mitch41 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 4 hours ago, copa-mundial said: Watford sack Javi Gracia. Poor form from the end of last season - start of this season No messing about from Watford today. They sacked their manager and appointed a new manager in just over 30 minutes. And to think when Cathro was sacked it took Hearts near enough a month to fail appointing a manager from their long protracted interviews. And when they failed in their process our DOF got the job on a part-time basis. So we end up with a part-time manager and a part-time DOF. No wonder our team is a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, greggy123 said: See instead of commenting on my spelling , why don’t you comment on what you thought I said was so wrong. I’m sure you’ve never written something quickly and spelt something wrong👍 You are so right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 13 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Not having a go but see your comment Levein as “done a great job rebuilding the club” what has he actually rebuilt? Budge has certainly done a fantastic rebuilding the club in terms of the stadium, our finances, the corporate side and administration. Levein has not rebuilt the team successfully over the last few seasons that’s for sure. He gets credit for rebuilding the Academy but what specific improvements has he made there?? You guys are hilarious. Levein is to get all the blame for everything that goes wrong, but none of the credit for anything done well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 14 hours ago, shaun.lawson said: 11 managers in 8 years. They're unique. But it works for them: in terms of Watford's natural size (bottom half Championship club), they're overachieving massively. This is the second golden era in their entire history, and it's all down to the Pozzo family. Whose ideas are comparable to Romanov's in a way: just minus the ruinous overspending and occasional barking at the moon. Romanov could afford the overspending - at least until his other businesses collapsed. He did debt for equity swaps 2 or 3 times which resulted in our debt being the same £28m as when he took over the club. The problem we had with Romanov was that although he transferred the debt to his own bank, that bank kept it on the books and never wrote it off ( probably couldn't as he didn't own 100% of the bank). As Bury proved, new owners don't like paying off the debts of their predecessors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Spellczech said: You guys are hilarious. Levein is to get all the blame for everything that goes wrong, but none of the credit for anything done well... I asked a question - what specific improvements has Levein made at the Academy? The usual answer is we are now producing young talent, but we were already producing the likes of Walker and Paterson under the old regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, shaun.lawson said: 11 managers in 8 years. They're unique. But it works for them: in terms of Watford's natural size (bottom half Championship club), they're overachieving massively. This is the second golden era in their entire history, and it's all down to the Pozzo family. Whose ideas are comparable to Romanov's in a way: just minus the ruinous overspending and occasional barking at the moon. Below is a summary of the last accounts in case you wish to review the highlighted comment. The overspending might not be ruinous.....yet. Please note the figures are in thousands makingthe operating loss just under £30m and the loss on rdinary activities etc justunder £32m Key Performance Indicators 2018 2017 £'000 £'000 Turnover 128,222 123,907 Wages and salary costs (85,809) (76,015) Other operating expenses (30,376) (29,978) Amortisation and impairment of player registrations (41,433) (28,514) Other operating income 69 62 Regulatory fees - (4,300) Operating loss (29,326) (14,838) Profit on disposal of player registrations 2,901 22,354 Net interest charges (5,189) (3,488) (Loss)/ Profit on ordinary activities before taxation (31,615) 4,028 Cash generated (absorbed) by operations 9,041 19,019 Wages to revenue ratio 67% 61% League position 14th 17th Edited September 8, 2019 by JamboAl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: I asked a question - what specific improvements has Levein made at the Academy? The usual answer is we are now producing young talent, but we were already producing the likes of Walker and Paterson under the old regime. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/big-interview-ann-budge-explains-why-she-is-fully-behind-hearts-boss-craig-levein-1-4974718 What specifics are you seeking? Better plumbing in the showers ? Any player who makes a career of football has to be regarded as a success for the Academy. Some people will argue it is just transfer fees brought in, but I don't subscribe to that narrow view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Spellczech said: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/big-interview-ann-budge-explains-why-she-is-fully-behind-hearts-boss-craig-levein-1-4974718 What specifics are you seeking? Better plumbing in the showers ? Any player who makes a career of football has to be regarded as a success for the Academy. Some people will argue it is just transfer fees brought in, but I don't subscribe to that narrow view. I’ll ignore your infantile “plumbing” comment. Yes I’ve read that article - other than confirming we spend £4m on the Academy there is nothing that clarifies the improvements Levein has made. My point is that when we were a ‘shambles’ we were still producing quality young players out of the Academy who were regulars in the first team such as Paterson and Walker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyowalnut Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 And another thread has gone the same way that every thread goes. Some people really need to take a day off. On topic, Watford have been pretty successful in the way the deal with their management teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 22 hours ago, greggy123 said: Very harsh. Done well with them last season. Ann budge could learn from there owners, footballs a cut throat business. 