New Labour Party leader - Keir Starmer wins

[luckydug]

Good decision from Labour. 

As a trade unionist I had the chance to vote but as I haven't voted Labour for years it didnt seem right to activate it. 

If they can just get someone with a clue to lead the party in Scotland they will be in a good position to capitalise on the coming split in the SNP. 

There is a large hard core of people in Scotland (me included) who would rather jump of the Forth Bridge than vote Tory. 

However if Salmond and his friends are determined to split the SNP there is a chance of a Labour comeback in Scotland. 

[JamboAl]

3 hours ago, Selkirk_Jambo said:

People seem to want to paint Starmer as a centrist just because he looks and sounds like what you'd expect a Blairite to look and sound like. His agenda may not be massively radical, and he is course more toward the centre than Corbyn, but pledges such as increasing Income Tax for the top 5%, nationalisation of key industries and working hand in hand with trade unions don't strike me as someone angling for the 'Red Tory' vote.

 

I think he'll appeal to a lot of people on the left, with Rayner as deputy leader definitely helping. The voting numbers also suggest he has has some support from a fair few in Momentum, which is interesting. 

 

From a Scottish point of view, I am hugely interested in his ideas for UK federalism. In my opinion, Scotland becoming a federal state within the UK could and would only end up being a precursor to independence and I think he thinks that too. Perhaps diluting Labour's attitude toward indy to try and snare some seats back up here? 

 

I think it's starting to dawn on Momentum that no matter how precious they feel their agenda is, it will be futile unless they are in power.

[Seymour M Hersh]

18 hours ago, The Brow said:

 

How can you have a female PM if youre not in power? Out of the last 30 years they've only been in power a handful of years. 

 

50% of Labours current MPs are women. If you're going to try fishing, at least make a half decent attempt at it. 

 

Well you also have to have voted in a woman as party leader and your party has failed to do that time and time again. 

[ri Alban]

27 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Well you also have to have voted in a woman as party leader and your party has failed to do that time and time again. 

The set up isn't the same for both parties. 

[jack D and coke]

11 hours ago, Selkirk_Jambo said:

People seem to want to paint Starmer as a centrist just because he looks and sounds like what you'd expect a Blairite to look and sound like. His agenda may not be massively radical, and he is course more toward the centre than Corbyn, but pledges such as increasing Income Tax for the top 5%, nationalisation of key industries and working hand in hand with trade unions don't strike me as someone angling for the 'Red Tory' vote.

 

I think he'll appeal to a lot of people on the left, with Rayner as deputy leader definitely helping. The voting numbers also suggest he has has some support from a fair few in Momentum, which is interesting. 

 

From a Scottish point of view, I am hugely interested in his ideas for UK federalism. In my opinion, Scotland becoming a federal state within the UK could and would only end up being a precursor to independence and I think he thinks that too. Perhaps diluting Labour's attitude toward indy to try and snare some seats back up here? 

 

Labour have been fooling people up here with this nonsense for a century. It’s amazing how quickly people forget the cronyism and jobs for the boys these labour councils had for 50 years up here. Scotland was theirs they done what they wanted. I suppose all we’re waiting for is them rolling Broon out to promise us it’ll happen. Understand  too that the Scottish Parliament was not given to us by labour. They were forced into it.

https://www.electricscotland.com/independence/uncommittee.htm
Labour have lied to Scotland for far too long we can’t fall for their bullshit again. 

[dobmisterdobster]

The 2019 election salted the earth for Labour.

The leadership is a poisoned chalice.

Overturning an 80 seat majority, new gerrymandered constituency boundaries, limited appeal to parts of the country, no revival in Scotland likely, centrist liberalism in a post-corona world will be a tough sell.

[Zico]

Good. Hopefully he can weed out those Momentum nutters. 

[Mikey1874]

14 hours ago, Selkirk_Jambo said:

People seem to want to paint Starmer as a centrist just because he looks and sounds like what you'd expect a Blairite to look and sound like. His agenda may not be massively radical, and he is course more toward the centre than Corbyn, but pledges such as increasing Income Tax for the top 5%, nationalisation of key industries and working hand in hand with trade unions don't strike me as someone angling for the 'Red Tory' vote.

 

I think he'll appeal to a lot of people on the left, with Rayner as deputy leader definitely helping. The voting numbers also suggest he has has some support from a fair few in Momentum, which is interesting. 

 

From a Scottish point of view, I am hugely interested in his ideas for UK federalism. In my opinion, Scotland becoming a federal state within the UK could and would only end up being a precursor to independence and I think he thinks that too. Perhaps diluting Labour's attitude toward indy to try and snare some seats back up here? 

 

 

Every Labour Prime Minister has been pragmatic and appealed to wider groups of people. 

