Terror attack in Reading

[graygo]

Multiple stabbings, 3 confirmed dead.

[CostaJambo]

Somebody just posted a video of it to my son's football team WhatsApp group (we live in the area) and doesn't know how to delete it. People going mental.  

[Heartsmad1874]

Its circulating on Twitter aswell. What kind of person records someone having CPR and then posts it onto social media.

 

Deary me, horrible scenes.

[graygo]

Just noticed it's all over the Black Life's Matter thread although police say the 2 are not linked.

[indianajones]

3 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said:

Its circulating on Twitter aswell. What kind of person records someone having CPR and then posts it onto social media.

 

Deary me, horrible scenes.

 

We live in a really strange world. 

[graygo]

12 stabbings according to the press.

[Weakened Offender]

1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

 

Isn't it just vile that someone could post that, with a laughing emoji, on a thread about an attack where at least 3 people are reported to have died?

[graygo]

4 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Isn't it just vile that someone could post that, with a laughing emoji, on a thread about an attack where at least 3 people are reported to have died?

 

It's unbelievable, actually no it's not unfortunately.

 

[Weakened Offender]

4 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

It's unbelievable, actually no it's not unfortunately.

 

 

I suppose you are right, given his posting history. 

 

 

[JJ93]

They might be linked. We don’t know. Time will tell. More likely to be the religion of peace, though. Action must be taken to defend civilisation from these sub human scum who do this. 

[weehammy]

Reports saying suspect may be Libyan.

[Cade]

Polis say it's not terror related, nor BLM related.

 

Sorry, chaps.

[Harry Potter]

15 minutes ago, Cade said:

Polis say it's not terror related, nor BLM related.

 

Sorry, chaps.

Why are you sorry, this is a shocking event, im struggling to understand the world we live in just now.

[The Real Maroonblood]

6 minutes ago, Harry Potter said:

Why are you sorry, this is a shocking event, im struggling to understand the world we live in just now.

It’s certainly a brutal world.

Some people will actually feel more safe in lockdown and not just from COVID-19.

[Gone]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Polis say it's not terror related, nor BLM related.

 

Sorry, chaps.

 

Strange that given that they raided a property or two earlier.

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

Polis say it's not terror related, nor BLM related.

 

Sorry, chaps.

 

What are you sorry for?

[AlimOzturk]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

Polis say it's not terror related, nor BLM related.

 

Sorry, chaps.

 

What's that meant to mean?

 

 

[jake]

1 hour ago, Harry Potter said:

Why are you sorry, this is a shocking event, im struggling to understand the world we live in just now.

 

6 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

What are you sorry for?

 

Just now, AlimOzturk said:

 

What's that meant to mean?

 

 

It I think means that Cade thinks people are choking to blame muslims or blm or use it politically.

 

Sort of like he does with a lot.

 

Even if the guy was shouting the Allah or blm to go round plunging a knife into random strangers imo makes him mentally unwell.

 

[Boy Daniel]

“Police have declared the stabbing attack in Reading in which three people died a "terrorist incident".

A 25-year-old man from Reading was arrested at the scene of the attack at about 19:00 BST on Saturday, which also left three people seriously injured.

Counter-terrorism police are now taking over the investigation, Thames Valley Police said.

Security sources told the BBC the man arrested is thought to be Libyan.

In a statement, Thames Valley Police said the attack had been declared a terror incident by Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon, senior national co-ordinator for the Counter Terrorism Policing network.”

[Francis Albert]

The more or less cryptic comments on the BLM thread (and some on here) seemed to fall into three camps. Some thought (or hoped) the stabbings were the work of BLM protesters or at least inspired by them. Others thought (or hoped) it was the result of a racist attack ("by Neanderthals") on BLM protesters. Then came the terrorist theory which meant that our civilisation had to be protected from these (muslim) "scum".

They all had in common an unwillingness to share their logic or evidence if any for their views. And of course an unwillingness to concede that they were wrong and had no real basis for their views, and with some a fondness for inappropriate smiling or laughing  emojis.

PS this crossed with Dannie Boy's confirmation that it is being treated as a terrorist act.

 

Edited June 21 by Francis Albert

[hueyview]

Sickening.  When folk are still nervous of the virus this happens.  Must have some hatred or insanity to attack folk you don't even know....

[ri Alban]

Just shot the *****. 

[weehammy]

Reports that suspect is Libyan who has previously served time in UK prison. So why wasn’t he lobbed back to Libya on completion of sentence? Oh I know - it would breach his human rights.

