Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Sirudi]

3 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Haha - Right back at you:  You are having a shocker but are the gift that keeps on giving :  full quote:

 

a small number of ventilators to start addressing the shortfall swiftly. These include Crawley-based Inspiration Healthcare, which said in a statement to investors it had taken more than £5m in orders from the NHS.
 

see the line, addressing the shortfall swiftly, see the line £5m in orders?  something that you clearly insinuated we weren’t doing due to Cummings as we were waiting for Dyson and his pals.  
 

You were wrong, you will never admit you were wrong but you were slavering sh@te, that the guardian of all newspapers proves it.  

Bed time for you , I think.

[Mikey1874]

115 UK deaths 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Mikey1874

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

115 UK deaths 

 

 

 

Total now up to 578 ffs.

 

So yesterday's small total was just a blip it would seem.

[The Internet]

115 deaths today. Worth noting that yesterday's figures didn't cover a 24 hour period, they're adjusting to a change made in reporting times. Thread here. 

 

 

[Victorian]

I think the government has done a great job (in principle) of designing a mammoth package of aid.    From scratch and at breakneck speed.    Delivery is everything.     It's such a mammoth undertaking that delivery of it could take many months.    There has been an enormous response to the call for NHS volunteers.     You could argue that some of these people could be diverted to HMRC.

[kila]

3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Total now up to 578 ffs.

 

So yesterday's small total was just a blip it would seem.

 

Government changed the time they do the counting from and now require consent from next of kin to include their death in the figures. Wouldn't look into the figure change from yesterday and today.

 

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by kila

[graygo]

22 minutes ago, Sirudi said:

In the meantime, the government has placed multimillion-pound orders with specialist suppliers that can provide a small number 

Best quote fully.

You wouldn’t want to mislead people would you.

Get back in your box. 

 

 

[Cade]

Changing both the timing and method of statistic gathering.

Doesn't make tracking numbers and producing models any easier.

[graygo]

6 minutes ago, Victorian said:

I think the government has done a great job (in principle) of designing a mammoth package of aid.    From scratch and at breakneck speed.    Delivery is everything.     It's such a mammoth undertaking that delivery of it could take many months.    There has been an enormous response to the call for NHS volunteers.     You could argue that some of these people could be diverted to HMRC.

 

Not helpful to them that I've just turned down a job with them.

[Brighton Jambo]

Who is doing the 8pm NHS appreciation thing!

 

of not, why not? 

[Angel eyes]

Hope all the self employed have been totally honest with the tax man and “cash in hand jobs” aren’t an issue with their claims.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

14 minutes ago, kila said:

 

Government changed the time they do the counting from and now require consent from next of kin to include their death in the figures. Wouldn't look into the figure change from yesterday and today.

 

 

 

Seen the above post, explains why there was a delay yesterday, which will no doubts disappoint all the conspiracy buffs who were getting all worked up about the delay.

[William H. Bonney]

2 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Who is doing the 8pm NHS appreciation thing!

 

of not, why not? 

Because it’s ****ing stupid and patronising? 

[gjcc]

1 minute ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Who is doing the 8pm NHS appreciation thing!

 

of not, why not? 

Im gonna sit in the street and milk the adulation. Knock on the doors an cough in letter boxes of those that don’t*. 
 

 

*not really. 

[Brighton Jambo]

1 minute ago, Dino Velvet said:

Because it’s ****ing stupid and patronising? 

Controversial view.  I wonder if NHS staff feel that way, not a loaded question but a genuine one.

 

maybe some of those on here could comment.  

[kila]

2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Seen the above post, explains why there was a delay yesterday, which will no doubts disappoint all the conspiracy buffs who were getting all worked up about the delay.

 

Worth a wee read: 

 

 

"As a result, yesterday's death stats looked much lower than expected but unfortunately that was a crossover day when the times were being altered. So today the stats are likely to look far higher."

 

So I guess we can't get a real idea of the change until tomorrow's figures.

 

[Taffin]

26 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Well looks like my work are going to get involved in the 80% wage thing. Rather annoyingly it doesn't cover all the organisation as anyone office based will be able to work from home. So people who will run out of things to do will be able to stay on as they have been deemed able to work from home, meanwhile the rest of us get shafted and have uncertain futures depending how long this lasts. 

This scenario if repeated in a lot workplaces could drive a stake into employee relations.

 

 

Sorry I'm a bit confused, are you saying those who continue to work or those who are furloughed that get shafted?

