Billy Hoyle Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Today proves how many players we actually need to have a team capable of even getting top 6 next season. It’s staggering how many players in this squad need emptied as soon as possible as they are nowhere near the standard required. Popescu, Berra , Brandon, White, Halliday, Haring,Walker, Wighton, Frear,Roberts, Henderson, Zlamal. All nowhere near good enough. Feel free to add to the list!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Billy Hoyle Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 Missed Halkett he is piss poor too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EH11 2NL Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Agreed. Only players that are capable of a top 6 side imo are Gordon, Smith, Kingsley, GMS, Boyce, Gino and Irving. Debate over what Naismith brings now, especially at that level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boris5115 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Billy Hoyle said: Today proves how many players we actually need to have a team capable of even getting top 6 next season. It’s staggering how many players in this squad need emptied as soon as possible as they are nowhere near the standard required. Popescu, Berra , Brandon, White, Halliday, Haring,Walker, Wighton, Frear,Roberts, Henderson, Zlamal. All nowhere near good enough. Feel free to add to the list!! Half a team and a new Manager please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, EH11 2NL said: Agreed. Only players that are capable of a top 6 side imo are Gordon, Smith, Kingsley, GMS, Boyce, Gino and Irving. Debate over what Naismith brings now, especially at that level. That’s less than half a team needed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Need good few changes for next season that's for sure Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ribble Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, EH11 2NL said: Agreed. Only players that are capable of a top 6 side imo are Gordon, Smith, Kingsley, GMS, Boyce, Gino and Irving. Debate over what Naismith brings now, especially at that level. Naismiths done as a striker and isn’t a good enough midfielder, that’s at championship level so will be well of the pace for top flight football next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Need good few changes for next season that's for sure That was always going to be the case. Very few teams get promoted and don’t significantly rebuild their team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Ribble said: Naismiths done as a striker and isn’t a good enough midfielder, that’s at championship level so will be well of the pace for top flight football next season. You could be right. Not enough legs left in him I fear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
18Jambo_dave74 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I think we were always going to need a squad overhaul in the summer. We’ll win the league comfortably and unfortunately will have some bad results along the way (today was disgraceful IMO) but majority of this squad just haven’t got it. We are crying out for pace and energy in practically every area of the pitch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Dongcaster Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I don’t think the standard of player is the issue, it’s how they are being coached and motivated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimosavi Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 7 minutes ago, EH11 2NL said: Agreed. Only players that are capable of a top 6 side imo are Gordon, Smith, Kingsley, GMS, Boyce, Gino and Irving. Debate over what Naismith brings now, especially at that level. Naismith is finished has been for some time can't even cut it championship Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimosavi Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Andy Halliday is an imposter as well done nothing since he arrived and another slow player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie Walker Tash Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Harsh to put Haring on that list. He was by far one of our best players before his long term lay off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StevenNaismith Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Start off with a new manager first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimosavi Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Neil Dongcaster said: I don’t think the standard of player is the issue, it’s how they are being coached and motivated. It's both Motivation is a Major factor here. We are consistently not up for it in any game until its half time or we go 2 or 3 goals down Something not right in that changing room Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Dongcaster Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, kimosavi said: It's both Motivation is a Major factor here. We are consistently not up for it in any game until its half time or we go 2 or 3 goals down Something not right in that changing room It’s not both. Our squad is well above the average in the top league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ribble Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, davemclaren said: You could be right. Not enough legs left in him I fear. My gripe with him isn’t so much that his legs have gone, that happens to most players by the age of 34 even without the injuries that naismiths had, but for someone that’s played at the level he has I’d have hoped that he would have adapted his game to compensate, he hasn’t and still tries to chase everything that moves despite not having the pace to actually close down or put pressure on anyone. Take someone like Harry Kane, got injured and lost half a yard of pace at most yet he quickly realised that it was that half yard that allowed him to play on the shoulder of defenders so he quickly adapted his game rather than hoping he could still do what he used to be able to. I get the impression that Naismith still thinks he can be the same player he was 4/5 years ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 19 minutes ago, Billy Hoyle said: Today proves how many players we actually need to have a team capable of even getting top 6 next season. It’s staggering how many players in this squad need emptied as soon as possible as they are nowhere near the standard required. Popescu, Berra , Brandon, White, Halliday, Haring,Walker, Wighton, Frear,Roberts, Henderson, Zlamal. All nowhere near good enough. Feel free to add to the list!! Walker Frear Roberts and Halliday should never pull on a Hearts jersey again. They are all a ******* embarrassment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HillmanHearts Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 We may be a reactionary bunch of dicks sometimes, but FFS that defence has been dog shit all season. That's not all down to perosnnel. That's also about tactics and coaching. We have numerous corners create feck all. Opposition has one or two and score. But poor Berra is knackered and Halkett runs like he's shat himself. We have two top class full backs and a world class goalie. A decent hard ******* leader of a centre half is required. