OODownie Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Can you make subs now in Scotland??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloustonHMFC Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 For the semi and final the rule was 5 subs and an extra one if it went to ET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weebroon98 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 You get an extra sub in extra time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Yes but Celtic subbed Duffy at the start of ET and then Brown during it. 91 mins Post update Celtic 2-2 Heart of Midlothian Both sides use their additional substitution allowance immediately, with Mickey Johnston on for Celtic and Peter Haring on for Hearts. Shane Duffy and Andy Halliday are the men making way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBones Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) They did 3 normal time, 3 ET. We did 3 normal time, 2 ET. Seems strange? Since we kept halliday on when we could have subbed him. Then didn't use our last sub Edited December 20, 2020 by MrBones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, CloustonHMFC said: For the semi and final the rule was 5 subs and an extra one if it went to ET. The original rules to the competition show 3+1 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/1814/cup-competition-rules.pdf The update for the 19/20 cup clearly states 5 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/festive-final-beckons-as-william-hill-scottish-cup-fixtures-confirmed/?rid=2107 For 20/21 it reverts to 3 + 1 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-cup-202021-format-confirmed/#:~:text=Key changes to the format,of ties in each round. No where do I see 5 + 1 or 6 mentioned... Edited December 20, 2020 by Jap Jambo clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4nny_ Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jap Jambo said: The original rules to the competition show 3+1 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/1814/cup-competition-rules.pdf The update for the 19/20 cup clearly states 5 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/festive-final-beckons-as-william-hill-scottish-cup-fixtures-confirmed/?rid=2107 For 20/21 it reverts to 3 + 1 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-cup-202021-format-confirmed/#:~:text=Key changes to the format,of ties in each round. No where do I see 5 + 1 or 6 mentioned... Didn’t understand myself. Said on another thread every time I turned it felt like Celtic were making lots of subs! Either way, any wrong-doing would be swept under the carpet since it’s Lawwell’s Celtic but you’d think the management teams would know what they were doing so assuming that’s the case here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 https://www.theifab.com/news/five-substitutes-option-temporarily-allowed-for-competition-organisers could of been made clearer by the SFA as they do state 5... IFAB allows for 5+1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloustonHMFC Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, Jap Jambo said: The original rules to the competition show 3+1 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/1814/cup-competition-rules.pdf The update for the 19/20 cup clearly states 5 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/festive-final-beckons-as-william-hill-scottish-cup-fixtures-confirmed/?rid=2107 For 20/21 it reverts to 3 + 1 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-cup-202021-format-confirmed/#:~:text=Key changes to the format,of ties in each round. No where do I see 5 + 1 or 6 mentioned... The article for the update only gives an update on the rules that were changed. The rule change was 3 subs to 5 subs, the rule for the extra sub given in ET wasn't changed so wasn't mentioned. Yes it could have been clearer, but there was no conspiracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Seen a lot of this chat arising, clutching surely? For the record my opinion we were getting pumped five or six nil after the first 45, got back into it and could have won it, took it to ET and still fought back...lost the lottery which is pens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) You're allowed 5 in 90 mins. They made 3 subs in 90 mins and any unused (I think) roll over to extra time. So two roll over and then you are allowed an additional extra time sub, bringing the total to 6. Edited December 20, 2020 by Homme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biko Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Sure that tW@t Mcleod said "Hearts have used all three subs" when Haliday was injured in the last 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBones Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) seems like we didnt understand the rules on subs, as we would have surely subbed halliday, and used our 6th sub Though thats possibly because you're not allowed 6 subs? Edited December 20, 2020 by MrBones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBones Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I've had a search and i cant find anywhere that says 6 subs are allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bret the Hitman Hearts Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 announce the forfeit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brightside Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bret the Hitman Hearts said: announce the forfeit That would be epic but surely they know the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Just now, Mr Brightside said: That would be epic but surely they know the rules? Exactly that. And even if they had got it wrong (1000000-1) it would be the 4th official that would get the punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 59 minutes ago, Biko said: Sure that tW@t Mcleod said "Hearts have used all three subs" when Haliday was injured in the last 5 minutes. He did. You heard correctly. In saying that, McLeod couldn’t find the end of his @@@@ so hardly surprising the wee Celtic loving twat got it wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, The Future's Maroon said: Seen a lot of this chat arising, clutching surely? For the record my opinion we were getting pumped five or six nil after the first 45, got back into it and could have won it, took it to ET and still fought back...lost the lottery which is pens. Eh really? We were getting pumped 5 or 6 nil? It was 2 If my Auntie had baws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Liam McLeod is going to take over from Chick Young as my most loathed person around Scottish Football. A boak inducing, nauseatingly obsequious pointless sack of diarrhoea and parasite who adds zero value and is a complete waste of license payers' hard earned cash. May his every future turd be a porcupine. I nearly put my foot through my telly today before I muted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Five allowed and one of goes to extra time. Duffy s was registered before the start of extra time, could have made an additional one in normal time. McLeod didn’t have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Last Laff said: Five allowed and one of goes to extra time. Duffy s was registered before the start of extra time, could have made an additional one in normal time. McLeod didn’t have a clue. 3 allowed and 1 additional sub in extra time. But I'm confused now, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvm32 