD. A 2 goal win will put us on 12pts with a +9 GD so we’d finish “above” Dundee Utd.
Raith, Dundee, Motherwell and St Mirren all have 100% records so every chance it will go down to goal difference. Raith have a toughie at Livi tonight and Motherwell’s goal difference is only +2 just now (away to Airdrie tonight).

We have a huge (unfair) advantage as we’ll know exactly what we need to do to be seeded as we’re the last game of the round. 

 

Short answer to OP is yes, at the moment we can still draw Hibs. 👍

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Shaggy2
1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

We've done better in recent years not being seeded. 

Bang on. In fact, I think last season is the only time we’ve been seeded? 
2016 - In Europe

2017 - Knocked out under Cathro.

2018 - Unseeded after illegally playing Andy Irving at Cove. 
2019 - Unseeded after losing on pens to East Fife!

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Hackney Hearts
8 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

I try so hard to be positive

 

 It's your standout quality 👍

 

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Saint Jambo
12 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

I try so hard to be positive but we are such a bunch of ****ing losers nowadays.

 

Currently on JKB page 1 of the Terrace we have:

 

·         Another ICT love in thread

·         A thread celebrating an unbeaten run of games v utter diddies

·         A thread discussing Scottish Clubs in Europe (not us)

·         A thread about how happy we are with our ‘Squad Transformation’

·         A 41 pager on Hearts women’s team

·         And this one, going through possible scenarios we can be seeded for the last 16 of the Scottish League Cup

 

 

 

:vrface:

 

 

 

Which thread is the ICT love in?

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14 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

I try so hard to be positive but we are such a bunch of ****ing losers nowadays.

 

Currently on JKB page 1 of the Terrace we have:

 

·         Another ICT love in thread

·         A thread celebrating an unbeaten run of games v utter diddies

·         A thread discussing Scottish Clubs in Europe (not us)

·         A thread about how happy we are with our ‘Squad Transformation’

·         A 41 pager on Hearts women’s team

·         And this one, going through possible scenarios we can be seeded for the last 16 of the Scottish League Cup

 

 

 

:vrface:

 

 


Serious question i8. 
 

Is this all a cry for help? Do you need a cuddle?

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Hungry hippo
7 minutes ago, Shaggy2 said:

Bang on. In fact, I think last season is the only time we’ve been seeded? 
2016 - In Europe

2017 - Knocked out under Cathro.

2018 - Unseeded after illegally playing Andy Irving at Cove. 
2019 - Unseeded after losing on pens to East Fife!

 

We'd have been seeded in 2016 then also.

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i8hibsh
9 minutes ago, Shaggy2 said:

Bang on. In fact, I think last season is the only time we’ve been seeded? 
2016 - In Europe

2017 - Knocked out under Cathro.

2018 - Unseeded after illegally playing Andy Irving at Cove. 
2019 - Unseeded after losing on pens to East Fife!

 

 

Holy shit that is grim reading.

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i8hibsh
3 minutes ago, DS98 said:


Serious question i8. 
 

Is this all a cry for help? Do you need a cuddle?

 

 

Depends, would you dress up for me too?

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JamboGraham

Interesting (or perhaps not!) that both Dundee and St Mirren could benefit from +3 goals from walkover matches due to Covid as part of the calculation for the 3 best group winners.

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Shaggy2
6 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said:

 

We'd have been seeded in 2016 then also.

Haha, of course we would. D’oh! 🤦‍♂️
 

I just had a mental block and was discussing our qualification from groups. 

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jonnothejambo

When we get them it will be the usual diamond cutter up the Jimmy Carter so hope we get them at some stage.

 

:fth:

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Hackney Hearts
23 minutes ago, Shaggy2 said:

Raith, Dundee, Motherwell and St Mirren all have 100% records so every chance it will go down to goal difference.

 

Yes, although there's a chance 3 of them could lose their 100% records tonight - which would mean we'd definitely be seeded with any kind of win over ICT.

 

As you say Raith have a tough one at Livi, while Dundee and Motherwell are away from home (Montrose and Airdrie respectively).