1st reply and we have a winner in Levein bingo. Depressing stuff. Kickbacks slide continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Bridge of Djoum said: 1st reply and we have a winner in Levein bingo. Depressing stuff. Kickbacks slide continues. Much like the slide of our team under Levein.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggy123 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Bridge of Djoum said: 1st reply and we have a winner in Levein bingo. Depressing stuff. Kickbacks slide continues. What is wrong with what I said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, greggy123 said: What is wrong with what I said? Spelling is worster than mines! 2 hours ago, Bridge of Djoum said: 1st reply and we have a winner in Levein bingo. Depressing stuff. Kickbacks slide continues. 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggy123 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, sadj said: Spelling is worster than mines! 👍🏻 Still no argument to why the comment I made was so wrong. That would be a grammar mistake not spelling👍 Edited September 8, 2019 by greggy123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 3 hours ago, tokyowalnut said: And another thread has gone the same way that every thread goes. Some people really need to take a day off. On topic, Watford have been pretty successful in the way the deal with their management teams. Hearts could learn a lesson from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: I’ll ignore your infantile “plumbing” comment. Yes I’ve read that article - other than confirming we spend £4m on the Academy there is nothing that clarifies the improvements Levein has made. My point is that when we were a ‘shambles’ we were still producing quality young players out of the Academy who were regulars in the first team such as Paterson and Walker. What are you talking about? Walker is 26 and Paterson 24... There is a whole missing footballing generation from them to the 17-19 year olds we have breaking into the team now .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Hearts could learn a lesson from them. Did you read my post above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 53 minutes ago, greggy123 said: Still no argument to why the comment I made was so wrong. That would be a grammar mistake not spelling👍 Ask Djoum , I agree with him but its by the by as every thread goes the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 55 minutes ago, Spellczech said: What are you talking about? Walker is 26 and Paterson 24... There is a whole missing footballing generation from them to the 17-19 year olds we have breaking into the team now .... And an academy that basically didn’t exist and needed rebuilt from the bottom up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, sadj said: And an academy that basically didn’t exist and needed rebuilt from the bottom up When the academy players have played 25-30 games a season then I'll concede its working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Spellczech said: What are you talking about? Walker is 26 and Paterson 24... There is a whole missing footballing generation from them to the 17-19 year olds we have breaking into the team now .... didn't we also sign paterson when he was 16/17 from somewhere like tynecastle boys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, jr ewing said: When the academy players have played 25-30 games a season then I'll concede its working. How many academy players at any club play that in their first teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 25 minutes ago, sadj said: And an academy that basically didn’t exist and needed rebuilt from the bottom up Tell us more?? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, JamboAl said: Did you read my post above? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggy123 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, sadj said: Ask Djoum , I agree with him but its by the by as every thread goes the same way. Well it is a Hearts forum. What do you expect. Ann budge has the business side of things down to a tea but running a football team, far off it. The only bit that actually matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Dp. Edited September 8, 2019 by It should have been ten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 07/09/2019 at 17:55, greggy123 said: Very harsh. Done well with them last season. Ann budge could learn from there owners, footballs a cut throat business. ‘NHC’ then first reply is this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 07/09/2019 at 21:01, Cruyff Turn said: Another non Hearts thread turned into a Levein GTF thread. Well done chaps, well done. Yep, every thread hijacked by the boring bar stewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: No. Try it and tell us whether we should learn from them. I'll make it a bit easier for you and reproduce it for the avoidancs of doubt. Below is a summary of the last accounts in case you wish to review the highlighted comment. The overspending might not be ruinous.....yet. Please note the figures are in thousands makingthe operating loss just under £30m and the loss on rdinary activities etc justunder £32m Key Performance Indicators 2018 2017 £'000 £'000 Turnover 128,222 123,907 Wages and salary costs (85,809) (76,015) Other operating expenses (30,376) (29,978) Amortisation and impairment of player registrations (41,433) (28,514) Other operating income 69 62 Regulatory fees - (4,300) Operating loss (29,326) (14,838) Profit on disposal of player registrations 2,901 22,354 Net interest charges (5,189) (3,488) (Loss)/ Profit on ordinary activities before taxation (31,615) 4,028 Cash generated (absorbed) by operations 9,041 19,019 Wages to revenue ratio 67% 61% League position 14th 17th Edited September 8, 2019 by JamboAl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Maradona has taken a job in Argentina. Give him a couple of weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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