Blackie the Cat Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 https://www.football.london/crystal-palace-fc/news/crystal-palace-news-sorloth-transfer-18011128 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Anywhere but celtic is a positive even if we lose out on money (doubt we will as there’s so much more money down there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbauld Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Why would we rush through a cheap transfer to them ? We are strong enough to wait a bit and there are better teams than them interested which would probably appeal more to Hickey and pay us more. He doesn't want to stay so he can go but we gave him his chance so we get the best deal we can out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, alanbauld said: Why would we rush through a cheap transfer to them ? We are strong enough to wait a bit and there are better teams than them interested which would probably appeal more to Hickey and pay us more. He doesn't want to stay so he can go but we gave him his chance so we get the best deal we can out of it. This is true. However he'd have a better chance of regular football with CP than say Man C to find his feet. He can then get his big transfer in the same way as Andy Robertson did going to Liverpool via Hull. So I wouldn't rule it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAndrew Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Cheapish transfer with sell on fee would do nicely. By cheapish I mean English premier league cheap, not Scottish premier league cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhelen Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 I'm sure he could learn loads under Woy. Ultimately though it will be down to where he wants to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJambo Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 I'm a Palace season ticket holder and this story has been going around for some time. Palace need cover at full-back. We sold Wan-Bissaka to Man U at the start of this season and didn't replace him. But £50m for Wan Bissaka and £1m for Hickey? Shows the ridiculous nature of transfer fees in England and Scotland. I would question if he has the physicality at the moment for the EPL but presumably he will be one for the future. We bought Scott Banks from Dundee Utd in Jan and then loaned him out to Alloa - bit of a strange one. Anyway - hope the transfer happens and that Hearts get a good fee from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Could he not just reject the 50% pay reduction and then go on a free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Lothian Jambo Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 The lad really needs another year or possibly 2 with us Still very young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 40 minutes ago, Longshanks said: Could he not just reject the 50% pay reduction and then go on a free? Was about to say the same. They cant make exceptions. Our "fee" might be all the wages we have cut back on. Chance you take and the price of business Hope he stays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 31 minutes ago, East Lothian Jambo said: The lad really needs another year or possibly 2 with us Still very young Yup, not the first and certainly won't be the last. Shame really, 2 years could really see him kick on. Hope we get a fair fee for him so we can try and invest more in the academy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Lothian Jambo Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, OTT said: Yup, not the first and certainly won't be the last. Shame really, 2 years could really see him kick on. Hope we get a fair fee for him so we can try and invest more in the academy. I believe we have invested significantly in the Academy over last 6 years. I'm not convinced we've seen any meaningful return after what feels like a substantial period of time Hickey has played the most but he did so by making his debut less than a year after joining from Celtic. Brandon the same after joining from Rangers The Academy has basically produced: Cochrane Macdonald Henderson Moore Irving Not sure that's terribly great return if millions of pounds have been directed towards Academy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, East Lothian Jambo said: I believe we have invested significantly in the Academy over last 6 years. I'm not convinced we've seen any meaningful return after what feels like a substantial period of time Hickey has played the most but he did so by making his debut less than a year after joining from Celtic. Brandon the same after joining from Rangers The Academy has basically produced: Cochrane Macdonald Henderson Moore Irving Not sure that's terribly great return if millions of pounds have been directed towards Academy Yeah, compared to Paterson, Nicholson, Carrick, King, Walker & Holt we've not really saw the same quality of returns. I know there is a fair degree of luck around youth development (e.g. player amazing up until pro then suddenly out of depth and shite). Considering how poor the quality of football is in Scotland coupled with the investment you point out makes me wonder about who is running the academy. Its a results driven business and the results aren't there. If anything it should be easier to break into the first team at Hearts compared to various clubs down south. It doesn't look like thats the case and begs the question why? We've made a big song and dance about youth development and not really produced anyone of note in 5 years. Thats certainly long enough IMO. I'm sure posters who are more familiar with the academy will be better placed to comment though. Certainly at a glance thats my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 hours ago, David Bennett said: I'm a Palace season ticket holder and this story has been going around for some time. Palace need cover at full-back. We sold Wan-Bissaka to Man U at the start of this season and didn't replace him. But £50m for Wan Bissaka and £1m for Hickey? Shows the ridiculous nature of transfer fees in England and Scotland. I would question if he has the physicality at the moment for the EPL but presumably he will be one for the future. We bought Scott Banks from Dundee Utd in Jan and then loaned him out to Alloa - bit of a strange one. Anyway - hope the transfer happens and that Hearts get a good fee from it. Definately one for the future,he has all the attributes to make it at a high level,still one or two years needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Longshanks said: Could he not just reject the 50% pay