Deodato Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) We're not alone in having a shocker this weekend. Down here in North London, I was at the Arsenal v Southampton shambles. As per usual, Arsenal all over the place,, but worth noting that their £25m defender Kieran Tierney was to blame for many of the mistakes. He's been called out by the critics too. ‘Where do we start? They were sloppy, so bad defensively. [Kieran] Tierney set the tone after a couple of minutes, caught on the ball, poor touches,’ - Shearer "It's lazy defending from Tierney, he gets played in there and instead of tracking the run and guiding him away from goal, he's just pulled him back and Ings has gone over and rightly so." - Lescott Question1 : when you saw Tierney play for Celtic against Hearts, did you see £25m market value? I didn't, and I think he's being found out. Question 2; If he is/was worth £25m, then where would you put a fit and in-form John Souttar on the transfer market. Feels like Celtic got five numbers and a bonus ball with that deal. Deodato Edited November 24, 2019 by Deodato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 It wouldn't have been a pen when playing for Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Aye the Free staters must be pishing themselves after getting 25m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Isn't that like his 2nd game for them? Bound to be off the pace. Also, market value doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 saw the highlights on MOTD and he was poor. the moment when southampton should have scored when one of their attackers dispossessed sokratis when he was the only one in the box and them played a poor ball to a southampton player with an open goal. i would put that at tierneys feet as well. he should not have played the ball to sokratis and then he did not make any space to receive the ball from him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) I wouldn't judge him in that current Arsenal side. He put some good balls into the box yesterday and has had some good performances and assists in the Europa League games. He'd maybe be better playing in midfield as he's brilliant going past people and his crossing is generally very good. Edited November 24, 2019 by Captain Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Transfer fees don't mean anything. You can't compare one against another. Tierney is a good player, much better than Souttar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrysRightFoot Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 It was hardly just him that was poor. Granted it was a silly pen to give away. But from what the BT commentators, on that scores show they do, said he didn’t hide and kept getting forward and getting crosses in. His cross led to the first goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesandears Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 But but but The Daily Record has been gushing about Tierney on a daily basis in a kind of 'what Keiran did next' way. Don't think they'll be so quick to diss their golden boy. Total rag of a paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Is the op a Hearts man? Genuine question, always seems to post about premier league teams/players and about American sports . Never seen him on a Hearts thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Deodato said: We're not alone in having a shocker this weekend. Down here in North London, I was at the Arsenal v Southampton shambles. As per usual, Arsenal all over the place,, but worth noting that their £25m defender Kieran Tierney was to blame for many of the mistakes. He's been called out by the critics too. ‘Where do we start? They were sloppy, so bad defensively. [Kieran] Tierney set the tone after a couple of minutes, caught on the ball, poor touches,’ - Shearer "It's lazy defending from Tierney, he gets played in there and instead of tracking the run and guiding him away from goal, he's just pulled him back and Ings has gone over and rightly so." - Lescott Question1 : when you saw Tierney play for Celtic against Hearts, did you see £25m market value? I didn't, and I think he's being found out. Question 2; If he is/was worth £25m, then where would you put a fit and in-form John Souttar on the transfer market. Feels like Celtic got five numbers and a bonus ball with that deal. Deodato John Souttar will never play for a club the size of Arsenal!!! He can’t even play consistently well in a shite Hearts team FFS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 44 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Transfer fees don't mean anything. You can't compare one against another. Tierney is a good player, much better than Souttar. Spot on. A far better player albeit in different positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John mcCartney Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, Irufushi said: Is the op a Hearts man? Genuine question, always seems to post about premier league teams/players and about American sports . Never seen him on a Hearts thread. Deodato is our London correspondent,he`s as detached from Hmfc as any of us at the moment..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, jambopilms said: It wouldn't have been a pen when playing for Celtic. Was my first thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Home sick for goon brigade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Deodato said: We're not alone in having a shocker this weekend. Down here in North London, I was at the Arsenal v Southampton shambles. As per usual, Arsenal all over the place,, but worth noting that their £25m defender Kieran Tierney was to blame for many of the mistakes. He's been called out by the critics too. ‘Where do we start? They were sloppy, so bad defensively. [Kieran] Tierney set the tone after a couple of minutes, caught on the ball, poor touches,’ - Shearer "It's lazy defending from Tierney, he gets played in there and instead of tracking the run and guiding him away from goal, he's just pulled him back and Ings has gone over and rightly so." - Lescott Question1 : when you saw Tierney play for Celtic against Hearts, did you see £25m market value? I didn't, and I think he's being found out. Question 2; If he is/was worth £25m, then where would you put a fit and in-form John Souttar on the transfer market. Feels like Celtic got five numbers and a bonus ball with that deal. Deodato Strange post, very bitter. Tierney is undoubtedly a talent, and the Arsenal fans love him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS' Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) He