 

Starmer for me is no where near Harold Wilson or Tony Blair. But he's got potential appeal as someone people can trust. 

 

And what is acceptable has changed. For example I expect Rishi Sunak to propose windfall taxes in the new tax framework to help rebuild. In the real, new 'all in it together' world. 

 

Nationalising the railways for example might just be necessary not an ideological debating point. 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Mikey1874]

Changing things takes a while. 

 

Lots of Corbyn supporters within the Labour machine. Corbyn himself faced massive opposition and sabotage for first 2 years he was leader. 

 

Starmer a bit tougher I think and more able to move to unify. 

[ri Alban]

Is that halfwit Thornberry gone?

[ri Alban]

Chuka the creep rejoining yet?

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

Is that halfwit Thornberry gone?

 

Lost position but staying in Shadow Cabinet it's being said. 

[Dawnrazor]

6 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Chuka the creep rejoining yet?

No, he's got the Greens, Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party, BNP and Monster Raving Loony Party to join and leave before going back to Labour.......should take about 5 days going by his past record.

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said:

No, he's got the Greens, Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party, BNP and Monster Raving Loony Party to join and leave before going back to Labour.......should take about 5 days going by his past record.

That long?

[ri Alban]

8 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Lost position but staying in Shadow Cabinet it's being said. 

Brutal, she's a pain in the arse.

[BlackJAC?]

Lets be honest, Margaret Thatcher 2.0 would have been preferential to Corbyn for many.  I'm not holding my breath that Keir is gonna change Labour's fortunes. The rot has been happening before Corbyn got anywhere near the leadership and I suspect it will take years to undo that rot.

 

My biggest issue with Labour, especially Scottish Labour in recent years was I had no ****ing clue what they were actually offering. Like no clue at all. Scottish Labour were too busy trashing the SNP to actually spend any time putting across to people what their manifesto was or was going to be. The fliers they were shoving through my door were all trashing SNP policies, but they gave absolutely no indication what their alternatives were. Ditto for London.  They were too bothered highlighting Tory mistakes to concentrate on themselves.  They should focus more on themselves than other parties.

[Pasquale for King]

19 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

Was he not high up in the CPS when the Jimmy Savile case was going on? 

Yeah he made the decision that there wasn’t enough evidence to proceed, made a sir not long after, no connection allegedly  🤷🏾‍♂️🤔🙈.

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Yeah he made the decision that there wasn’t enough evidence to proceed, made a sir not long after, no connection allegedly  🤷🏾‍♂️🤔🙈.

I thought so, I hope his judgement has improved. 

[East Lothian Jambo]

30 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Is that halfwit Thornberry gone?

She's an odious creature 

[luckydug]

48 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said:

Lets be honest, Margaret Thatcher 2.0 would have been preferential to Corbyn for many.  I'm not holding my breath that Keir is gonna change Labour's fortunes. The rot has been happening before Corbyn got anywhere near the leadership and I suspect it will take years to undo that rot.

 

My biggest issue with Labour, especially Scottish Labour in recent years was I had no ****ing clue what they were actually offering. Like no clue at all. Scottish Labour were too busy trashing the SNP to actually spend any time putting across to people what their manifesto was or was going to be. The fliers they were shoving through my door were all trashing SNP policies, but they gave absolutely no indication what their alternatives were. Ditto for London.  They were too bothered highlighting Tory mistakes to concentrate on themselves.  They should focus more on themselves than other parties.

Trashing the SNP and forgetting that 20% of their own members in Scotland supported Independence. 😂

[Owlvisiting]

20 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

Was he not high up in the CPS when the Jimmy Savile case was going on? 

 

As pointed out by many on the Right Wing on Twitter today.

 

Savile and Thatcher as big buddies seems to have been overlooked.

 

Not an auspicious start, but getting out of the way early might be beneficial.

[jack D and coke]

Lisa Nandy is a poisonous wee rodent. Not a good appointment for me that one. 

[Diadora Van Basten]

So Keir Starmer what’s your current policy on Brexit?

 

Face drops knuckles go white.

[AlimOzturk]

Was Keir Starmer not the guy who was.in charge of the initial investigation into Jimmy Saville and dropped the charges against him,?

[OTT]

On 04/04/2020 at 22:59, luckydug said:

Good decision from Labour. 

As a trade unionist I had the chance to vote but as I haven't voted Labour for years it didnt seem right to activate it. 

If they can just get someone with a clue to lead the party in Scotland they will be in a good position to capitalise on the coming split in the SNP. 

There is a large hard core of people in Scotland (me included) who would rather jump of the Forth Bridge than vote Tory. 

However if Salmond and his friends are determined to split the SNP there is a chance of a Labour comeback in Scotland. 

