Eno Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Just ask yourself would you rather have Naismith or alternative, Wighton in your team? Give the guy some time. He's missed half of pre-season training and well short of match fitness. He'll stroll the championship if fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 No he is not finished but no longer a starter. Plenty more to come from him from the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 His peak is long gone and he's wynding down to retirement. If he had left in the summer I wouldn't have shed a tear. Regularly fails to produce for Hearts, when he's not propping up the injury list. If Killie had a grass pitch he would be back there instead of with us. That said, when he is on point he makes a noticeable difference to the team and it would be daft to write off a player with his career just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, Homme said: Best player at the club by miles. Exactly wait for semi he will be a man possessed, the OP is another Trumpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, Eno said: Just ask yourself would you rather have Naismith or alternative, Wighton in your team? Give the guy some time. He's missed half of pre-season training and well short of match fitness. He'll stroll the championship if fit. When did he last play well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladisacoward Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Hasn't kicked a ball since he done his knee against the filth at murrayfield. Not fit. Doesnt score goals. Spends his time worrying about others when there is very little coming from himself which is where his primary focus should lie. That said, he's got 50 ish caps for Scotland and was playing PL football not that long ago on 50k a week so if he can get fully fit, he's surely still got enough in him to make a difference in the Scottish championship. Besides, if its him or Wighton, its a no brainer even if he's unfit and only got one working knee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ1977 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) Don’t think he’s finished but I do think his powers are waning. Also got to take in to account he’s coming back from another injury so will take a while to get back up to speed. Edited October 10, 2020 by Russ1977 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyrood_Hearts Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 I do have concerns about him being a first choice & captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Nowhere near fit. Even further away from being match sharp. Not sure he doesnt need to sit deeper and simply make good passes to overlapping players. We will look very different with boyce kingsley and smith back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 No in my opinion. Needs games. Looks off the pace but that's understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Hopefully he will sharpen up because his first touch and control of the ball has been pretty poor in the last couple of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicalEric Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Kinda sums up our signing policy over the last few years. A player who in flashes has shown it but is incredibly injury prone and clearly on the decline. His salary would be better invested in a younger player with a realistic chance of good sell on value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, LogicalEric said: Kinda sums up our signing policy over the last few years. A player who in flashes has shown it but is incredibly injury prone and clearly on the decline. His salary would be better invested in a younger player with a realistic chance of good sell on value. 100%. He’s been a shite bag over the past 12 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Called it before the game. He hasn’t performed in months. Wighton was much better when he came on, he stretched the game running the channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Dance Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 2 hours ago, kimosavi said: Please Discuss We are in the Scottish Championship. I don’t think any footballer is finished at that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 If he isn’t done he’s doing a fine impression of it. He was playing against part timers today but was out thought and out fought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 He's not been great, but he's also getting older, not had a full pre season and had 2 competitive appearances in 7 months. He could easily just be needing time to build up a bit fitness and confidence, I'd be amazed if he wasn't a very important player this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Again, I feel the likes of Naismith and other strikers when they play still don’t get enough quality service over a season. He may not be an out and out front man in his role but he’s still advanced. How often do we see the strikers able to run onto a ball, attack it from a decent distance? Naismith always seems to have to play with his back to the goals and do donkey work. I’m not excusing some of his quieter matches but we really need to see the midfield have far more influence along with the wingers/full backs getting up the park and combining, letting our central players get into spaces in the box. Not had a decent full back/midfield combination for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Debut 4 said: Again, I feel the likes of Naismith and other strikers when they play still don’t get enough quality service over a season. He may not be an out and out front man in his role but he’s still advanced. How often do we see the strikers able to run onto a ball, attack it from a decent distance? Naismith always seems to have to play with his back to the goals and do donkey work. I’m not excusing some of his quieter matches but we really need to see the midfield have far more influence along with the wingers/full backs getting up the park and combining, letting our central players get into spaces in the box. Not had a decent full back/midfield combination for years. It’s a two way street, strikers have to stretch the game, make runs, draw defenders to them.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communist Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 He's been gash for ages. His short passing and first touch is woeful. Less pointing/shouting with more product please naisy. Dread to think how much money has been wasted on him. 5 year contract ffs😂 'Time for him to earn his salary' is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloustonHMFC Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Marriott said: Undecided. Not looking promising though. Pretty sure we would be able to get a better striker in for same or less money. Is Shankland paid more than Naismith ? 😆 No, Shankland won't be on more wages but are you going to stump up the £1mil+ transfer he would have cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Just now, kingantti1874 said: It’s a two way street, strikers have to stretch the game, make runs, draw defenders to them.. I get that, but tbh mate, been more miffed with what’s been behind the strikers for the last few years. Punchless, not hard working enough and lacking tenacity, a willingness to run beyond people. I suppose that’s the way midfielders have went but I include the wide players too. It’s all safe, play in front of the opposition. I think Neilson will eventually get there. He needs to time to tweak the squad his way and he’s stunted in the market given the scenario we are in, football wise (championship)and economically. His job is to just get us up but along the way I hope he’s ramming in demands to play braver and bring more guts and guile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloustonHMFC Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 For everyone saying punt him, the transfer window is shut and we need someone willing to pay out his contract. Its not easy as punt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Vespa Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, CloustonHMFC said: No, Shankland won't be on more wages but are you going to stump up the £1mil+ transfer he would have cost? Fair point but I may have saved the million plus in wages Naismith will cost us for the next 3 years we are stuck with him, and people think he is over the hill now wait till he is 37 .