Mikey1874 Posted February 25, 2020 Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) Agree that Jamie Hamilton was a red card. That certainly needs an explanation and the question arises whether they made reference to the laws of the game. Or just felt sorry for a Scotland U19 player (off for a few days to Brighton to train) facing a 3 match ban due to being his third red card of season. Edited February 25, 2020 by Mikey1874 Quote
Saint Jambo Posted February 25, 2020 Posted February 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Agree that Jamie Hamilton was a red card. That certainly needs an explanation and the question arises whether they made reference to the laws of the game. Or just felt sorry for a Scotland U19 player (off for a few days to Brighton to train) facing a 3 match ban due to being his third red card of season. To add to the craziness of that decision, SFA Performance Director Malky Mackay was on sportscene saying he didn't think it was a sending off. Nothing says fair process like a senior employee giving their verdict to the media a few days before the appeal panel. While at the same time any club who comments on the same decision risks being fined. Quote
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 25, 2020 Posted February 25, 2020 12 hours ago, thewiseone said: Actually think the panels first decision is correct and they've caved in to " mob rule public pressure. Weakness of character indeed says all about they eejits running the game. You think the decision should have stood? Quote
Scottie Wanshot. Posted February 26, 2020 Posted February 26, 2020 On 23/02/2020 at 17:47, sadj said: There are quite a few Chairmen of clubs who agree with you....... So they don’t need to know the laws 🤪 so not a dive then? as I said there was contact, but he made the most of it, happens all the time, NO not a red card. Quote
Scottie Wanshot. Posted February 26, 2020 Posted February 26, 2020 On 24/02/2020 at 01:56, Smithee said: It doesn't matter, he was clearly fouled. This whole thing is a result of the ref saying he saw no contact, that's what was submitted to the appeals panel, it's got nothing to do with what he made of it. If there was contact it should have been overturned, end of story, and there was undoubtedly contact. definatly not a red card. Quote
milky_26 Posted February 26, 2020 Posted February 26, 2020 26 minutes ago, Scottie Wanshot. said: definatly not a red card. he wasn't red carded for it, he got a yellow Quote
Scottie Wanshot. Posted February 26, 2020 Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, milky_26 said: he wasn't red carded for it, he got a yellow I thought he got sent off. Quote
Fozzyonthefence Posted February 26, 2020 Posted February 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, Scottie Wanshot. said: I thought he got sent off. 2nd yellow Quote
johnthomas Posted February 26, 2020 Posted February 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Scottie Wanshot. said: as I said there was contact, but he made the most of it, happens all the time, NO not a red card. FFS have you not got a Tele ? Quote
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Scottie Wanshot. said: definatly not a red card. No one said it was. He got a yellow for simulation as the ref said there had been no contact. Quote
Theme From Sparta F.C. Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 They've overturned their original findings, and he can now play in the Final. Common sense at last!!! Quote
Hackney Hearts Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Theme From Sparta F.C. said: They've overturned their original findings Didn't see that coming! Quote
redjambo Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Theme From Sparta F.C. said: They've overturned their original findings, and he can now play in the Final. Common sense at last!!! Except that the SFA have gone out of their way to imply that there were very specific circumstances behind this decision and therefore that it doesn't mean that the system itself needs reviewing. So it's very ephemeral common sense. Quote
Tasavallan Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 The SFA is corrupt through all its layers. A number of years ago my lad was in a SYFA SE Region U15 cup final. It was the 2nd half, the teams were drawing 0-0. The opposition team had a corner. My lad was standing at half-way. The keeper caught the ball and lumped it up-field to my son who had a clear run at goal. He was taken down from behind just outside the penalty box, the defender fell on top of my son who wriggled free and got up to score. The elderly (I am being kind) referee was still standing back in the penalty box but blew for a foul and eventually showed my son a red card. Offence was that in wriggling free from under the defender my son pushed the defender away. 8 games ban for a 14 year old and he missed a chance to play with a pro-youth team as a consequence. We appealed the decision, I collected witness statements from many of the parents at the game including the father of the defender involved. I went around to the association Chairman’s house to hand over our appeal. The next day I get a phone call from the Chairman to tell me that our appeal was rejected due to not being submitting by the deadline of noon the previous day. I was 6 hours late due to work commitments trying to get through to Edinburgh from Glasgow. In retrospect I should have known that the referee’s decision would have been upheld regardless that he was unlikely to have seen clearly what happened – his eye sight was poor and he needed glasses wen not officiating. Nevertheless the 8 games ban from the start of the next season still wrangles with me. Quote
