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Five to One

Has this been considered or discussed elsewhere? Likes a goal and I believe has experience as a striker. Move Smith to CB if fit.  His strength in the air may also help Boyce and Naismith. 
 

Might be worth a try and if it works implement till the end of the season. 

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fabienleclerq

He's nowhere near a striker, he's good for a last five minutes if we are launching it into the box but full time? No thanks. 

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Jambof3tornado
Just now, fabienleclerq said:

He's nowhere near a striker, he's good for a last five minutes if we are launching it into the box but full time? No thanks. 

This.

 

Its come up on a few match day threads.

 

He's a cb for a reason.

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Tenor

Not doing well as a CB right now. May as well give it a try 😂

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CJGJ

Honestly you have to despair at the ops thought

 

Of course in certain situations he can be sent up front but not from the start of a match..just madness

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Still Tynie

Just play player's in their tried and tested positions, keep it simple 

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Five to One
10 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

Honestly you have to despair at the ops thought

 

Of course in certain situations he can be sent up front but not from the start of a match..just madness

What, you mean trying something different in our current predicament? We should be looking at all options with might help win us the number of games we need to stay up. 
 

He’s our top goalscorer btw. 

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DH1986

He’s more effective up there than Uche......

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Five to One
4 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

He’s more effective up there than Uche......

Much better in the air and knows where the goals are. Uche’s confidence looks shot to pieces. The miss against Hamilton the prime example. 

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DH1986
1 minute ago, Five to One said:

Much better in the air and knows where the goals are. Uche’s confidence looks shot to pieces. The miss against Hamilton the prime example. 


Uche has had 4 good games in a year.....all against the ‘bigger’ teams. I genuinely think he thinks he’s something special.

 

He will be in League Two next season if he’s lucky.

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GinRummy
10 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

He’s more effective up there than Uche......

True enough. 

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Ribble

Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams  defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. 

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Holyrood_Hearts

We have enough square pegs in round holes as it is.....

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rick witter
26 minutes ago, Still Tynie said:

Just play player's in their tried and tested positions, keep it simple 

I wonder if it will ever catch on. See if we did that we would start winning. I’m sure of it. 

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jr ewing

Might have worked if we hadn't been so quick in shifting Berra out on loan. Strange decision. 

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Castle rock

What about defensive mid? 

With Smith and soapy at centre half 

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stotty
26 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

He’s more effective up there than Uche......

Agree. That said, I'd like to see Washington play upfront before Halkett. 

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Famous 1874

The lad is absolutely shite anywhere he plays 

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Toxteth O'Grady
52 minutes ago, stotty said:

Agree. That said, I'd like to see Washington play upfront before Halkett. 

Washington - the guy who’s never scored from open play?  

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stotty
1 minute ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Washington - the guy who’s never scored from open play?  

He's not played very many games to be fair, and definitely not in his preferred position (CF). 

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Cruyff

Halkett upfront from the start? :rofl:

He can't run. 

Last five - ten minutes if we need a goal perhaps but never from the start. 

He should start on the bench anyway. 

Edited by Cruyff

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dazinho88
59 minutes ago, Castle rock said:

What about defensive mid? 

With Smith and soapy at centre half 

Swap Halkett and Souttar around in that scenario and it would work imo. Souttar looks to me like he'd fit well in a CDM role

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Irufushi

Jeezo 🤦‍♂️

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upgotheheads
1 hour ago, Still Tynie said:

Just play player's in their tried and tested positions, keep it simple 

 

1 hour ago, Five to One said:

Much better in the air and knows where the goals are. Uche’s confidence looks shot to pieces. The miss against Hamilton the prime example. 

 

1 hour ago, Holyrood_Hearts said:

We have enough square pegs in round holes as it is.....

 

1 hour ago, rick witter said:

I wonder if it will ever catch on. See if we did that we would start winning. I’m sure of it. 

 

All of the above, and I take no exception to any of it, tends to lead me to believe that our biggest problem over the Levein years has been the ramshackle recruitment policy at every level from coaches down.

We are short of strikers, attacking midfieders, left backs - you name it, yet we seem to have too many right backs, dogs-body midfielders centre backs of varying quality, as for wingers, gawd help us. How many players have we recruited over the last three years, and does anyone have a clue what our best 11 is?

Edited by upgotheheads

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Walter Bishop
1 hour ago, Ribble said:

Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams  defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. 

You would think someone with your vast knowledge and understanding of football would know that Halkett was actually a striker before he became a centre half. 

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Five to One
1 hour ago, Ribble said:

Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams  defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. 

Was just suggesting it could be something worth trying. I accept it may not work. 

 

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AndyNic
2 hours ago, fabienleclerq said:

He's nowhere near a striker, he's good for a last five minutes if we are launching it into the box but full time? No thanks. 

 

+ 1

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Tambo_The_Jambo
2 hours ago, DH1986 said:

He’s more effective up there than Uche......

My dog would put away more chances than uche tbh

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Tommy Brown
2 hours ago, CJGJ said:

Honestly you have to despair at the ops thought

 

Of course in certain situations he can be sent up front but not from the start of a match..just madness

 

A lot said that with Moose.

 

Remember Blackburn Rovers (1990's when they were a top side) done the same with Paul Warhurst and sold him on a Gazillion.

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heartsfc_fan

Reminds me of Kevin McKenna.

Good hard working player who looks a bit unorthodox but would score goals.