[William H. Bonney]

Just now, Brighton Jambo said:

Controversial view.  I wonder if NHS staff feel that way, not a loaded question but a genuine one.

 

maybe some of those on here could comment.  

I have family in the nhs and I’m sure they know how much people appreciate the work they do but standing outside your house clapping at nothing is just silly. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, kila said:

 

Worth a wee read: 

 

 

"As a result, yesterday's death stats looked much lower than expected but unfortunately that was a crossover day when the times were being altered. So today the stats are likely to look far higher."

 

So I guess we can't get a real idea of the change until tomorrow's figures.

 

 

IIRC I'm sure it was suggested last night that it was due to a change of some kind.

[Cade]

I'm sure most NHS workers would rather have you buy some PPE and donate it to your local hospital rather than make an empty gesture like clapping.

[Brighton Jambo]

30 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Well looks like my work are going to get involved in the 80% wage thing. Rather annoyingly it doesn't cover all the organisation as anyone office based will be able to work from home. So people who will run out of things to do will be able to stay on as they have been deemed able to work from home, meanwhile the rest of us get shafted and have uncertain futures depending how long this lasts. 

This scenario if repeated in a lot workplaces could drive a stake into employee relations.

In my organisation there is already a decision to potentially reduce the pay for those at home to 80% if, as you allude to, production has shut down.  If you are in a support function role the view is what exactly would you be supporting for 100% of your time.  Not all functions included but most.  

[Brighton Jambo]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

I'm sure most NHS workers would rather have you buy some PPE and donate it to your local hospital rather than make an empty gesture like clapping.

Why can’t we do both? 

[sadj]

5 minutes ago, Cade said:

I'm sure most NHS workers would rather have you buy some PPE and donate it to your local hospital rather than make an empty gesture like clapping.

Said this yesterday my mates ****ed off as all the Free cake n coffee etc is useless when all they want is enough PPE

[gjcc]

I’m just happy for folk to listen and stay at home to be honest. 

[davemclaren]

5 minutes ago, Cade said:

I'm sure most NHS workers would rather have you buy some PPE and donate it to your local hospital rather than make an empty gesture like clapping.

I think this sort of thing is more for the morale of the clapper, but possibly I’m being a bit harsh. 

[Irufushi]

@iantjambo

 

sorry to hear that, mate. 

[indianajones]

10 minutes ago, Cade said:

I'm sure most NHS workers would rather have you buy some PPE and donate it to your local hospital rather than make an empty gesture like clapping.

 

5 minutes ago, sadj said:

Said this yesterday my mates ****ed off as all the Free cake n coffee etc is useless when all they want is enough PPE

 

Is there a list of PPE they are in desperate need of anywhere? I can imagine its fairly obvious but curious to see. 

[Unknown user]

12 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Controversial view.  I wonder if NHS staff feel that way, not a loaded question but a genuine one.

 

maybe some of those on here could comment.  

My cousin's in the welsh nhs, he appreciates the thought but thinks it's a bit pointless, they already know they're appreciated just now.

He said what they'd really appreciate would be if everyone remembered how important they are once this is all over and started fighting for the NHS and decent wages for them.

[jambo89]

32 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

How do you mean screwed? Self employed do very nicely when times good and if you don't like being self-employed (screwed again implies you believe you are treated badly compared to others) How would you have done things differently? Looks like the same terms as us mugs who live on PAYE. You do realise you are not meant to make a profit from the virus.

Because profit is different from incomings /turnover.

 

If, as a self employed person I am expected to receive 80% of profit, rather than income, then it is a huge difference.

 

For example me the director, pays Jambo89 the employee, £2000 per month.
 

Jambo89 ltd has been doing okay, £8,000 profit in year 1, £9,000 profit in year 2 and £10,000 in year 3. Averaged out over the 3 years thats £750 p/m profit. From that £750 p/m profit, I will receive 80% of that (£600) from the government X 3 so £1800. 
 

Whereas an employee in my position would have received 80% of there monthly wages £1600.

 

Don’t see how you can’t understand why it’s not fair. 
 

Anyway, all it means is that I will have to ignore the government's advice and go out to work, regardless of who I may infect  

[Brighton Jambo]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

My cousin's in the welsh nhs, he appreciates the thought but thinks it's a bit pointless, they already know they're appreciated just now.