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Hungry hippo
12 minutes ago, Shaggy2 said:

Haha, of course we would. D’oh! 🤦‍♂️
 

I just had a mental block and was discussing our qualification from groups. 

 

I could tell you knew what you talking about 

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The Tackle
42 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

I try so hard to be positive but we are such a bunch of ****ing losers nowadays.

 

Currently on JKB page 1 of the Terrace we have:

 

·         Another ICT love in thread

·         A thread celebrating an unbeaten run of games v utter diddies

·         A thread discussing Scottish Clubs in Europe (not us)

·         A thread about how happy we are with our ‘Squad Transformation’

·         A 41 pager on Hearts women’s team

·         And this one, going through possible scenarios we can be seeded for the last 16 of the Scottish League Cup

 

 

 

:vrface:

 

 

Start a "winners" thread then you torn faced disaster 

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45 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

I try so hard to be positive but we are such a bunch of ****ing losers nowadays.

 

Currently on JKB page 1 of the Terrace we have:

 

·         Another ICT love in thread

·         A thread celebrating an unbeaten run of games v utter diddies

·         A thread discussing Scottish Clubs in Europe (not us)

·         A thread about how happy we are with our ‘Squad Transformation’

·         A 41 pager on Hearts women’s team

·         And this one, going through possible scenarios we can be seeded for the last 16 of the Scottish League Cup

 

 

 

:vrface:

 

 

Have you not commented on every single one of these "loser" threads?

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Sir Gio

Only 3 seeded places 6 teams still in hunt, Hearts Dundee Dundee United Raith Motherwell and St Mirren. 

 

12 points and plus 8 quite possibly not enough. 

 

We play last we have a big advantage knowing exactly what we need to do. Big shout out to the sponsors. 

 

Should we be 4th best group winners or worse, we could play any of the European qualifiers or the best 3 group winners. 

 

In summary a lot of water to go under the bridge but we may need 2 or 3 goals on Sunday, favourable fixtures for Dundee and Motherwell, also St Mirren. 

 

Need 2 to go past Dundee United, they have scored more goals currently,  no idea how they break the tie if we won 2 1

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Hackney Hearts
2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Need 2 to go past Dundee United, they have scored more goals currently,  no idea how they break the tie if we won 2 1

 

As posted above:

 

If clubs are level on points at the end of the group stage, the criteria for separating them is 1) goal difference, 2) goals scored, 3) away goals scored, 4) matches won, 5) away matches won, 6) drawing of lots.

 

So we'd be ahead of United with a 2-1 win against ICT. 

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28 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

When we get them it will be the usual diamond cutter up the Jimmy Carter so hope we get them at some stage.

 

:fth:

That’s the very spirit, J.  👍

 

:fth: 

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Sir Gio
17 minutes ago, Hackney Hearts said:

 

As posted above:

 

If clubs are level on points at the end of the group stage, the criteria for separating them is 1) goal difference, 2) goals scored, 3) away goals scored, 4) matches won, 5) away matches won, 6) drawing of lots.

 

So we'd be ahead of United with a 2-1 win against ICT. 

👍

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wentworth jambo
1 hour ago, Sir Gio said:

Only 3 seeded places 6 teams still in hunt, Hearts Dundee Dundee United Raith Motherwell and St Mirren. 

 

12 points and plus 8 quite possibly not enough. 

 

We play last we have a big advantage knowing exactly what we need to do. Big shout out to the sponsors. 

 

Should we be 4th best group winners or worse, we could play any of the European qualifiers or the best 3 group winners. 

 

In summary a lot of water to go under the bridge but we may need 2 or 3 goals on Sunday, favourable fixtures for Dundee and Motherwell, also St Mirren. 

 

Need 2 to go past Dundee United, they have scored more goals currently,  no idea how they break the tie if we won 2 1

Ignore - was talking rubbish !!

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Hackney Hearts
10 minutes ago, wentworth jambo said:

but point still stands, seeding could be guaranteed tonight

 

Only if all 3 of Dundee, Motherwell and Raith fail to win tonight. 👍

 

(assuming we win on Sunday, obvs)

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Samuel Camazzola
1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

I try so hard to be positive but we are such a bunch of ****ing losers nowadays.