 

I'm actually not sure about any split, certainly not with the MP seats. A split in the MSP seats might actually promote a pro-indy majority and push out the weakest of the pro-union parties in Holyrood due to how the list votes work (I believe). 

 

I think there is a feeling among many pro-indy voters that many of the senior hierarchy aren't serious about actually achieving independence - guys like Pete Wishart or Stewart McDonald (for example) seem quite content being essentially a pressure group and not much else. Careerists seems to be a term being directed towards them. - I actually think its a pretty sweet set up they've got. the nation is split around 50/50 but the Unionist half is split between Labour, Tories & Lib dems. Fair to say most seats are the SNP's to lose, so its as safe a job as you can get to some extent!

 

I could see Salmond, Cherry and co forming a party which is entirely focused on the list seats to try and put more pressure on focusing on achieving another referendum. 

 

I don't see much way back for Salmond within the SNP with current leadership. Especially with his accusers allegedly occupying senior(ish) positions within the SNP. 

 

Could totally be wrong by the way. Thats entirely conjecture on my part. 

[Mikey1874]

 

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[Space Mackerel]

On 04/04/2020 at 19:18, JamboAl said:

Starmer could not get elected without a fair number of Leftie votes suggesting they have rejected themselves.

Maybe the penny is dropping.

 

Looking at the appointments of Ian Murray and Ed Milliband it's looking like a hark back to Tory lite now.

[SectionDJambo]

22 hours ago, Owlvisiting said:

 

As pointed out by many on the Right Wing on Twitter today.

 

Savile and Thatcher as big buddies seems to have been overlooked.

 

Not an auspicious start, but getting out of the way early might be beneficial.

Thatcher was told not to give Saville a knighthood, by her civil service advisors. She did it anyway.

The Tories should have nothing to say about any decision that Starmer may have had to reach, based on the evidence available.

[Space Mackerel]

[manaliveits105]

Congrats Ian Murray 

[GinRummy]

33 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Congrats Ian Murray 

Seconded. Top guy. 

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Looking at the appointments of Ian Murray and Ed Milliband it's looking like a hark back to Tory lite now.

Whatever that's supposed to mean?

Starmer is obviously trying to create a broad church within the Shadow Cabinet and it would be an insult to Murray not to appoint him in the Scottish role.  He is the only Labour MP from a Scottish constituency i believe.

[The Brow]

On 04/04/2020 at 20:51, John Findlay said:

They are anti woman as leader.

 

Or...the female candidates have been worse than the male ones. Look at the 3 candidates on Saturday. You cant possibly be suggesting the correct person didnt win..? 

 

Or are you suggesting they should have a female leader to appease people like yourself? 

[The Brow]

On 05/04/2020 at 08:21, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Well you also have to have voted in a woman as party leader and your party has failed to do that time and time again. 

 

I cant even pretend to know what this is about 

 

Whose party? 

[Seymour M Hersh]

2 hours ago, The Brow said:

 

I cant even pretend to know what this is about 

 

Whose party? 

 

Not a labour supporter then? 

[The Brow]

47 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Not a labour supporter then? 

 

No. They're a **** load better than the Tories though. 

[ri Alban]

Mrs Balls must be really liked.

[Seymour M Hersh]

27 minutes ago, The Brow said:

 

No. They're a **** load better than the Tories though. 

 

Well that's a matter of opinion I suppose. 

[John Findlay]

4 hours ago, The Brow said:

 

Or...the female candidates have been worse than the male ones. Look at the 3 candidates on Saturday. You cant possibly be suggesting the correct person didnt win..? 

 

Or are you suggesting they should have a female leader to appease people like yourself? 

No. I am saying that despite all of Labour's rhetoric with regards gender equality, they womt have a woman as leader, are you saying they have never had a woman in all their history who hasnt been capable of leading the party? If that is the case, why?

[luckydug]

9 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

No. I am saying that despite all of Labour's rhetoric with regards gender equality, they womt have a woman as leader, are you saying they have never had a woman in all their history who hasnt been capable of leading the party? If that is the case, why?

Barbera Castle would have been well capable of not only leading the party but also a good PM imo. 

Margaret Becket also. 

 

 

[John Findlay]

2 minutes ago, luckydug said:

Barbera Castle would have been well capable of not only leading the party but also a good PM imo. 

Margaret Becket also. 

 

 

Agree re Castle, not so sure about Beckett.

[ri Alban]

Maybe the Men were Better. See this someone for the job just for the sake of it. Gets on my tits.

Kezia Dugdale  and Joanne Lamont were leaders of the  Scottish labour party. So they have had female leaders.

 

 

 

 

I hate predictive text! 😠

Edited April 6, 2020 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

I can't believe he's brought in Long Baillie, Thornberry and Nandy.