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Jambo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 13 minutes ago, EH11 2NL said: Agreed. Only players that are capable of a top 6 side imo are Gordon, Smith, Kingsley, GMS, Boyce, Gino and Irving. Debate over what Naismith brings now, especially at that level. Despite his goals today, Boyce isn't currently showing enough in the Championship. He really needs to step it up to get towards top 6 quality. Although we maybe aren't playing to his strengths. Gino looks good but hasn't played that many games. Too early to judge especially given that we've only seen him at this level. Might turn out to be top 6 standard but might not. Kingsley worries me defensively. He has been at fault at a number of goals recently. Skinned for the first penalty and even then shouldn't have pulled the attacker down. Not the only one at fault at the third goal today, but it was his man who got in front of him to turn the ball into the net (possibly with his hand). For all his attacking threat, I'm not convinced he'll turn out to be good enough defensively to have us competing it the top half of the premiership. Agree there will be a lot of work to do in the close season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kyle1874 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 23 minutes ago, Billy Hoyle said: Today proves how many players we actually need to have a team capable of even getting top 6 next season. It’s staggering how many players in this squad need emptied as soon as possible as they are nowhere near the standard required. Popescu, Berra , Brandon, White, Halliday, Haring,Walker, Wighton, Frear,Roberts, Henderson, Zlamal. All nowhere near good enough. Feel free to add to the list!! Would keep haring the rest tho can go Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ribble Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 7 minutes ago, Jamie Walker Tash said: Harsh to put Haring on that list. He was by far one of our best players before his long term lay off. A rule of thumb for players coming back from injury is that physically it can take 1.5 times the length of layoff to get back to where you were, so out for a month then it can take 6 weeks to get back, Haring could take more than another year to get back to where he was and we just don’t have the luxury of playing him until he gets there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EH11 2NL Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Saint Jambo said: Despite his goals today, Boyce isn't currently showing enough in the Championship. He really needs to step it up to get towards top 6 quality. Although we maybe aren't playing to his strengths. Gino looks good but hasn't played that many games. Too early to judge especially given that we've only seen him at this level. Might turn out to be top 6 standard but might not. Kingsley worries me defensively. He has been at fault at a number of goals recently. Skinned for the first penalty and even then shouldn't have pulled the attacker down. Not the only one at fault at the third goal today, but it was his man who got in front of him to turn the ball into the net (possibly with his hand). For all his attacking threat, I'm not convinced he'll turn out to be good enough defensively to have us competing it the top half of the premiership. Agree there will be a lot of work to do in the close season. Tend to agree on both Gino and Boyce, gave them both the benefit of doubt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iantjambo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 None of our central defenders are good enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Billy Hoyle Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 11 minutes ago, Jamie Walker Tash said: Harsh to put Haring on that list. He was by far one of our best players before his long term lay off. So was Berra. Now no longer good enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prince Obua Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I really struggle to see what Naismith brings. Slow and ponderous in possession. First touch seems to usually let him down these days. He is playing between midfield and Boyce and struggles to influence games at all. When he does get it he never seems to be able to turn and the ball goes backwards. Very worrying. But probably the least of our worries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soonbe110 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 26 minutes ago, Billy Hoyle said: Today proves how many players we actually need to have a team capable of even getting top 6 next season. It’s staggering how many players in this squad need emptied as soon as possible as they are nowhere near the standard required. Popescu, Berra , Brandon, White, Halliday, Haring,Walker, Wighton, Frear,Roberts, Henderson, Zlamal. All nowhere near good enough. Feel free to add to the list!! White seems to have disappeared. Is he injured or ill? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Newton51 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Move smith into the middle and try a younger player at right back Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, HillmanHearts said: We may be a reactionary bunch of dicks sometimes, but FFS that defence has been dog shit all season. That's not all down to perosnnel. That's also about tactics and coaching. We have numerous corners create feck all. Opposition has one or two and score. But poor Berra is knackered and Halkett runs like he's shat himself. We have two top class full backs and a world class goalie. A decent hard ******* leader of a centre half is required. Defence loses to many soft goals and Robbie needs to sort that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soonbe110 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 20 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Need good few changes for next season that's for sure Think he is well aware of that and most recent signings and contract extensions tend to confirm it. Major clear out already agreed come