Riccarton3 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, Heartsmad1874 said: Atleast wait until you’ve heard our QC, FFS. It's unbelievable, eh? Not even leaving at 2-4 in injury time but half time one down to St Johnstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Aye! I thought the judge would have read the petitions, already had his opinion and he would have asked questions to the QC's to clarify things, then made a decision. That's what I thought a hearing was. I thought the whole arguments thing was reserved for an actual trial. I was with you. Basically the thing being discussed is whether the Court should hear the case and if so whether now or later. There is of course no jury and I assumed the judge would read the submissions, perhaps ask for clarification, and make a decision rather than listen to QCs droning on for days. Naïve of course knowing how notoriously inefficient the courts and legal system are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I think we have a good case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgerrard Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I think budge has messed up not taking legal actions sooner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators JKBMod 3 Posted July 1, 2020 Moderators Share Posted July 1, 2020 No comments on what is happening while the case is being heard please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Too many people making assumptions. If we are awarded compensation it is for wrongdoing. If we have been wronged in law we must be reinstated!! (imo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 35 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: should these threads not be locked during the court proceedings. People are providing commentary which is a complete breach of court rules. Personally, I'm not. I posted after the QC had stopped speaking. No one here is doing "live" commentary". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneneilberry Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rods said: It looks as though our best option now is compensation. Ffs god help an accused if you were a judge😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, williamgerrard said: I think budge has messed up not taking legal actions sooner If she had taken it to Court sooner without trying to gain reconstruction first then they would have used that against us saying we did not explore enought avenues to get a resolution. Now we have tried all the options and the last one is Court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Heartsmad1874 said: They would have argued that either way if we launched proceedings in April/May they would say reconstruction talks were ongoing. It’s an argument that doesn’t hold water. Yep. The arguments are weak as piss. We can win this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Arbitration panel would be confidential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, weegie jambo said: Excuse my ignorance again but it would seem unfair, as it is our case, for DU & SPFL to get their case in first and build up a head of steam before we get to put our case (and the primary reason for a hearing). Is this a normal precedent? and do you think it is advantageous to put our claim last thereby hopefully destroying the counter arguments and hopefully giving them no chance to come back in? It's not unfair. The reason for DU/RR/CR going first is that they have put a motion to the court about its competence to adjudicate the dispute. That has to come before the merits of the Hearts/PT claim itself. The "respondents", as they have raised to motion, will get the first and last words in this hearing. The "petitioners" in the arguments on the main case (Hearts & PT) will speak first and last in that hearing should it go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyrood_Hearts Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, williamgerrard said: I think budge has messed up not taking legal actions sooner How do you work that out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyrood_Hearts Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, wavydavy said: If she had taken it to Court sooner without trying to gain reconstruction first then they would have used that against us saying we did not explore enought avenues to get a resolution. Now we have tried all the options and the last one is Court. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Neil Dongcaster said: Arbitration panel would be confidential. Headed up by Doncaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Neil Dongcaster said: Arbitration panel would be confidential. Haha Jesus Christ that would be a rubber stamping exercise of “nexxxxtttt” without any Care or consideration to us, it would be absolutely pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Hope the judge asks why Budge was having to do Doncaster's job while this time was ticking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Neil Dongcaster said: Arbitration panel would be confidential. One look at who is on both boards should kick that shitty suggestion in to touch (imho). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Rick Sanchez said: Hope the judge asks why Budge was having to do Doncaster's job while this time was ticking. Maybe he will ask him to submit a paper about it first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Has the judge got his black cap on yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: Personally, I'm not. I posted after the QC had stopped speaking. No one here is doing "live" commentary". Yes usually commentary takes place immediately after the event bright spark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Not sure if this has been posted on here already. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53220834 Ending the French Ligue 1 season early was a "massive error" and one that showed "an obvious lack of leadership", says Lyon president Jean-Michel Aulas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Gershwin said: One look at who is on both boards should kick that shitty suggestion in to touch (imho). Don't think it is made up of board members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Speaking last is surely a tactical advantage, given the option that would be my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Going with the commentary on here Their whole defence is that it's a sporting matter, nothing to see here. Hopefully once we put other points across the judge will see that it isn't. Their defence holds or dies on the decision today/ thur/ fri. All of their nasty wee, rotten eggs in one basket. Surely we have planned for this and will blow it to pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixHearts Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Sooperstar said: Don't think it is made up of board members. However I have no doubt an arbitration panel would be "meticulously chosen" by board members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Silence in court!