reduction and then go on a free? He might not qualify for a pay cut because he's still on youth wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 hours ago, David Bennett said: I'm a Palace season ticket holder and this story has been going around for some time. Palace need cover at full-back. We sold Wan-Bissaka to Man U at the start of this season and didn't replace him. But £50m for Wan Bissaka and £1m for Hickey? Shows the ridiculous nature of transfer fees in England and Scotland. I would question if he has the physicality at the moment for the EPL but presumably he will be one for the future. We bought Scott Banks from Dundee Utd in Jan and then loaned him out to Alloa - bit of a strange one. Anyway - hope the transfer happens and that Hearts get a good fee from it. Like a young Paolo Maldini. Physically not quite there yet but he can cope with the nature of it up here so I don't think that's the main issue. The main is being, he's probably not quick enough to cope with the 100m sprinters that play in the wide areas of the EPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Decent initial fee, add ons, sell on fee and a 1 year loan back. Palace are quite a small team but the lure of playing in the Prem for a London team would be too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Cruyff said: He might not qualify for a pay cut because he's still on youth wages. That is my understanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 When does his contract with us run out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, East Lothian Jambo said: I believe we have invested significantly in the Academy over last 6 years. I'm not convinced we've seen any meaningful return after what feels like a substantial period of time Hickey has played the most but he did so by making his debut less than a year after joining from Celtic. Brandon the same after joining from Rangers The Academy has basically produced: Cochrane Macdonald Henderson Moore Irving Not sure that's terribly great return if millions of pounds have been directed towards Academy Agreed. With the amount of investment we should definitely be producing higher quality players. The lack of physical players coming through is a worry, I.e a lack of size, pace and strength. Majority of them seem quite technical but don’t have the right balance (yes they can bulk up I know) but pace is a more natural attribute. Hickey is quality and I like Irving but apart from that I can’t see many from the current group of reserves making it longer term at the club, although Hickey will be gone soon so essentially only leaves Irving. Henderson and Moore won’t be good enough and there are question marks over Cochrane and McDonald. Young Stone in goals is a good prospect as is Connor Smith so hopefully those lads can kick on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: When does his contract with us run out? Next May I believe, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJambo Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 45 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Like a young Paolo Maldini. Physically not quite there yet but he can cope with the nature of it up here so I don't think that's the main issue. The main is being, he's probably not quick enough to cope with the 100m sprinters that play in the wide areas of the EPL. Interesting. The one player I thought would make it in the EPL was Callum Paterson and he did well with Cardiff in the one season they were in the top league. Agree with your point about Hickey's physique but Wan Bissaka isn't that big and he's coped well, though he is quick which picks up your other point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald Villiers Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 56 minutes ago, Cruyff said: He might not qualify for a pay cut because he's still on youth wages. Yes, I'm sure I read somewhere that he was on pretty low wages so wouldn't be expected to take a pay cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Palace might be a good bet for Aaron. I think Roy Hodgson (if he stays - he's getting on a bit) is a wise manager and would treat Hickey well. There wouldn't be a huge amount of pressure put on him and they seem to be a grounded club. As long as we get a good fee and decent sell-on, of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 It would be a good move for him, good club with a good manager. He could learn his trade and get a big move, sell on fee is a must. It looks like he’s not signing a new deal so now is the time to cash in if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Lothian Jambo Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Famous 1874 said: Agreed. With the amount of investment we should definitely be producing higher quality players. The lack of physical players coming through is a worry, I.e a lack of size, pace and strength. Majority of them seem quite technical but don’t have the right balance (yes they can bulk up I know) but pace is a more natural attribute. Hickey is quality and I like Irving but apart from that I can’t see many from the current group of reserves making it longer term at the club, although Hickey will be gone soon so essentially only leaves Irving. Henderson and Moore won’t be good enough and there are question marks over Cochrane and McDonald. Young Stone in goals is a good prospect as is Connor Smith so hopefully those lads can kick on. If the Academy was producing there could be a case for cutting Levein some slack. Quite incredibly the Academy hasn't produc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Palace are the kind of club that Hickey should absolutely be looking to move to. More chance of being involved whilst actively being developed, rather than just being one of the youths. It would be a great move for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Think it would be the best move for Hickey. More chance of game time. Although if we got him back for a year first would be happier. Mark Wotte said that instead of going down to sit in clubs academies play 100 games first. Celtic have an abundance of left backs. Christ they paid £3m for Scotland no 3 left back and he can barely get a run of games. Also think folk might be a little harsh on the academy. It was decimated after previous regime. The potential was the first team. Some of which might never have broke through. We have rebuild. Some exciting prospects. More will come through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Famous 1874 said: Next May I believe, 2021 cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Prince Buaben said: Think it would