summer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, soonbe110 said: White seems to have disappeared. Is he injured or ill? Rumour was he was ill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie Walker Tash Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Billy Hoyle said: So was Berra. Now no longer good enough. Have to take into account Berras age. Haring is in his prime years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 18 minutes ago, davemclaren said: That was always going to be the case. Very few teams get promoted and don’t significantly rebuild their team. With the budget we've got Dave if it was spent wisely we shouldn't have to but so much of our resources have been wasted on dross ! Our wage bill will be 4th biggest in Scottish football I'd guess even though we in championship Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soonbe110 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 17 minutes ago, Neil Dongcaster said: I don’t think the standard of player is the issue, it’s how they are being coached and motivated. How many of our current squad do you think would get a game for Hibs or Aberdeen? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
karipidis Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 29 minutes ago, Billy Hoyle said: Today proves how many players we actually need to have a team capable of even getting top 6 next season. It’s staggering how many players in this squad need emptied as soon as possible as they are nowhere near the standard required. Popescu, Berra , Brandon, White, Halliday, Haring,Walker, Wighton, Frear,Roberts, Henderson, Zlamal. All nowhere near good enough. Feel free to add to the list!! Ridiculous to put Haring in that list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soonbe110 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: Rumour was he was ill. Doesn’t sound good because it’s been a while now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: With the budget we've got Dave if it was spent wisely we shouldn't have to but so much of our resources have been wasted on dross ! Our wage bill will be 4th biggest in Scottish football I'd guess even though we in championship Don’t know about the wage bill bit would think relegation clauses would have kicked in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, soonbe110 said: Doesn’t sound good because it’s been a while now. He got criticised a lot but gave some solidity to the left side imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greedy Jambo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Disagree with the op completely, we have a squad that every single manager in the championship would give their right leg for. The problem is not the squad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Billy Hoyle Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Jamie Walker Tash said: Have to take into account Berras age. Haring is in his prime years. Was abysmal against Dundee last time he played. If he can’t start in front of Halliday he is aswell gone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soonbe110 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, davemclaren said: He got criticised a lot but gave some solidity to the left side imo. He did. Would have been better than Frear today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Don’t know about the wage bill bit would think relegation clauses would have kicked in. I'm not certain but my guess would be we paying most of the premier teams and far too many losers at Hearts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salad Fingers Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Rip it up, start again. Rip it up, start again. Rip it up, start again. Repeat ad nauseam. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said: Disagree with the op completely, we have a squad that every single manager in the championship would give their right leg for. The problem is not the squad. Big part of the problem is the squad as was shown last season Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie Walker Tash Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Billy Hoyle said: Was abysmal against Dundee last time he played. If he can’t start in front of Halliday he is aswell gone. Agreed he was terrible that night. However other than that game he has been a solid performer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Salad Fingers said: Rip it up, start again. Rip it up, start again. Rip it up, start again. Repeat ad nauseam. You happy getting beat by the likes of dunfermline , dundee and raith like ? Our wage bill will be higher than all those 3 put together Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greedy Jambo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Big part of the problem is the squad as was shown last season How many Raith Rovers players would be first choice in our team? How many Hearts players would get a game for Raith Rovers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soonbe110 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Greedy Jambo said: Disagree with the op completely, we have a squad that every single manager in the championship would give their right leg for. The problem is not the squad. Think playing ability you are correct however we have a bunch of billy big times whose motivation and desire to win is league 2 standard. Too many of them just turn up expecting things to happen. All three league games lost we have finished very strongly and possibly should have got draws. Only starting to play when you are 2/3 down is all about mentality and professionalism. Other than benching most of them not sure how a manager fixes that given the scale of it in our squad - Halkett, Naismith, Boyce, Halliday the biggest culprits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greedy Jambo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, soonbe110 said: Think playing ability you are correct however we have a bunch of billy big times whose motivation and desire to win is league 2 standard. Too many of them just turn up expecting things to happen. All three league games lost we have finished very strongly and possibly should have got draws. Only starting to play when you are 2/3 down is all about mentality and professionalism. Other than benching most of them not sure how a manager fixes that given the scale of it in our squad - Halkett, Naismith, Boyce, Halliday the biggest culprits. Fair point, but how much of that is down to the manager? Do you think the billy big times would get away with that shit with Walter Smith, Tommy Wright or the likes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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