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 The rules are 5 subs in 90 mins, but you are only allowed to do it in 3 breaks of play, so you can't make 5 individual subs. If you make 3 individual subs that's you used up your allocation within 90 mins and can't make a fourth. In extra time you get an extra sub, so you can in theory make 6 subs in total depending on how you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, ri Alban said: 3 allowed and 1 additional sub in extra time. But I'm confused now, so... That's the usual rules in a normal season. The SFA announced a few months back for this year only it was 5 allowed with 1 extra in ET. If you don't use your subs in normal time they can be carried also too. We brought Henderson and Irving on in ET in the Semi for instance. So if Celtic today used 6 then they used 4 in normal time, carried 1 into ET and then used 2 then. We must have known the rules because, as above, we used 2 subs in the previous pumping of Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, jvm32 said: The rules are 5 subs in 90 mins, but you are only allowed to do it in 3 breaks of play, so you can't make 5 individual subs. If you make 3 individual subs that's you used up your allocation within 90 mins and can't make a fourth. In extra time you get an extra sub, so you can in theory make 6 subs in total depending on how you do it. You can take subs you don't use over into Extra time too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvm32 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Last Laff said: You can take subs you don't use over into Extra time too. Yeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Last Laff said: That's the usual rules in a normal season. The SFA announced a few months back for this year only it was 5 allowed with 1 extra in ET. If you don't use your subs in normal time they can be carried also too. We brought Henderson and Irving on in ET in the Semi for instance. So if Celtic today used 6 then they used 4 in normal time, carried 1 into ET and then used 2 then. We must have known the rules because, as above, we used 2 subs in the previous pumping of Hibs. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 7 hours ago, jvm32 said: The rules are 5 subs in 90 mins, but you are only allowed to do it in 3 breaks of play, so you can't make 5 individual subs. If you make 3 individual subs that's you used up your allocation within 90 mins and can't make a fourth. In extra time you get an extra sub, so you can in theory make 6 subs in total depending on how you do it. So according to the below, Celtic used 2 breaks in play to make 3 subs in normal time then used FT (Not a break in play? to make one more) then made an additional 2 in ET each in minutes 97 & 105...Is only the 97' change counted as a break in play and the ET HT (105') not considered a "break in play"? Total 2+1 Breaks in Play By contrast Hearts made 3 "breaks in play" at during the second half, and additional not break in play at end of normal time and only 1 "break in play" one at 109'. Total 3+1 Breaks in play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvm32 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Spellczech said: So according to the below, Celtic used 2 breaks in play to make 3 subs in normal time then used FT (Not a break in play? to make one more) then made an additional 2 in ET each in minutes 97 & 105...Is only the 97' change counted as a break in play and the ET HT (105') not considered a "break in play"? Total 2+1 Breaks in Play By contrast Hearts made 3 "breaks in play" at during the second half, and additional not break in play at end of normal time and only 1 "break in play" one at 109'. Total 3+1 Breaks in play Yeh, thats my understanding of it, you are only allowed to break play 3 times, as far as I can tell half time in 90 mins and by that extension full time when ET is to be played and half time in ET don't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number-16 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 21 hours ago, Jap Jambo said: The original rules to the competition show 3+1 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/1814/cup-competition-rules.pdf The update for the 19/20 cup clearly states 5 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/festive-final-beckons-as-william-hill-scottish-cup-fixtures-confirmed/?rid=2107 For 20/21 it reverts to 3 + 1 https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-cup-202021-format-confirmed/#:~:text=Key changes to the format,of ties in each round. No where do I see 5 + 1 or 6 mentioned... The annoying thing is the updated 2019/20 rules never seem to have been published in the public domain (unlike the original rules which can be found relatively easily). The IFAB rules suggest 5+1 was allowed but the devil is in the detail of what the SFA rules specifically say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avhudtheteeshirt Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 The Scottish Championship rules only allow for 3 subs in a game, I think this is where the anomaly lies. All other Scottish Leagues allow 5 subs, but the Championship voted for only 3????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number-16 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, The Future's Maroon said: Seen a lot of this chat arising, clutching surely? For the record my opinion we were getting pumped five or six nil after the first 45, got back into it and could have won it, took it to ET and still fought back...lost the lottery which is pens. I mean similar has happened before, including in two Celtic games in recent years. Edited December 21, 2020 by number-16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elshin Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 I prefer 3x subs and agree with 1x in extra time. I think 5 and then 6 subs will only ever suit the richest clubs and add to them taking in even more talent to sit on benches. I also think a free sub should be used for a head knock. I know this rule may be abused but player safety after a head knock should be prioritised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) On 20/12/2020 at 19:51, MrBones said: seems like we didnt understand the rules on subs, as we would have surely subbed halliday, and used our 6th sub Though thats possibly because you're not allowed 6 subs? My guess is that Halliday probably had cramp and could continue even though performing less than 100%. Had we subbed him then, one more injury and we'd be down to 10 men. So, better to keep Halliday on the pitch just in case we needed to sub someone who was completely crocked. I can understand why a team that's a few goals up or down might commit all subs relatively early. But I'm often amazed when, in a tight match, a manager will commit all subs with maybe 20 minutes still to go. I'm risk-averse by nature, but it seems to me that you should try to keep one sub available in case of injuries. 9 minutes ago, Elshin said: I also think a free sub should be used for a head knock. I know this rule may be abused but player safety after a head knock should be prioritised. Good idea, could also extend to blood substitutions. Edited December 22, 2020 by 4marsbars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 This is mental. I thought was 3 + ! in extra time. it's up to the club , if they play their quota of subs. Maybe we decided not to use as many subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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