 

[Francis Albert]

1 minute ago, weehammy said:

Reports that suspect is Libyan who has previously served time in UK prison. So why wasn’t he lobbed back to Libya on completion of sentence? Oh I know - it would breach his human rights.

 

I read he served time for a non-terrorist related crime. Don't know his residence status in the UK do you? 

[Francis Albert]

12 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Just shot the *****. 

The Minneapolis approach to law enforcement?

[ri Alban]

Just now, Francis Albert said:

The Minneapolis approach to law enforcement?

He's killed 3 people, seems fair. 

[jake]

Just now, ri Alban said:

He's killed 3 people, seems fair. 

Are you in favour of the death penalty Alban?

 

I am for some crimes just so you dont think I'm trying to corner you.

 

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, jake said:

Are you in favour of the death penalty Alban?

 

I am for some crimes just so you dont think I'm trying to corner you.

 

Could be for sick fecks, and I'd shoot these folk on sight. 

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, ri Alban said:

Could be for sick fecks, and I'd shoot these folk on sight. 

How progressive of you. 

[weehammy]

2 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

I read he served time for a non-terrorist related crime. Don't know his residence status in the UK do you? 

I was being deliberately provocative. If he’s a UK citizen then he shouldn’t be described as Libyan.

Cards on the table: I am perfectly comfortable with immigration and was happy with EU freedom of movement. The exception to that was our inability to prevent people with a criminal record coming to the UK and to expel non-UK citizens who commit crimes here. Not saying exclusion or expulsion should be automatic but a sovereign state should be able to decide. The EU policy on this was a mess.

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

How progressive of you. 

 

What the **** is that even supposed to mean? 

 

I take it you'd pat the poor misunderstood chap on the bum and send him on his way. 

[ri Alban]

36 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

How progressive of you. 

I'm sure you could write him a stern letter. Then ending it on how it's not his fault. 👍

[Francis Albert]

39 minutes ago, weehammy said:

I was being deliberately provocative. If he’s a UK citizen then he shouldn’t be described as Libyan.

Cards on the table: I am perfectly comfortable with immigration and was happy with EU freedom of movement. The exception to that was our inability to prevent people with a criminal record coming to the UK and to expel non-UK citizens who commit crimes here. Not saying exclusion or expulsion should be automatic but a sovereign state should be able to decide. The EU policy on this was a mess.

Agree with all that.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

I'm sure you could write him a stern letter. Then ending it on how it's not his fault. 👍

No I would probably get him the mental health help that he clearly requires. Some of us have moved on from feudal times.

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

What the **** is that even supposed to mean? 

 

I take it you'd pat the poor misunderstood chap on the bum and send him on his way. 

It means that it’s 2020, when has it been acceptable for the police to shoot people? He should be tried and convicted in a court of law, it’s not the ****ing Wild West although a lot on here would prefer it that way it would seem. As someone who complains constantly about the U.K. and how we should rightly break away from it Ri seems to be less progressive than the wider movement he is a part of.
 

Edited June 21 by Pasquale for King

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 hours ago, weehammy said:

I was being deliberately provocative. If he’s a UK citizen then he shouldn’t be described as Libyan.

Cards on the table: I am perfectly comfortable with immigration and was happy with EU freedom of movement. The exception to that was our inability to prevent people with a criminal record coming to the UK and to expel non-UK citizens who commit crimes here. Not saying exclusion or expulsion should be automatic but a sovereign state should be able to decide. The EU policy on this was a mess.

Fair comment.

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, weehammy said:

I was being deliberately provocative. If he’s a UK citizen then he shouldn’t be described as Libyan.

Cards on the table: I am perfectly comfortable with immigration and was happy with EU freedom of movement. The exception to that was our inability to prevent people with a criminal record coming to the UK and to expel non-UK citizens who commit crimes here. Not saying exclusion or expulsion should be automatic but a sovereign state should be able to decide. The EU policy on this was a mess.

Not really sure if you’re correct about expulsion of any criminals, it can be easily done if they’re a danger to the public. So even if they come you can send them back, no matter where they come from.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8062/

Edited June 21 by Pasquale for King

[Locky]

Genuine question, but what is the difference between a terror attack and multiple stabbings? Does it depend on the ethnicity of the attacker?

[The Real Maroonblood]

5 minutes ago, Locky said:

Genuine question, but what is the difference between a terror attack and multiple stabbings? Does it depend on the ethnicity of the attacker?

