ri Alban Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 If it's not Keir Starmer, they should chuck it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) With the disaster which was Corbyn and his mates, they cannot continue the Corbyn line with 3 names. Lisa Nandy could be in the future, but if they want to save the party from oblivion, it's Keir Starmer, imo. The only one with any credibility. Edited April 4, 2020 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, ri Alban said: With the disaster which was Corbyn and his mates, they cannot continue the Corbyn line with 3 names. Lisa Nandy could be in the future, but if they want to save the party from oblivion, it's Keir Starmer, imo. The only one with any credibility. Comes across as reasonably coherent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Montgomery Brewster said: Comes across as reasonably coherent. Never flustered, but leadership might change all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) What time is it to be announced? They need a dramatic move from Corbynism policies. The new leader is going to have their work cut out. Cant think of a worse time to be elected Labour leader following the catastrophe that was Jezza's leadership. Edited April 4, 2020 by Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, Marvin said: What time is it to be announced? They need a dramatic move from Corbynism policies. The new leader is going to have their work cut out. Cant think of a worse time to be elected Labour leader following the catastrophe that was Jezza's leadership. Or the best time? Bungling Boris and his cabinet of eugenics supporting loonies havent exactly covered themselves in glory. If it is Starmer, he at least looks, and more importantly talks, like a proper statesman. He could waltz in, sack any momentum proper hardcore left wing mad *****, anyone involved in the jewish nonsense and get a while new shadow cabinet on the go. People want to see decisive action. There's no place for left or right wing politics in major party - you have to be pretty much centralists with a leaning towards one. Hopefully Labour can get back to some form of votable party. Corbyn ended up an absolute ****ing disaster, however, the terrorism smears were mental. Anyone actually believing that was off their tits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 58 minutes ago, Marvin said: What time is it to be announced? They need a dramatic move from Corbynism policies. The new leader is going to have their work cut out. Cant think of a worse time to be elected Labour leader following the catastrophe that was Jezza's leadership. 11am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Starmer is Leader Angela Rayner Deputy Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Keir Starmer is the new Labour party leader. Angela Rayner is deputy. Good decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Victorian Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Those percentages are a thumping departure from the left. Pretty surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Game on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) Ian Murray 14.3% in 2nd round, eliminated. Edited April 4, 2020 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I haven't been paying any attention, what's Keir Starmer's deal? What does this mean for Labour in terms of policies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I'll be honest, I don't really give a shit. I do see Jackie Baillie was elected to deputy leader up here today. Even she makes Richard Leonard sound half intelligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, AlphonseCapone said: I haven't been paying any attention, what's Keir Starmer's deal? What does this mean for Labour in terms of policies? A mix. And a little uncertain. Starmer could equally be framed as left wing and centrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, AlphonseCapone said: I haven't been paying any attention, what's Keir Starmer's deal? What does this mean for Labour in terms of policies? Think he will be more central but still leaning quite a bit to the left.Raynar good deputy as well I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Ian Murray 14.3% in 2nd round, eliminated in 3rd round. The Bairites of Nandy and Murray have been well rejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, AlphonseCapone said: I haven't been paying any attention, what's Keir Starmer's deal? What does this mean for Labour in terms of policies? Leftish moderate. Not a Blairite. Policy will still come from conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Space Mackerel said: I'll be honest, I don't really give a shit. I do see Jackie Baillie was elected to deputy leader up here today. Even she makes Richard Leonard sound half intelligent Leonard only won in Scotland as Corbyn supporter. Isolated now. Edited April 4, 2020 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) First female deputy leader of UK party? Edited April 4, 2020 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: First female deputy leader of UK party? No. Harman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: No. Harman. margaret beckett surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 His key appointments were leaked last weekend. Big changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Union vote 1. Starmer 2. Nandy 3. Long Bailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Union vote 1. Starmer 2. Nandy 3. Long Bailey shocked they didn't go for long bailey as the closet to corbyn. maybe they have realised their mistakes from backing corbyn and ed milliband before him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 So, how is Richard Leonard up here going to shape shift (again) into a more centrist left position? He, who is a member of CND but agrees on having nuclear weapons. 