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The Treasurer
7 hours ago, Still Tynie said:

Celtic will also be wanting a cut from any fee we get 

Simple way round that.

Give them Hickey for free and sell them Steven Mclean for £5m

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E6 Inc
45 minutes ago, Morph said:

He’s 17 and is only just having his first bad wee patch of form. Let’s not write him off yet :laugh: 

 

45 minutes ago, Barack said:

He's ****ed. :lol: 19 out of 21 games or something played. He needs rested, or yes, he'll be burnt out. 

 

He's still outperformed more of his more "experienced" team-mates in that time. Which tells you more about the child(as he is) as a person & future prospects, imo.

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said:


Was Andy Robertson the finished article at 17/18??  Behave man!!  Hickey is having a drop in form and if I’m honest, needs a wee spell out of 1st team action to recover and build up again. The boy has class and that’s what the big teams will see. He will go down south and get polished into a gem of a player. 

 

Easy now, all I said was I'd be surprised if Man City, one of the best teams in Europe, were after him given he's been poor for us recently.

 

I'm not saying hes not a classy player but come on, hes hardly looked like a player that would make it to a top 4 EPL side has he? 

 

Hes got massive potential but he needs a spell out of the team, not least for his own confidence. Have no doubt a better manager will get more out of him.

 

We all got very excited about Cochrane remember...

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Barack
3 minutes ago, E6 Inc said:

 

 

 

Easy now, all I said was I'd be surprised if Man City, one of the best teams in Europe, were after him given he's been poor for us recently.

 

I'm not saying hes not a classy player but come on, hes hardly looked like a player that would make it to a top 4 EPL side has he? 

 

Hes got massive potential but he needs a spell out of the team, not least for his own confidence. Have no doubt a better manager will get more out of him.

 

We all got very excited about Cochrane remember...

I'll take it from my side:

 

Man City aren't wanting him immediately. It's doubtful he'll ever play for them in the 1st team, given the competition.

 

They will however, help him develop & improve to levels beyond what we could ever hope to achieve here. He could be loaned out to their feeder teams in Holland, like Zinchencko was, for example. 

 

Then, 4 or 5 years down the line given the false market in England, he could be sold to a lower level team somewhere, for upwards of £10 million easily. Why? Because he's British & he'd potentially be a Manchester City player, & developed further by their World Class Academy.

 

City are playing the numbers game here, not looking to start him next year at United.

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E6 Inc
2 minutes ago, Barack said:

I'll take it from my side:

 

Man City aren't wanting him immediately. It's doubtful he'll ever play for them in the 1st team, given the competition.

 

They will however, help him develop & improve to levels beyond what we could ever hope to achieve here. He could be loaned out to their feeder teams in Holland, like Zinchencko was, for example. 

 

Then, 4 or 5 years down the line given the false market in England, he could be sold to a lower level team somewhere, for upwards of £10 million easily. Why? Because he's British & he'd potentially be a Manchester City player, & developed further by their World Class Academy.

 

City are playing the numbers game here, not looking to start him next year at United.

 

They're talking about loaning him back to us so that kind of ends that 😆

 

I get what you're saying but I really cannot see City paying the kind of cash we are talking about for Hickey right now.

 

Maybe someone in the premiership will one day. Maybe.

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AGoodLaugh
6 minutes ago, Barack said:

I'll take it from my side:

 

Man City aren't wanting him immediately. It's doubtful he'll ever play for them in the 1st team, given the competition.

 

They will however, help him develop & improve to levels beyond what we could ever hope to achieve here. He could be loaned out to their feeder teams in Holland, like Zinchencko was, for example. 

 

Then, 4 or 5 years down the line given the false market in England, he could be sold to a lower level team somewhere, for upwards of £10 million easily. Why? Because he's British & he'd potentially be a Manchester City player, & developed further by their World Class Academy.

 

City are playing the numbers game here, not looking to start him next year at United.

Yup - and even in the worst case scenario where he never fulfills his potential the money they spend on him will be pocket change to them anyway. 

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Barack
1 minute ago, E6 Inc said:

 

They're talking about loaning him back to us so that kind of ends that 😆

 

I get what you're saying but I really cannot see City paying the kind of cash we are talking about for Hickey right now.

 

Maybe someone in the premiership will one day. Maybe.

Yeah, but he'll go back there. We'll maybe only get Hickey for a season. Like a pity ****.

 

Think you're being unreasonably harsh on the kid, mate. Money matters shit to Manchester City. Or most team's in the Championship for that matter. If they see the potential, they'll pay for it. Despite what us Jock hillbillies think.🙂

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Icon of Symmetry
1 hour ago, busby1985 said:

I wouldn’t be surprised to read that Hickey and his family asked Levein to be part of any discussion with City. 