 

Currently on JKB page 1 of the Terrace we have:

 

·         Another ICT love in thread

·         A thread celebrating an unbeaten run of games v utter diddies

·         A thread discussing Scottish Clubs in Europe (not us)

·         A thread about how happy we are with our ‘Squad Transformation’

·         A 41 pager on Hearts women’s team

·         And this one, going through possible scenarios we can be seeded for the last 16 of the Scottish League Cup

 

 

 

:vrface:

 

 

I don't get the gripe with this? The girls don't have the profile of their male counterparts but the strides they've made in their game in a short time is impressive. The club cannot be criticised for the backing they are giving to this department. 

 

The club has been able to attract an ambitious and highly regarded coach which could lead to a different type of player coming to Hearts. 

 

In a short period of time, attendances for the Ladies team could reach figures that were unimaginable not so long ago. It could (and should) encourage a new generation to get into the game. Also, a lot of attendees may enjoy the match day experience as it won't be clouded in negativity and will be seen as an affordable option for taking a family. 

 

Apologies to the OP for continuing with the off-topic subject. 👍 

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Shaggy2
3 minutes ago, wentworth jambo said:

Unless I'm misunderstanding it - both us and Dundee Utd can't both be in the mix for a best 3rd place spot - Utd have played their 4 games and got 12 points and a GD of +7...we've played 3 games, 9 points and a GD of +7. Does that not mean that any win for us in the final game gives us a better record than Utd  so we effectively only need to worry about Raith, Motherwell and St Liedown - Raith / Motherwell could rule themselves out by not winning tonight - so seeding could be guaranteed tonight.

Edit - just seen Utd's GD is +8 but point still stands, seeding could be guaranteed tonight

United are 9:1. We need to score twice on Sunday to overtake them as we’re 7:0 at the moment. 
Seeding can’t be guaranteed tonight although we could know that “all” we have to do is win on Sunday. 

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The Tackle
2 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

I don't get the gripe with this? The girls don't have the profile of their male counterparts but the strides they've made in their game in a short time is impressive. The club cannot be criticised for the backing they are giving to this department. 

 

The club has been able to attract an ambitious and highly regarded coach which could lead to a different type of player coming to Hearts. 

 

In a short period of time, attendances for the Ladies team could reach figures that were unimaginable not so long ago. It could (and should) encourage a new generation to get into the game. Also, a lot of attendees may enjoy the match day experience as it won't be clouded in negativity and will be seen as an affordable option for taking a family. 

 

Apologies to the OP for continuing with the off-topic subject. 👍 

He believes that women shouldn't play football and concern themselves with unicorns and the like. 

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i8hibsh
9 minutes ago, The Tackle said:

He believes that women shouldn't play football and concern themselves with unicorns and the like. 

 

 

I love women playing football. They have as much right to do do as men. I just accept that even at their highest level the standard is diabolical.

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3 hours ago, neilnunb said:

Group matches
Clubs are awarded the usual three points for a win but all drawn games in the group stage go straight to penalties - the shoot-out winners receive a bonus point. ie three points for a win, two points for a shoot-out win and one point for losing on penalties.

If clubs are level on points at the end of the group stage, the criteria for separating them is 1) goal difference, 2) goals scored, 3) away goals scored, 4) matches won, 5) away matches won, 6) drawing of lots.

 

 

 

 

 

7- vote. 

 

 

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davemclaren
34 minutes ago, RENE said:

How can it be fair to count goals when some teams have been 'awarded 3-0 wins?

Luck of the draw. 🥸

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i8hibsh

At the end of the day we have played 4 and a half hours of football versus 2 Scottish tier 3 sides and a tier 4 side and we have only scored 7 goals.

 

All part timers.

 

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been here before
6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

At the end of the day we have played 4 and a half hours of football versus 2 Scottish tier 3 sides and a tier 4 side and we have only scored 7 goals.

 

All part timers.

 

 

Like your 'support'.

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