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, Tasavallan said: The SFA is corrupt through all its layers. A number of years ago my lad was in a SYFA SE Region U15 cup final. It was the 2nd half, the teams were drawing 0-0. The opposition team had a corner. My lad was standing at half-way. The keeper caught the ball and lumped it up-field to my son who had a clear run at goal. He was taken down from behind just outside the penalty box, the defender fell on top of my son who wriggled free and got up to score. The elderly (I am being kind) referee was still standing back in the penalty box but blew for a foul and eventually showed my son a red card. Offence was that in wriggling free from under the defender my son pushed the defender away. 8 games ban for a 14 year old and he missed a chance to play with a pro-youth team as a consequence. We appealed the decision, I collected witness statements from many of the parents at the game including the father of the defender involved. I went around to the association Chairman’s house to hand over our appeal. The next day I get a phone call from the Chairman to tell me that our appeal was rejected due to not being submitting by the deadline of noon the previous day. I was 6 hours late due to work commitments trying to get through to Edinburgh from Glasgow. In retrospect I should have known that the referee’s decision would have been upheld regardless that he was unlikely to have seen clearly what happened – his eye sight was poor and he needed glasses wen not officiating. Nevertheless the 8 games ban from the start of the next season still wrangles with me. What happened was brutal. As you say all layers are corrupt. Quote
Scottie Wanshot. Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 On 26/02/2020 at 23:13, johnthomas said: FFS have you not got a Tele ? didn't watch the game, just seen the tackle on Tv Quote
johnthomas Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Scottie Wanshot. said: didn't watch the game, just seen the tackle on Tv And yet you think Keatings made a meal of it ! Get your aerial checked Quote
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) What reason do we now have to believe in the anonymous panel members? If they employed one who couldn't be arsed can we really assume there aren't any others? I've been against the concept of foreign refs, mainly because there isn't a pool of top class refs waiting for employment of a Saturday afternoon, but I see no reason we couldn't use open, transparent panels of foreign figures whose windows are safe from getting tanned in for appeals. Well, no reason except it would remove secretive favouritism for Celtic and the hun. Edited February 28, 2020 by Smithee Quote
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Smithee said: What reason do we now have to believe in the anonymous panel members? If they employed one who couldn't be arsed can we really assume there aren't any others? I've been against the concept of foreign refs, mainly because there isn't a pool of top class refs waiting for employment of a Saturday afternoon, but I see no reason we couldn't use open, transparent panels of foreign figures whose windows are safe from getting tanned in for appeals. Well, no reason except it would remove secretive favouritism for Celtic and the hun. It's not exactly secretive is it? Quote
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 9 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: It's not exactly secretive is it? It very much is, it could have been walter smith, ally mccoist and ian Durant on the panel for all we know. Quote
milky_26 Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Smithee said: It very much is, it could have been walter smith, ally mccoist and ian Durant on the panel for all we know. can't have been, you are missing the celtic requirement so drop mccoist and put lawell Quote
Scottie Wanshot. Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 16 hours ago, johnthomas said: And yet you think Keatings made a meal of it ! Get your aerial checked as I said, I seen the tackle on tv a few times, I dont have a ariel, I have a sky dish, think your tuned to the moon. Quote
johnthomas Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Scottie Wanshot. said: as I said, I seen the tackle on tv a few times, I dont have a ariel, I have a sky dish, think your tuned to the moon. I often am . But I do know the difference between a dive and a blatant foul . Maybe you should invest in a ariel Quote
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Smithee said: It very much is, it could have been walter smith, ally mccoist and ian Durant on the panel for all we know. I agree that with the panel but in general the bias towards both cheeks is hardly secretive. Which was my point. Quote
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: I agree that with the panel but in general the bias towards both cheeks is hardly secretive. Which was my point. Obviously, but I'm not talking about secretive bias, I'm talking about secretive panels. Quote
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Smithee said: Obviously, but I'm not talking about secretive bias, I'm talking about secretive panels. Whatever. Quote
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Whatever. bloody hell you're a moody sausage! I was just explaining what I meant, no need for a petted lip. Do you honestly think I was saying their bias towards the OF was a secret? Seriously? "Whatever" Quote
Scottie Wanshot. Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 On 29/02/2020 at 11:45, johnthomas said: I often am . But I do know the difference between a dive and a blatant foul . Maybe you should invest in a ariel no Sky for me Quote
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