He said what they'd really appreciate would be if everyone remembered how important they are once this is all over and started fighting for the NHS and decent wages for them.

There should be a new bank holiday dedicated to the NHS as a permanent reminder and obviously agree about wages etc in shorter term.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Brighton Jambo

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

My cousin's in the welsh nhs, he appreciates the thought but thinks it's a bit pointless, they already know they're appreciated just now.

He said what they'd really appreciate would be if everyone remembered how important they are once this is all over and started fighting for the NHS and decent wages for them.

 

Was about to say similar.

 

It's a national disgrace that they have received a 1% payrise and not every year at that, whilst our politicians get 10% wage rises.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Just now, Brighton Jambo said:

There should be a new bank holiday dedicated to the NHS 

 

And do you think they'd actually get the day off or even paid for it................not the way it works.

 

[graygo]

20 minutes ago, Dino Velvet said:

I have family in the nhs and I’m sure they know how much people appreciate the work they do but standing outside your house clapping at nothing is just silly. 

 

I'll not be doing it, I've not got any neighbours so would be pointless. I'll raise a glass to them instead.

[Tazio]

11 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

In my organisation there is already a decision to potentially reduce the pay for those at home to 80% if, as you allude to, production has shut down.  If you are in a support function role the view is what exactly would you be supporting for 100% of your time.  Not all functions included but most.  

 

I'm totally accepting of the measures as I cannot do my job at home with only about 10% of my work being desk based, and that 10% is rotas and future planning based on confirmed projects. My point is that a lot of people (myself included if I'm being totally honest) will be a bit peeved to see people continuing to earn a full wage despite the fact they won't actually have a great deal they can do working from home as their jobs are based around those same projects. In all honesty our staff of around 25 full time could probably cut down to half a dozen for the time being.

[Brighton Jambo]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

And do you think they'd actually get the day off or even paid for it................not the way it works.

 

I didn’t mean for them, I meant as a permanent reminder for everyone for decades to come that we have that day as a Reminder of the sacrifices they made during this period.  
 

They should  get more money and better T&C’s immediately.

[Mikey1874]

27 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Who is doing the 8pm NHS appreciation thing!

 

of not, why not? 

 

Good for them

 

I've never done the hero thing. Same as for the armed forces. People doing great work all over. Partly myself as I'm pretty busy with work and resting inbetween. 

 

But good on those doing this. Why not. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Just now, Brighton Jambo said:

I didn’t mean for them, I meant as a permanent reminder for everyone for decades to come that we have that day as a Reminder of the sacrifices they made during this period.  
 

They should  get more money and better T&C’s immediately.

 

With you now.  👍

 

 

[Mikey1874]

24 minutes ago, Dino Velvet said:

I have family in the nhs and I’m sure they know how much people appreciate the work they do but standing outside your house clapping at nothing is just silly. 

 

It's high risk where I am.

 

Thousands more will need to self isolated after getting a cold. 

[Mikey1874]

3 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I didn’t mean for them, I meant as a permanent reminder for everyone for decades to come that we have that day as a Reminder of the sacrifices they made during this period.  
 

They should  get more money and better T&C’s immediately.

 

Same as the armed forces, carers including family carers etc etc. NHS the new religion in UK. 

[southcap]

11 minutes ago, jambo89 said:

Because profit is different from incomings /turnover.

 

If, as a self employed person I am expected to receive 80% of profit, rather than income, then it is a huge difference.

 

For example me the director, pays Jambo89 the employee, £2000 per month.
 

Jambo89 ltd has been doing okay, £8,000 profit in year 1, £9,000 profit in year 2 and £10,000 in year 3. Averaged out over the 3 years thats £750 p/m profit. From that £750 p/m profit, I will receive 80% of that (£600) from the government X 3 so £1800. 
 

Whereas an employee in my position would have received 80% of there monthly wages £1600.

 

Don’t see how you can’t understand why it’s not fair. 
 

Anyway, all it means is that I will have to ignore the government's advice and go out to work, regardless of who I may infect  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in your case, you're not self employed, you're a limited company... 

 

As an employee of a limited company, surely you'll get 80% of your salary? 

 

 

[jambo89]

5 minutes ago, southcap said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in your case, you're not self employed, you're a limited company... 

 

As an employee of a limited company, surely you'll get 80% of your salary? 

 

 

I am indeed a limited company, but from my understanding, the government proposals do not cover companies with only 1 employee and are therefore classed as self-employed.