is part of an already shady defence, going forward his delivery is still superb and creates plenty chances. If Arsenal sort themselves out with 2 centre backs he will be fine. Also Souttar has many reasons in his CV as to why he wouldn't command even a quarter of that fee. Edited November 24, 2019 by VALDOS' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Can’t believe the OP is trying to compare Soutar to Tierney. Every player that’s played the game has had shite games. Tierney will be a bargain for Arsenal at £25m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 He was always suspect defensively. A back line with Sokratis and David Luiz was always going to be a car crash, no idea what planet that Arsenal manager is on. Cloud cuckoo land. Tierney gets benefit of the doubt he is trying to get up to speed with the Premier League coming into a team which is all at sea, that manager likely to be sacked in the morning so I’ll reserve judgement if they go and get a decent manager in. Honestly the smart move for Arsenal is probably to get Big Sam or David Moyes in Thats their level now. They need someone in to sort that defence out it’s an absolute clown show 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts_fan Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 To be fair to Tierney, he can't be expected to know that sort of offence is actually a foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiSkacelsLeftPeg Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Deodato said: We're not alone in having a shocker this weekend. Down here in North London, I was at the Arsenal v Southampton shambles. As per usual, Arsenal all over the place,, but worth noting that their £25m defender Kieran Tierney was to blame for many of the mistakes. He's been called out by the critics too. ‘Where do we start? They were sloppy, so bad defensively. [Kieran] Tierney set the tone after a couple of minutes, caught on the ball, poor touches,’ - Shearer "It's lazy defending from Tierney, he gets played in there and instead of tracking the run and guiding him away from goal, he's just pulled him back and Ings has gone over and rightly so." - Lescott Question1 : when you saw Tierney play for Celtic against Hearts, did you see £25m market value? I didn't, and I think he's being found out. Question 2; If he is/was worth £25m, then where would you put a fit and in-form John Souttar on the transfer market. Feels like Celtic got five numbers and a bonus ball with that deal. Deodato You must be kidding about Souttar? Kierney is pretty decent albeit he played for them. The right coach in the right team he could go on to be pretty successful. Both his balls into the box yesterday resulted in the Arsenal goals. Decent player and still young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynecastlesmychurch Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 This might not be popular but he's a young Scottish player at one of England's biggest clubs. So he absolutely has my support. Couldn't care less who he used to play for. I really hope he settles and does well down their. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deodato Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, RudiSkacelsLeftPeg said: You must be kidding about Souttar? You would never expect a lawyer to read the law. Neither would you ask a poster to read the original post. 5 hours ago, Deodato said: Question 2; If he is/was worth £25m, then where would you put a fit and in-form John Souttar on the transfer market. I am not directly comparing Souttar to Tierney. I am simply asking where would that put a fit-and-in-form Souttar by comparison. What's the highest transfer fee our club has ever commanded? (London Hearts will probably have the data inflation adjusted). My point is if Souttar is worth one-tenth of Tierney's fee, wouldn't that break the record? The conversation was really inspired by the transfer value of defenders in general - regardless of what league they have come from. I think Manchester City were the first mover in paying huge sums for defenders - way beyond anything in the past - and now that spreads across all leading EPL clubs. I do agree with many of the posters above - Arsenal's problems go way beyond a bad day in the office by KT, but he had a shocker and that might cost him the manager who signed him. That's my point. To the cynics above <face palm> A genuine intelligent question about transfer values - apologies to some earlier posters for not beginning with a predictably mundane 'Budge Oot' diatribe <sigh> Also for the Deodato music lovers, he wrote Celebration for Kool and the Gang. Perhaps not the best time to play that one given current league form, but anyway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 But but but Aubamayang And Lacazette posted on their Instagram about him training in just shorts and t shirt when they had jumpers and hats and all things warm on so everything will be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 He's no Andy Robertson that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E6 Inc Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 The Arsneal fans I know, who go to/watch the games regularly, say he's been brilliant up to now and have slatted Emry for not starting him more. Been their signing of the season so far. As much as we like to rip into Celtic, he's a very very good player. If you are deadset on saying otherwise I'm afraid thats maroon-tinted glasses. In the EPL he is a steal at 25m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Kieran Tierney is one of the most over rated Scottish players in a long time. A wee Celtic ned who their 'fans' **** themselves daft over because he drinks Bucky and done that video with Bitton that was pure hilarious eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 He is used to Scottish referees who would have never given that as a penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Deodato said: We're not alone in having a shocker this weekend. Down here in North London, I was at the Arsenal v Southampton shambles. As per usual, Arsenal all over the place,, but worth noting that their £25m defender Kieran Tierney was to blame for many of the mistakes. He's been called out by the critics too. ‘Where do we start? They were sloppy, so bad defensively. [Kieran] Tierney set the tone after a couple of minutes, caught on the ball, poor touches,’ - Shearer "It's lazy defending from Tierney, he gets played in there and instead of tracking the run and guiding him away from goal, he's just pulled him back and Ings has gone over and rightly so." - Lescott Question1 : when you saw Tierney play for Celtic against Hearts, did you see £25m market value? I didn't, and I think he's being found out. Question 2; If he is/was worth £25m, then where would you put a fit and in-form John Souttar on the transfer market. Feels like Celtic got five numbers and a bonus ball with that deal. Deodato Of course he is t worth £25m but the. Elric PR machine ensure they get well above the odds for the likes of him. Torn to shreds by Uche last season should have been an indicator. Arsenal are the mugs for paying it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Tierney finding out you get punished more for losing concentration when it’s Danny Ings begins you rather than Steven Maclean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphiwe Tshabalala Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 14 hours ago, jambopilms said: It wouldn't have been a pen when playing for Celtic. That’s exactly what I thought when I seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Locky said: Kieran Tierney is one of the most over rated Scottish players in a long time. A wee Celtic ned who their 'fans' **** themselves daft over because he drinks Bucky and done that video with Bitton that was pure hilarious eh. End thread 👏🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Agree with the general comments about him being overrated, but actually there are comparisons with Tierney and the weekend and Hickey, in that his team mates left him exposed over and over again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said: Tierney finding out you get punished more for losing concentration when it’s Danny Ings begins you rather than Steven Maclean. Danny Ings begins... Good title for a song that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, Stephane Grappelli said: Danny Ings begins... Good title for a song that. It originally came up as Danny Zings. ***** Zings...reminds me of a girl I once knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¼½¾ Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, Stephane Grappelli said: Danny Ings begins... Good title for a song that. Thank goodnessfor auto correct. 'Danny Ings behind' would be a whole different kind of song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 4 hours ago, E6 Inc said: The Arsneal fans I know, who go to/watch the games regularly, say he's been brilliant up to now and have slatted Emry for not starting him more. Been their signing of the season so far. As much as we like to rip into Celtic, he's a very very good player. If you are deadset on saying otherwise I'm afraid thats maroon-tinted glasses. In the EPL he is a steal at 25m High praise for somebody who has only played four games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E6 Inc Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: High praise for somebody who has only played four games. He's played 3 in Europa, 3 in the league and 2 in the league cup. Also remember they've been fairly rank and their other two main signings have been Pepe, who is dreadful, and David Luiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 To be fair I thought the penalty he gave away was pretty harsh. Ings went down really easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, E6 Inc said: He's played 3 in Europa, 3 in the league and 2 in the league cup. Also remember they've been fairly rank and their other two main signings have been Pepe, who is dreadful, and David Luiz. Sorry, 8 games. But surely as part of the defence that's leaking goals like a sieve he deserves the same criticism as the rest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 He might improve when Arsenal sack Emery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schevchenko Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Get your point defensively but those highlights seem to show him creating nearly everything for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heres Rixxy Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 As a fan of the national team, I personally want all Scottish players that play outside of Scotland to do well. The fact Celtic were paid for him as opposed to say Dundee Utd doesn't matter now. In fact since he commanded the largest transfer fee for a cross border signing I especially want Tierney to do well so if/when clubs come knocking for any of our players there is greater confidence players can make the step up. That said, I don't read Scottish rags or have to talk to any OF fans so perhaps I'm a bit sheltered from it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 19 hours ago, Irufushi said: Is the op a Hearts man? Genuine question, always seems to post about premier league teams/players and about American sports . Never seen him on a Hearts thread. And a huge Gerry Cinnamon fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, hmfc_liam06 said: And a huge Gerry Cinnamon fan. 😂 poor guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Breaking news. Football player puts in poor performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 15 hours ago, Deodato said: I am simply asking where would that put a fit-and-in-form Souttar by comparison. What's the highest transfer fee our club has ever commanded? (London Hearts will probably have the data inflation adjusted). My point is if Souttar is worth one-tenth of Tierney's fee, wouldn't that break the record? The conversation was really inspired by the transfer value of defenders in general - regardless of what league they have come from. I think Manchester City were the first mover in paying huge sums for defenders - way beyond anything in the past - and now that spreads across all leading EPL clubs. I do agree with many of the posters above - Arsenal's problems go way beyond a bad day in the office by KT, but he had a shocker and that might cost him the manager who signed him. That's my point. Craig Gordon £9mm to Sunderland I'd reckon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 He was over promoted by the press, but he is a decent player, who happens to play in a shit Arsenal defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deodato Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Jap Jambo said: Craig Gordon £9mm to Sunderland I'd reckon... Correct, thanks for reminding me. I believe that set the record for UK transfer fees for this position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Other than the pen he didnt look that bad in those highlights? Created some good chances from dangerous crosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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