be the best move for Hickey. More chance of game time. Although if we got him back for a year first would be happier. Mark Wotte said that instead of going down to sit in clubs academies play 100 games first. Celtic have an abundance of left backs. Christ they paid £3m for Scotland no 3 left back and he can barely get a run of games. Also think folk might be a little harsh on the academy. It was decimated after previous regime. The potential was the first team. Some of which might never have broke through. We have rebuild. Some exciting prospects. More will come through. Its been 5 years man. Its long enough to have had something come through. Cochrane has faded, Irving is looking decent so far though but honestly, when we're sitting bottom of the league its hard to gauge how good he really is. I think a rework of the football department is necessary, Levein put these guys in and the results aren't there. Fair to say if nothing else a review is necessary to investigate if there are failings or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 9 hours ago, Cruyff said: He might not qualify for a pay cut because he's still on youth wages. He isn’t. He is on about double the basic youth wage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 All things considered, we should take 1m or whatever, and maybe try to get him back on loan. That kind of money right now could make a huge difference to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: He isn’t. He is on about double the basic youth wage What is the basic youth wage? Edited March 31, 2020 by Cruyff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Cruyff said: What is the basic youth wage? What would you expect? Same as most other businesses, legal minimum based on age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Does Aaron know how to play Warhammer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: What would you expect? Same as most other businesses, legal minimum based on age. No because we're a living wage employer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJambo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Had a look on Palace chat forum last night and they had a thread on Hickey. Main comments were: - Looks a good prospect; - Stand-out player for Hearts in Cup Final; - Hearts in desperate need of cash just now (clearly they are looking at some of the media headlines); - Worth paying £1m as cover for full-back positions; and - Worth paying more (£3-4m) if other EPL clubs are in for him. Let's hope this has legs in that, if he does leave Hearts, he goes to Palace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 55 minutes ago, TheBigO said: No because we're a living wage employer Does national living wage apply to u25’s? Didn’t think it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Does national living wage apply to u25’s? Didn’t think it did. Depends how a company wants to do it. My old work was living wage and it was everyone. Min hourly in the company was £9.50 or whatever it was, whether you were part time waitress or full time chef etc. Not sure about Hearts tbf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I would rather we made him an excellent offer to sign a new contract and hopefully tie himto the club for another 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: I would rather we made him an excellent offer to sign a new contract and hopefully tie himto the club for another 3 years. I think its worth trying. A deal which puts him on a par with the first team is a gamble worth taking IMO. Will up his value massively. Its a risk, but its that or be lucky to try and nab £1m for him this summer. He's still got loads to learn and reserve team football isn't 'real' football. Another year or two here will be massive for his development. If he goes down south (or west) he's going into the reserves or on loan. Edited April 1, 2020 by OTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 hours ago, TheBigO said: Does Aaron know how to play Warhammer? Warhammer lesson with Roy and then a lovely meal for 2 at the Slaughterhouse. I would be tempted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 12 hours ago, Cruyff said: What is the basic youth wage? I think it's about half of what Hickey gets.😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Stick a contract down in front of him to put him on par with the first team. Balls in his court and if he then decides he wants to stay, brilliant. If not then if we can get them to pay enough that we bank 7 figures after Celtic get their cut & get a good sell on clause in his contract then we’ll be doing good business for a 17 year old anyway. Oh and if one of the OF want him the fee is doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, boag1874 said: Stick a contract down in front of him to put him on par with the first team. Balls in his court and if he then decides he wants to stay, brilliant. If not then if we can get them to pay enough that we bank 7 figures after Celtic get their cut & get a good sell on clause in his contract then we’ll be doing good business for a 17 year old anyway. Oh and if one of the OF want him the fee is doubled. Agreed, although I would make him one of our top 5 earners as well. You have to pay for quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Jodami said: Warhammer lesson with Roy and then a lovely meal for 2 at the Slaughterhouse. I would be tempted. And a carcass for my St Bernard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Drifter Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 On 31/03/2020 at 08:59, Blackie the Cat said: https://www.football.london/crystal-palace-fc/news/crystal-palace-news-sorloth-transfer-18011128 In that picture Hickey's 5 looks worryingly like an upside down 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I don't think it will matter what clubs come along and offer him, I just get the feeling him and his auld man are holding out for a move back to Celtic. Hoping that he signs a new deal with us but just can't see it (especially if we go down). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Broke into our team at 16 as has been one of the best and most consistent performers since. He doesn't need another year or two at Hearts ffs. If we used that kind of thinking we'd have still never heard of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 01/04/2020 at 14:48, Tokyo Drifter said: In that picture Hickey's 5 looks worryingly like an upside down 2 A 5 upside down looks like an S not a 2 ya daftie 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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