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) Edited Edited July 1, 2020 by Neil Dongcaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, williamgerrard said: I think budge has messed up not taking legal actions sooner Pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said: Hope the judge asks why Budge was having to do Doncaster's job while this time was ticking. Hopefully he just asks "if time was a factor, what was he actually doing, full stop and if time was a factor why weren't the executive powers used to mitigate the fall out of covid.?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) I would err on the side of caution about posting whats been said. Edited July 1, 2020 by Heartsmad1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajthejambo Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 It's not going to sound positive when we've not spoken yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Yes usually commentary takes place immediately after the event bright spark No one was updating anything from the court in real time so there were no legal problems. Got that, bright spark ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Heartsmad1874 said: I would err on the side of caution about posting whats been said. Edited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 50 minutes ago, BASIL_HEARTS said: Mclaren turning down the Dundee United job. Maybe because they are gonna be in the championship? BBC saying the league fixtures are out on Monday. Be a shame if they had to "re-do" them eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, bajthejambo said: It's not going to sound positive when we've not spoken yet. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: Don't think it is made up of board members. I don't think that should matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Hope some on here are never on jury duty any time soon 🤪 Always better to listen to the full case and the arguments from both sides......nothing like jumping the gun eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Rather a lot of yellow bellied sods on here!!! This isnt over, we havent even spoken yet. Stop getting suckered in by the spfls QC!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Leveins Battalion said: Why? hibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjack Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, Pans Jambo said: BBC saying the league fixtures are out on Monday. Be a shame if they had to "re-do" them eh? They might already be prepared for that. Hibs v Dundee hibs around new years day, both of them never being at home on the same weekend etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said: BBC saying the league fixtures are out on Monday. Be a shame if they had to "re-do" them eh? You mean get that poor guy in America to sort out the fixtures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Has he really aye???? Really??? Well that's a shocker!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, Jambof3tornado said: Rather a lot of yellow bellied sods on here!!! This isnt over, we havent even spoken yet. Stop getting suckered in by the spfls QC!! Of course their arguments sound good. Having thought about it. We get to listen to their arguments and then big Davie T gets to rip them up for arse paper at the end. Hope he's on form today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: This is all new to me too - but it seems to me the QC is making it very plain Hearts must go to arbitration as it's set out as being a member of the SPFL & the SFA. As I said earlier on the thread , it seems very odd to me that DUFC are saying Hearts should go to arbitration - I'd have thought the SPFL would be making that case. Hopefully your last point will be clarified when Hearts get up to speak. Did he miss out the bit that says that clubs can take disputes to the Court of Session if outside the scope of the SFA? As in disputes covered by civil/company law! I suspect he did. Whenever a QC puts forward a case, without interruption from the opposing counsel, he's bound to make it sound like he is correct in everything he says and be able to convince the layman that he has a winning case. It is only after the petitioners' QC has had an opportunity to put forward his case that we will have the opportunity to gauge how it's going. Remember that, as has been said plenty of times on this thread, the rules of the SFA and SPFL do not take precedence over the Court of Session, or the law of the land, and if Lord Clark decides it is a dispute best settled in a court of law, in a court of law it will be settled. In the CoS the court will not be looking to rule on what is best for Scottish football (as rightly or wrongly viewed by the SFA) but looking to ensure the law of the land is adhered to and that no company is disadvantaged unfairly by another or others. The court will look for a remedy that puts everyone in the position they would have been had no wrongful act taken place, which will be why Dundee Utd etc are so adversely affected by the proceedings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, bajthejambo said: It's not going to sound positive when we've not spoken yet. Exactly. The Silks for the "promoted" clubs and SPFL would be pretty negligent if when they spoke, it sounded positive for our case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Rambo Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: Not sure if this has been posted on here already. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53220834 Ending the French Ligue 1 season early was a "massive error" and one that showed "an obvious lack of leadership", says Lyon president Jean-Michel Aulas. I posted a longer extract earlier as a distraction from the 'case'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, Neil Dongcaster said: The argument is that they would form an independent and ‘confidential’ panel. They can’t be serious 😂😂😂 they are never ever independent. No doubt will be asking Peter Lawell to chair it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, Neil Dongcaster said: The argument is that they would form an independent and ‘confidential’ panel. And who would pick this panel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Let Them Forget Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Swedish law 😴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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