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rick witter
55 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

 

 

 

All of the above, and I take no exception to any of it, tends to lead me to believe that our biggest problem over the Levein years has been the ramshackle recruitment policy at every level from coaches down.

We are short of strikers, attacking midfieders, left backs - you name it, yet we seem to have too many right backs, dogs-body midfielders centre backs of varying quality, as for wingers, gawd help us. How many players have we recruited over the last three years, and does anyone have a clue what our best 11 is?

Absolutely spot on. 
Nobody could pick a Hearts team 2 games running and we expect consistency. Quite embarrassing really. 

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Pasquale for King

I think if he was capable of playing up front for a whole game Levein would’ve tried it, remember him putting Haring up front against Hibs after telling him on the morning of the game 🙈? He looks more dangerous from open play than from corners though, but I think it’s a last ten minutes thing.

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vegas-voss
15 minutes ago, rick witter said:

Absolutely spot on. 
Nobody could pick a Hearts team 2 games running and we expect consistency. Quite embarrassing really. 

How many match day threads do you see that has the " I quite like the look of that side " then to have further quotes after 30 mins of " get him off he is absolute pish " or words to that effect 😂

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Pasquale for King
1 hour ago, upgotheheads said:

 

 

 

 

All of the above, and I take no exception to any of it, tends to lead me to believe that our biggest problem over the Levein years has been the ramshackle recruitment policy at every level from coaches down.

We are short of strikers, attacking midfieders, left backs - you name it, yet we seem to have too many right backs, dogs-body midfielders centre backs of varying quality, as for wingers, gawd help us. How many players have we recruited over the last three years, and does anyone have a clue what our best 11 is?

Absolutely, it’s been a shambles.

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ronsajambo

The fact that we are even considering this is a reflection of where we are. Very few teams would reposisition a central defender as a striker and expect a positive outcome unless it was an individual game  and a 'last ten minutes' desperate tactic.

 

Remember it worked for us (up to a point) with Kevin McKenna but not sure that Halkett  is the equivalent of Moose! 

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Ari Gold
2 hours ago, Ribble said:

Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams  defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. 

 

This man is correct. 

 

Just because he offers more goal threat than Uche doesn't mean he should be moved position. Says more about Uche more than anything. 

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FarmerTweedy
3 hours ago, fabienleclerq said:

He's nowhere near a striker, he's good for a last five minutes if we are launching it into the box but full time? No thanks. 

It's the sort of idea that people who have no clue about football put forward regularly!

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FarmerTweedy
2 hours ago, Ribble said:

Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams  defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. 

Yes, they do!

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Bull's-eye

Yes, swap him with Boyce or Washington. 

 

Get Brad Mckay back in as a keeper as well. 

 

This fitbaw lark is a piece of piss. 

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i8hibsh

Can we please just get a settled XI

 

:sob:

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i8hibsh

He scores more than Washington from defence so what is the point?

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Governor Tarkin
2 hours ago, Walter Bishop said:

You would think someone with your vast knowledge and understanding of football would know that Halkett was actually a striker before he became a centre half. 

 

You would think someone with your vast knowledge and understanding of football would know that Halkett being a striker before he was a centre half has no bearing on Ribble's point.

Edited by Governor Tarkin

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bajthejambo

I think some folk are confusing the "might aswell stick him... " comments for what they actually are; criticism of his defensive abilities.

 

 

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StevenNaismith

Craig has played more games in his life as a striker than he has as a defender. That being said I wouldn’t play him up front from the start.

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rick witter
3 hours ago, StevenNaismith said:

Craig has played more games in his life as a striker than he has as a defender. That being said I wouldn’t play him up front from the start.

Professional football games? 
Or games when he was younger? 

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Phage

Bit daft but hey... cant get any worse sooooo... id entertain the idea, purely out of desperation

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grumpy rebus
11 hours ago, Ribble said:

Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams  defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. 


This. 
 

Some of the more “mature” posters may remember Mike Galloway scoring for fun by making late runs from midfield. We tried him up front and he was shite. Defenders pick up forwards so a late runner or an extra body causes problems. Stick the guy up front and the defence will be onto him. 

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Lord BJ

I have had similar thoughts myself but thinking about the answer is most definitely a no. 
 

The guy has built a professional football career and only last year, was in the team of the year at CH; I think. He was undoubtably been one of the better players in the league at that position. 
 

Yet he comes here and we want to change his position based on little more than desperation and a need to change something, I don’t think it’s the right move. Our coaching need to be putting our players in the best position to succeed ,  not sure playing players out of position achieves that. 
 

We have Smith and Claire playing out of position and it’s not working out all that well. Smith is not at his best In midfield and we are losing more than we gain and whilst Claire has looked better he has big holes defensively for a full back. This has caused and will continue to cause us issues. 
 

Hallett and to a lesser degree Souttar are more than capable of playing at high standard in this league and have done so in the recent passed. It’s not the time for experimentation and changing players positions right now. We should be playing players where they are most comfortable, 
 

We need to get these players performing and to me that’s  achieved from building from the basics. Not learning new positions whilst in a relegation battle. 
 

The expression it ‘can’t be any worse’ gets used a lot in general and to me that a nativity of people underestimating how bad things can actually get!!! 

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Coco

I hope Halkett is moved on in the summer and that replacing the centre halves is a priority.  Can't play either Stendel's football or even a more pragmatic style with such a poor defender.

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