That was my first thoughts too. Outside of the idiots in our fan base, most people who deal with the man seem to respect him when it comes to such things.

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E6 Inc
7 minutes ago, Barack said:

Yeah, but he'll go back there. We'll maybe only get Hickey for a season. Like a pity ****.

 

Think you're being unreasonably harsh on the kid, mate. Money matters shit to Manchester City. Or most team's in the Championship for that matter. If they see the potential, they'll pay for it. Despite what us Jock hillbillies think.🙂

 

I would be very happy to be proved wrong mate.

 

Our annual turnover is about £14m so a £5m sale of a player would be unbelievable for us.

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tian447
1 hour ago, Morph said:

He’s 17 and is only just having his first bad wee patch of form. Let’s not write him off yet :laugh: 

 

But this is what Kickback does. One person goes over the top when a young player is played out of position and has a bad game, and before you know it, he's "the worst player to ever play, for us", and we "don't know what anyone ever saw, he never had it to begin with" and "he has gone so far backwards he's now at Hibs". 

 

It starts off slow, and before you know it, it becomes fact. 

 

 

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Ribble
16 minutes ago, Barack said:

Yeah, but he'll go back there. We'll maybe only get Hickey for a season. Like a pity ****.

 

Think you're being unreasonably harsh on the kid, mate. Money matters shit to Manchester City. Or most team's in the Championship for that matter. If they see the potential, they'll pay for it. Despite what us Jock hillbillies think.🙂

 

Christ they paid out the best part of a million for Meshino as no more than a marketing stunt to help their sister clubs in Japan (allows them to say that if you do well in Japan you can get a move to Man City*), while they rate him as a player they very much doubt he will ever reach 1st team level, dropping a few million on a 17 yr old prospect is nothing to City especially when Hickey would be classed as a homegrown player if he's signed by Jan and see's out his contract (doesn't even need to play a single game in Manchester)

 

*as told by a city club ambassador

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cardboardcutout

Setting aside his form of late it's his lack of pace which will hold him back imo.  sure he has a lot of physical development to come but pace is always obvious and I just don't see him as a full back in England without it.

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Sir Gio

This place is becoming more brutal by the day. We are shite at the moment, the bairn is suffering for it, but he clearly has talent, City know that. He will only get better and better.

 

He is a boy, he will not be a man for several years yet, same as Cochrane, lets not be writing kids off

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alanbauld

Not at all keen on selling players and having them loaned back. Not at all keen on having lots of City loan players here either. What does that make us as a club but an insignificant branch of the Man City franchise used as a training ground for players who may or may not progress. Didn't start paying every  month to give us financial freedom from Rangers and Celtic just to bend the knee to the first English Premeirship Club that comes calling. Develop our own players, try for Hearts men, then only sell if its mutual for both player and club.

 

Hearts come first, other teams interests a long way after.

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Barack
Just now, alanbauld said:

Not at all keen on selling players and having them loaned back. Not at all keen on having lots of City loan players here either. What does that make us as a club but an insignificant branch of the Man City franchise used as a training ground for players who may or may not progress. Didn't start paying every  month to give us financial freedom from Rangers and Celtic just to bend the knee to the first English Premeirship Club that comes calling. Develop our own players, try for Hearts men, then only sell if its mutual for both player and club.

 

Hearts come first, other teams interests a long way after.

I'd suggest stop paying into Hearts then.

 

Or come to terms with the reality of football clubs throughout the world.

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davemclaren
6 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Barnsley are on tae plums. They sacked him and the judge will say. :rofl:

Unless football has different rules ( not unusual ) it’s hard to see how they could demonstrate financial loss by him walking away from his contract given he is effectively on garden leave  

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John Findlay
4 hours ago, Meadows said:

Hickey doesn’t have an agent , I believe his dad negotiates on his behalf . 
Levein possibly acting as double agent ? 

I know a captain of a very good Spl team who doesnt have an agent either and does his own deals 

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davemclaren
3 minutes ago, alanbauld said:

Not at all keen on selling players and having them loaned back. Not at all keen on having lots of City loan players here either. What does that make us as a club but an insignificant branch of the Man City franchise used as a training ground for players who may or may not progress. Didn't start paying every  month to give us financial freedom from Rangers and Celtic just to bend the knee to the first English Premeirship Club that comes calling. Develop our own players, try for Hearts men, then only sell if its mutual for both player and club.

 

Hearts come first, other teams interests a long way after.