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: I haven't been paying any attention, what's Keir Starmer's deal? What does this mean for Labour in terms of policies? Back to Blairite woud be my best guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: First female deputy leader of UK party? Meanwhile the Conservatives have had two female Prime Ministers but folk still think Labour support women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Meanwhile the Conservatives have had two female Prime Ministers but folk still think Labour support women. It's a mistaken argument. Labour has the best process and record on female MPs. Conservatives much less female representation overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, milky_26 said: shocked they didn't go for long bailey as the closet to corbyn. maybe they have realised their mistakes from backing corbyn and ed milliband before him Unions reacted to election by rejecting Corbynism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Lothian Jambo Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: I'll be honest, I don't really give a shit. I do see Jackie Baillie was elected to deputy leader up here today. Even she makes Richard Leonard sound half intelligent. You do surprise me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: It's a mistaken argument. Labour has the best process and record on female MPs. Conservatives much less female representation overall. It's a fact is what it is. Labour is all window dressing (that's only my opinion though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: It's a fact is what it is. Labour is all window dressing (that's only my opinion though). The processes in Labour to get in more women MPs is certainly not window dressing. But maybe, especially with the unions there is a male bias at the sharp end. Thatcher and May are fascinating case studies. Almost unbelievable they became leaders but they did. Edited April 4, 2020 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, East Lothian Jambo said: You do surprise me Ok, maybe a wee bit. https://labourlist.org/2020/01/starmer-calls-for-federal-uk-to-deliver-radical-devolution-of-power/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 54 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Ok, maybe a wee bit. https://labourlist.org/2020/01/starmer-calls-for-federal-uk-to-deliver-radical-devolution-of-power/ Not Labour and their big mad mental federalism chat again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Not Labour and their big mad mental federalism chat again? London the city state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Good appointment. Will be interesting to see who he appoints to the Shadow Cabinet. If he can boot Momentum to ****, deal with the anti semitism nonsense and clear out the Corbyn acolytes then Labour will get my vote again. Good luck Keir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: It's a fact is what it is. Labour is all window dressing (that's only my opinion though). How can you have a female PM if youre not in power? Out of the last 30 years they've only been in power a handful of years. 50% of Labours current MPs are women. If you're going to try fishing, at least make a half decent attempt at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Brow said: How can you have a female PM if youre not in power? Out of the last 30 years they've only been in power a handful of years. 50% of Labours current MPs are women. If you're going to try fishing, at least make a half decent attempt at it. Big hands! 13 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Big hands! 13 years Sorry I actually meant 40 years. Doing the whole 'the year 2000 was last week' thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, The Brow said: How can you have a female PM if youre not in power? Out of the last 30 years they've only been in power a handful of years. 50% of Labours current MPs are women. If you're going to try fishing, at least make a half decent attempt at it. not being in power doesn't stop them having a female leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, milky_26 said: not being in power doesn't stop them having a female leader I agree but he specifically said PM and is insinuating they're anti woman. Mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, milky_26 said: not being in power doesn't stop them having a female leader Foot and Corbyn were a couple of diddies does that count. Edited April 4, 2020 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Thank Christ there's two Tory parties to vote for again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: The Bairites of Nandy and Murray have been well rejected. Starmer could not get elected without a fair number of Leftie votes suggesting they have rejected themselves. Maybe the penny is dropping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 6 hours ago, The Brow said: I agree but he specifically said PM and is insinuating they're anti woman. Mental. They are anti woman as leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirk_Jambo Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) People seem to want to paint Starmer as a centrist just because he looks and sounds like what you'd expect a Blairite to look and sound like. His agenda may not be massively radical, and he is course more toward the centre than Corbyn, but pledges such as increasing Income Tax for the top 5%, nationalisation of key industries and working hand in hand with trade unions don't strike me as someone angling for the 'Red Tory' vote. I think he'll appeal to a lot of people on the left, with Rayner as deputy leader definitely helping. The voting numbers also suggest he has has some support from a fair few in Momentum, which is interesting. From a Scottish point of view, I am hugely interested in his ideas for UK federalism. In my opinion, Scotland becoming a federal state within the UK could and would only end up being a precursor to independence and I think he thinks that too. Perhaps diluting Labour's attitude toward indy to try and snare some seats back up here? Edited April 4, 2020 by Selkirk_Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Was he not high up in the CPS when the Jimmy Savile case was going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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