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloustonHMFC Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Marriott said: Fair point but I may have saved the million plus in wages Naismith will cost us for the next 3 years we are stuck with him, and people think he is over the hill now wait till he is 37 .... You seriously reckon we're going to be paying Naismith over £1mil in 3 years? I highly doubt it. Probably closer to half that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 If going by today everyone of the outfield players is finished then by that logic. It was one of they days for us & Naisy as captain will be main focus when underperforming. He like us will get better. Some people just need to calm down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 I don’t think some people understand how fitness works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Niemi is though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Vespa Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, CloustonHMFC said: You seriously reckon we're going to be paying Naismith over £1mil in 3 years? I highly doubt it. Probably closer to half that. Who knows mate, happy to bow down to greater knowledge, I do remember it dragged on and on and eventually we pushed the boat out and Craig Levein was in charge ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Nope but he was taken of as a plastic pitch today, given there a few in championship can only be an option !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J80MBO Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 hours ago, kimosavi said: Please Discuss Wow some real competition for idiotic thread of the week this Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 hours ago, kimosavi said: Please Discuss Another no from me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 I think his injuries are now getting to the point where he can't play 90 mins every week however i believe he still has the quality to make an impact in games maybe just not over the 90 mins anymore. Time will tell if he can get fitter but imo He is a squad player now, That's why we need another quality striker. I certainly don't want to rely on whighton to fire us out this league if boyce is away on international duty/injured. I would have naisy coming on in the last 20/30 mins of a game and or rotated every second week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, communist said: He's been gash for ages. His short passing and first touch is woeful. Less pointing/shouting with more product please naisy. Dread to think how much money has been wasted on him. 5 year contract ffs😂 'Time for him to earn his salary' is correct. 4 year deal. He agreed to a 50% wage cut, so with Covid and demotion who knows what he's earning now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Darkness Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 43 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said: Niemi is though..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 👏👏👏👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 55 minutes ago, Marriott said: Fair point but I may have saved the million plus in wages Naismith will cost us for the next 3 years we are stuck with him, and people think he is over the hill now wait till he is 37 .... Luckily his contract runs out when he's 36. That should cheer your weekend up a bit. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19052012 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 He's no finished, he's only 34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Should have his minutes managed carefully by Robbie. Injuries are always going to be round the corner with him I think. Don't let him play anymore than an hour in diddy fixtures etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart MacD Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 CL gave him the long-term contract to ease him into coaching. I think the captaincy was a mistake, as he was doing a lot of mentoring on the field anyway. Perhaps make Gordon skipper (Souttar would have been my choice), Naismith "Club captain," rather than team captain, and let him concentate on playing to his strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I’m not going to wet my pants yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Nah. He's struggling fitness wise though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Last Laff said: Nah. He's struggling fitness wise though. Exactly. I think some fans think football players are like robots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Diminishing returns for sure, however these games do seem to be an extension of pre season. Can he get motivated at this low level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 First choice Scotland striker last year and deservedly so as international class unlike the vermin journeymen but oh aye he is finished now of course . interloper alley this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, Beast Boy said: Exactly. I think some fans think football players are like robots. Especially footballers that aren't exactly spring chickens any longer. Credit for Naisy even for playing two games in a short amount of time, one on the surface of yesterday to help the team out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo85 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Naismith has been absolutely brutal since he was handed the captains armband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 He’s a pretty pish player. Hopefully still good enough for the farmers league we are in this season though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 12 hours ago, 19052012 said: He's no finished, he's only 34 To put it into Context, Robbo finished playing at 36 and finally left Hearts at 34. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 To be honest i don't think any of the players have looked particularly good so far. We've played two non-Premier league teams, Inverness playing without a few of their main players (which is worrying) and Cowdenbeath which is a team we should get past very comfortably. There is a real lack of fitness throughout the squad, not just Naismith, plus he's had some injury issues. It will take him longer to get up to speed with the others who haven't been injured. For me, Walker is the only player that's got pass marks so far but even then i still think he looks a bit off the pace. We have Raith on Tuesday night. It's another game to build fitness on. Neilson (and i understand why he's doing this) needs to stop rotating and work on who his first eleven are. All the players need game-time after such a long lay-off but the most important game comes on Friday night at Tynecastle against Dundee. I have to assume Neilson has an idea who his first pick will be for that one more than these Cup games. We really need to find a striker from somewhere, probably another defender to cover the loss of Souttar and Berra as well. It will also take a bit of time for all the new players to gel together so, with a mix of unfamiliarity within the squad plus a long lay-off, things are understandably taking longer to work. Having Smith and Boyce back will make it more difficult for Neilson to tinker as often. The problem for me is not sorting out another striker after the loss of Uche and Washington. It has definitely weakened the squad more than folk realise. Yes, Uche wasn't the best but against Championship clubs his strength would've taken the pressure off those behind him. By not replacing with another striker, it could well come back to haunt us throughout the campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livi Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Playing him on plastic pitches is the 1st mistake Robbie is making. Anybody wo has any knee fitness issues is never going to give anything like 100% as they will be looking after themselves.all the time. The same goes for Haring. Keep them to grass until the get themselves up to speed fitness wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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