If we are negotiating it then the club must believe it’s in our best interests surely. Maybe we need the cash now to help restructure and/or maybe Hickey has intimated he won’t sign a new contract 

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luckydug
4 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Seems straightforward enough. He's still being paid and Barnsley will want to be paid back. Stendal gets paid until his contract runs out with likely a clause he can't take up another job within a given period - as Spurs have allegedly done with Pocchetino. The only thing I dont get is the tone of Barsley CEO. 

It was reported last week that Stendal had settled his contract with Barnsley and was free to move.

Confused 😕

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Paulp74

I would take the £1.5m mentioned, plus a sell on clause for hickey. Think the move would help his development also. We seem to be able to get a player to a certain level (I.e. cochrane) but can't make the next step.

 

If barnsley are after compensation, which sounds ridiculous if they've sacked him, then we should get someone else in for the rest of the season (robbo?) and move for him again in the summer. 

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Famous 1874

As long as we get a good fee then I will be less bothered. If the fee is low then I will be fuming. 

 

Yes we want to keep players like him for longer but money talks. We are a selling club like the vast majority and this will be the first time in years that we will hopefully get good money for a youth player. Imo he is leaving a bit prematurely but like I said before money talks. 

 

A good blueprint would be to get around 100-150 games under a youth players belt at first team level then re asses to see if we can sell them on. 

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graygo
7 hours ago, Sid said:

What fricken justification. How can you berate  Ann on everything football and same breath put her down for helping land a great deal with an experienced Board Member. 

 

Missing my point which is that if some people think that Craig Levein should be nowhere near the club as he has been sacked then they are justified in seething that he is showing the prospective new manager round the facilities and selling the club to him.

 

I am not one who thinks this way but get why some would.

 

Hope that clears up any confusion.

 

Edited by graygo

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Robbo-Jambo
9 hours ago, letsalldothebeattie said:

No truth in this as Barnsley paid up joe contract last week freeing him up to take a job with no compensation to be paid

I thought that as well but reports suggesting otherwise. 🤔

 

Bit confusing tbh. 

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Robbo-Jambo
49 minutes ago, alanbauld said:

Not at all keen on selling players and having them loaned back. Not at all keen on having lots of City loan players here either. What does that make us as a club but an insignificant branch of the Man City franchise used as a training ground for players who may or may not progress. Didn't start paying every  month to give us financial freedom from Rangers and Celtic just to bend the knee to the first English Premeirship Club that comes calling. Develop our own players, try for Hearts men, then only sell if its mutual for both player and club.

 

Hearts come first, other teams interests a long way after.

Kind of agree with that. 

 

Would be hard to build a settled squad on a longish term basis. 

 

Might be constant comings and goings. 🤔

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Cruyff Turn

Happy to see him go and improve elsewhere as long as the money is decent and we add in a sell on fee. 

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lost in space
7 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Happy to see him go and improve elsewhere as long as the money is decent and we add in a sell on fee. 

THIS.

He is a great prospect who is not playing well (not his fault). It is no real bonus to have him until the end of the season as he is still learning and will make mistakes.

We need the cash to buy experienced players.

We will never, unfortunately see him at his best.

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TheStig
1 hour ago, alanbauld said:

Not at all keen on selling players and having them loaned back. Not at all keen on having lots of City loan players here either. What does that make us as a club but an insignificant branch of the Man City franchise used as a training ground for players who may or may not progress. Didn't start paying every  month to give us financial freedom from Rangers and Celtic just to bend the knee to the first English Premeirship Club that comes calling. Develop our own players, try for Hearts men, then only sell if its mutual for both player and club.

 

Hearts come first, other teams interests a long way after.

What do you mean by lots of man city loan players? We have 1 player from city on loan not an entire squad!

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the general
45 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said:

Kind of agree with that. 

 

Would be hard to build a settled squad on a longish term basis. 

 

Might be constant comings and goings. 🤔

 

True but we are kinda used to lots of comings and goings

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johnking123

Up for selling hickey for a few million. Let Celtic get there cut and give the new manager some funds. 

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Taffin
3 hours ago, The Treasurer said:

Simple way round that.

Give them Hickey for free and sell them Steven Mclean for £5m

 

Or loan him to them for a £5m loan fee with the option to buy him for free at the end of the loan

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Spellczech

If he left them claimed constructive dismissal he'd likely win...

 

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Spellczech

Sell Hickey for£1 then Man City loan him to us and pay his wages for 3-4 years....Sod Celtic

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farin

 

6 hours ago, 1874robbo said:

So much for him not having anything to do with first team affairs.