[southcap]

1 minute ago, jambo89 said:

I am indeed a limited company, but from my understanding, the government proposals do not cover companies with only 1 employee and are therefore classed as self-employed.

But doesn't hmrc have clear legal distinctions between self employed and limited company? 

 

Maybe they've changed the rules with the current situation, but I'm pretty sure you won't legally be classed as self employed? 

 

These are genuine questions, not making a point or anything. 

[southcap]

Although my understanding of self employed doesn't involve profits, just earnings minus taxes. 

 

Have to admit, I'm a bit confused here. 

[Brighton Jambo]

16 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Same as the armed forces, carers including family carers etc etc. NHS the new religion in UK. 

I’m not wanting an argument and you make a fair point.  But the armed forces already have a day dedicated to them and the sacrifices they make.  Why couldn’t we do the same for NHS, if you wanted to extend that to carers then fine?  Even if not a bank holiday they should get a similar level of recognition as the armed forces as a minimum.  
 

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Brighton Jambo

[The Internet]

The Mist has well and truly added to the apocalyptic feel. It's like The Road out there. 

[southcap]

And if you don't mind me asking, if you are the sole employee, what made you go as a limited company over self employed? 

 

When I looked into it years ago, it seemed to be make more sense to be classed as self employed than limited if you were a sole worker. Ltd made more sense if had others workers for you or if you wanted to use the ltd to leverage borrowings and avoid personal liability of debts related to your work. 

Edited March 26, 2020 by southcap

[sadj]

29 minutes ago, indianajones said:

 

 

Is there a list of PPE they are in desperate need of anywhere? I can imagine its fairly obvious but curious to see. 

i don’t know mate , I am grateful for all they and others are doing however I'm not paying close attention to the news. My first knowledge of PPE shortage was when i asked how she was n she said ****ed off because she wants PPE not free cake n coffee.  Im sure there must be somewhere , theres bound to be a few on here who are involved or will have the answer

[jambo89]

1 minute ago, southcap said:

But doesn't hmrc have clear legal distinctions between self employed and limited company? 

 

Maybe they've changed the rules with the current situation, but I'm pretty sure you won't legally be classed as self employed? 

 

These are genuine questions, not making a point or anything. 

There are 2 different types of self employed. Sole trader and limited (company). I assume you mean sole trader when you said self-employed. 

 

I don’t know is the answer.

 

As far as I’m aware, for companies with 2 or fewer employees, this is treated similarly to sole trader, although there are of course differences in how I pay myself / pay tax etc. 
 

I have asked my accountant but they’ve yet to get back to me. Busy time and all that! 
 

Although there seems to be a few of the usual “JKB experts” who know everything and anything about the self employed! (Not a dig at you btw).

 

 

[jambo89]

2 minutes ago, southcap said:

And if you don't mind me asking, if you are the sole employee, what made you go as a limited company over self employed? 

 

When I looked into it years ago, it seemed to be make more sense to be classed as self employed than limited if you were a sole worker. Ltd made more sense if had others workers for you or if you wanted to use the ltd to leverage borrowings and avoid personal liability of debts related to your work. 

The industry I work in insists on limited / contractors. They are always business to business transactions and there are no “cash in hand” jobs.

 

There really isn’t much difference between sole trader and limited nowadays. As far as I’m aware, the HMRC now have the right to take your house I.e. the director of the limited company, of you close the business down whilst still owing debt. So I can’t just take out massive amounts of directors loans Then close the business without repercussions.

[southcap]

2 minutes ago, jambo89 said:

There are 2 different types of self employed. Sole trader and limited (company). I assume you mean sole trader when you said self-employed. 

 

I don’t know is the answer.

 

As far as I’m aware, for companies with 2 or fewer employees, this is treated similarly to sole trader, although there are of course differences in how I pay myself / pay tax etc. 
 

I have asked my accountant but they’ve yet to get back to me. Busy time and all that! 
 

Although there seems to be a few of the usual “JKB experts” who know everything and anything about the self employed! (Not a dig at you btw).

 

 

Ah, I didn't know that an ltd and sole trader both came under the self employed umbrella. I thought self employed was a sole trader and an ltd was a completely different system. 

 

That clears up some of my confusion. 

 

I say all this as someone who is a privelaged PAYE employee and my work appear to be willing to pay 100% of our salary even though im sitting at home twiddling my thumbs (barring emergency call outs. No beers on the couch for me)