Good question.

[Nucky Thompson]

5 minutes ago, Locky said:

Genuine question, but what is the difference between a terror attack and multiple stabbings? Does it depend on the ethnicity of the attacker?

Probably the reason why he done it. Shouting Allahu Akbar while stabbing random white folks is usually a giveaway.

Maybe they have found stuff when they raided his house

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

5 minutes ago, Locky said:

Genuine question, but what is the difference between a terror attack and multiple stabbings? Does it depend on the ethnicity of the attacker?

 

I'm not mad keen on the phrase. I suppose they have some evidence of motivation and it fits with the Muslim extremism/jihad narrative as most of us have been taught to understand it. 

 

But it doesn't mean much. An attack like that is obviously terrorising to those who were there and you others who feel vulnerable. 

 

My other issue with the phrase is that it implies it's the work of "terrorists", which had connotations of what that means historically - organised groups advancing an ideology, even if that ideology is mostly just violence. Seems to be the case with this guy, as with so many of these attackers over the last few years, that there was nothing like the organisation to the scale of traditional"terrorist attacks" like there used to be (IRA bombings, 9/11 etc.). Seems disingenuous to use the same phrase for lone, radicalized criminals. Adds to the intolerance of larger groups and takes the focus away from a lone murderer. 

[Pasquale for King]

4 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

 

I'm not mad keen on the phrase. I suppose they have some evidence of motivation and it fits with the Muslim extremism/jihad narrative as most of us have been taught to understand it. 

 

But it doesn't mean much. An attack like that is obviously terrorising to those who were there and you others who feel vulnerable. 

 

My other issue with the phrase is that it implies it's the work of "terrorists", which had connotations of what that means historically - organised groups advancing an ideology, even if that ideology is mostly just violence. Seems to be the case with this guy, as with so many of these attackers over the last few years, that there was nothing like the organisation to the scale of traditional"terrorist attacks" like there used to be (IRA bombings, 9/11 etc.). Seems disingenuous to use the same phrase for lone, radicalized criminals. Adds to the intolerance of larger groups and takes the focus away from a lone murderer. 

Well put.

[Pasquale for King]

7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Probably the reason why he done it. Shouting Allahu Akbar while stabbing random white folks is usually a giveaway.

Maybe they have found stuff when they raided his house

Did he do this? It’s usually widely reported if it happens. All I can see is the Daily Mail saying reports of him shouting something that nobody could work out, they also tried to tie it in with the BLM protest earlier in the day.

[Francis Albert]

22 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Well put.

Should the same discrmination be applied to the use of the word "racist"?

 

[Pasquale for King]

20 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Should the same discrmination be applied to the use of the word "racist"?

 

I think that’s a much clearer issue, mental health not always an issue. Maybe ask the person who initially said it too?

Edited June 21 by Pasquale for King

[Ray Gin]

As if there was enough bad **** going on at the moment without some brainwashed dickhead doing this.

 

Edited June 21 by Ray Gin

[Francis Albert]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I think that’s a much clearer issue, mental health not always an issue. Maybe ask the person who initially said it too?

Ok I think the person who initially said it will.pick up on the question if he chooses to.. Wuhen a black police officer kills a white person is it automatically racist?  When a white police officer kills a black.man is it automatically racist? And mental health is never an issue? 

I agree with point about "Terrorist" being used indiscriminately. But I think "racist" is also.

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Locky said:

Genuine question, but what is the difference between a terror attack and multiple stabbings? Does it depend on the ethnicity of the attacker?

Terror tack and multiple stabbings can of course coincide.

As to your second question the Norwegian guy who killed all those people in a summer camp a few years ago was a terrorist. The white people who killed all those children in Charlestone were terrorists. The Provisional IRA were terrorists.

So no it doesn't depend on the ethnicity of the attacker or the attacker's victims.

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

5 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Terror tack and multiple stabbings can of course coincide.

As to your second question the Norwegian guy who killed all those people in a summer camp a few years ago was a terrorist. The white people who killed all those children in Charlestone were terrorists. The Provisional IRA were terrorists.

So no it doesn't depend on the ethnicity of the attacker or the attacker's victims.

 

It could also be argued that the IRA were freedom fighters.

I’m not making a case for them.

Edited June 21 by The Real Maroonblood

[Dawnrazor]

3 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

It could also be argued that the IRA were freedom fighters.

I’m not making a case for them.

Good edit.