 

Yep, 😄

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Tynecastlesmychurch

We should loan him to city for the price we want to sell him for. With the promise that we'll sell him to them at the end of the season for £1 that way Celtic still get 30% of something! 

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Heart of Darkness
4 hours ago, The Treasurer said:

Simple way round that.

Give them Hickey for free and sell them Steven Mclean for £5m

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Cairneyhill Jambo
33 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Sell Hickey for£1 then Man City loan him to us and pay his wages for 3-4 years....Sod Celtic

 

I'm sure the only reason we were allowed to sign Dave McPherson from Rangers was if we signed Hugh Burns as well.

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Cruickshank for Scotland
11 hours ago, farin said:

 

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Seen this earlier about it. 


Levein? She just can’t let go!

Surely no deal should be put together until the new manager runs his eye over the squad and has his say so?

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Cruickshank for Scotland
2 hours ago, John Findlay said:

I know a captain of a very good Spl team who doesnt have an agent either and does his own deals 


Is he a young boy?

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Jamboelite
4 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:


Levein? She just can’t let go!

Surely no deal should be put together until the new manager runs his eye over the squad and has his say so?

Perhaps the deal is to fund the new manager ?

 

Perhaps Hickey wanted Levein there ?

 

Perhaps Levein isnt involved at all ?

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Cruickshank for Scotland
1 minute ago, Jamboelite said:

Perhaps the deal is to fund the new manager ?

 

Perhaps Hickey wanted Levein there ?

 

Perhaps Levein isnt involved at all ?


Perhaps, Perhaps, Perhaps

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John Findlay
7 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:


Levein? She just can’t let go!

Surely no deal should be put together until the new manager runs his eye over the squad and has his say so?

Perhaps the one person they didnt mention, Hickey's father wanted Levein there as he trusts him along with himself to look after the boy's own interests. Whether you like him or not. Levein has a wealth of knowledge how football works.

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John Findlay
9 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:


Is he a young boy?

Not particularly. Has never had an agent since he was twenty.

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Cruickshank for Scotland
1 minute ago, John Findlay said:

Perhaps the one person they didnt mention, Hickey's father wanted Levein there as he trusts him along with himself to look after the boy's own interests. Whether you like him or not. Levein has a wealth of knowledge how football works.


My main point was as we are seemingly very close to appointing a new manager would it not be courteous to let him assess our squad first before selling our best young talent?

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Barack
Just now, John Findlay said:

Not particularly. Has never had an agent since he was twenty.

Don't think Steven MacLean's ever had an agent.🤔

 

I might be wrong...has been known.

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Independence
1 minute ago, John Findlay said:

Perhaps the one person they didnt mention, Hickey's father wanted Levein there as he trusts him along with himself to look after the boy's own interests. Whether you like him or not. Levein has a wealth of knowledge how football works.

The horrible way social media is being used against a fellow Hearts fan, one of the best  players I have had the privilege to watch and a man who fought to ensure Hearts survival is truly shocking. The many ejeets on KB who have followed this line should hang their heads in shame. Please, no replies from keyboard warriors.

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Cruickshank for Scotland
1 minute ago, Independence said:

The horrible way social media is being used against a fellow Hearts fan, one of the best  players I have had the privilege to watch and a man who fought to ensure Hearts survival is truly shocking. The many ejeets on KB who have followed this line should hang their heads in shame. Please, no replies from keyboard warriors.


You’re getting one.....😂

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Dusty

Pep said they will not buy any defenders in January. “No, nope. I don’t want any new players in January”.

 

If the story is true, Levein is a paid employee of the club. He has no involvement now in first team affairs, so if she’s happy to use him for things like this, I don’t see the issue.

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John Findlay
4 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:


My main point was as we are seemingly very close to appointing a new manager would it not be courteous to let him assess our squad first before selling our best young talent?

Maybe he has giving his approval. Anyways if you believe everything you read we are selling him to city to be immediately loaned back. So young Arron(a) isint physically going anywhere yet.

Edited by John Findlay

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Gambo
23 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:


Levein? She just can’t let go!

Surely no deal should be put together until the new manager runs his eye over the squad and has his say so?

Tbf, Man City probably asked for him to be there to explain how he has fkd up one of their promising youngsters they sent to us.

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Cruickshank for Scotland
Just now, John Findlay said:

Maybe he as giving his approval. Anyways if you believe everything you read we are selling him to city to be immediately loaned back. So young Arron(a) isint physically going anywhere yet.


I would doubt Hickey would be part of the negotiations going by the complexity of attracting DS to Edinburgh, compensation, back room staff, etc.

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Independence
5 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:


You’re getting one.....😂

You really need to get out more!

 

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