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FruitJuice
5 minutes ago, jake said:

In every decade that preceded Souness Rangers had a policy of not signing Catholics is a glaring one.

 

If you are referring to trouble between the two supports any older poster on here will tell you today's old firm supports are nowhere near as bad.

Before the 50s you had the razor gang Billy boys.

Both clubs from the start identified with protestant v catholic a problem already well established.

It would be pretty difficult for any FA to ignore the vast majority of its punters.

Like it or not they command at least 3/4

the paying customer and probably more for tv.

 

If the main concern is the punters, it's completely pointless expecting anything to really get done about it.

 

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Nookie Bear
On 07/09/2019 at 00:07, shaun.lawson said:

Scotland can't be fixed. It can never be fixed until the Old Firm, who dominate every single thing in Scottish football despite both clubs having contempt for Scotland, leave: either for England or a European Super League.

 

Never-ending Old Firm dominance on the pitch results in Old Firm-friendly referees, Old Firm-friendly administrators, Old Firm-friendly journalists, and Old Firm-friendly managers. All of whom are raised in the same backwards beyond system and perpetuate it, seemingly forevermore. A backwards beyond belief system which still treats Celtic and Rangers as incredibly important when self-evidently, they no longer are. A backwards beyond belief system which is exposed every single week by leagues across Europe which, unlike in the past, people can watch at the click of a button.

 

The national team can't be fixed until it's prioritised. It will never be prioritised as long as the Old Firm remain. Only Celtic and Rangers matter to almost everyone who's anyone in the Scottish game. Their impact is to be the jailers of Scottish football: holding it prisoner to their resources, their needs and their bigotry. If another club builds a good young side, the players are bought by the Old Firm and left on the bench, while their new club complains about "lack of competition". No other club can sustainably grow and become a challenger because of a prize money and revenue system which again, prioritises the Glasgow two at everyone else's expense. And as Celtic and Rangers go backwards on the pitch, so does everyone else. On and on and on it goes.

 

Gate receipt sharing? The Old Firm would never accept it. Summer football? Ditto. A larger league? Same again. Championship playoffs? Ibid. Two bald men fighting over a comb in a constant race to the bottom in which the victims are everyone else. But nothing will ever, ever be done about it. The national team's practically been allowed to die, it's been so bad for so long - yet its failure for more than a generation has resulted in the square root of sweet FA being done to change things.  

 

Scotland got away with much of this in the past because football wasn't global in the way it is now; because there were fewer national teams while the USSR and the former Yugoslavia were still intact; and as more or less the founders of the sport, it had a historic advantage over most other nations for a long, long time. Yet other nations modernised. Other nations brought in new coaching methods. Scotland just stayed the same ("get your foot in! Be hard to beat! Hoof it up the park! When in doubt, hoof it out!")... and the one good thing it kept doing, producing great managers, has stopped as well.

 

And of course, kids no longer playing football in the streets and de-industrialisation have more than played their part as well. It's playstation, the internet, mobile phones and junk food instead. As a result of all this, there's nothing left. The baw's burst. The game's a bogey.

 

I missed this post until someone else quoted it. 

 

If the old firm leave, they still remain in the country and even more focus will be on them as they play similar opponents across Europe. Forget the rest of us playing in some parochial wee league, fighting to be “Champions of the Rest” - we would be feeder clubs for the even wealthier old firm, just as we were moving away from those times due to good financial management by the likes of us, hibs, Aberdeen and Killie. 

 

Anyway, just my tuppence worth as I never get the argument that the old firm leaving would really benefit us. 

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FruitJuice
3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

I missed this post until someone else quoted it. 

 

If the old firm leave, they still remain in the country and even more focus will be on them as they play similar opponents across Europe. Forget the rest of us playing in some parochial wee league, fighting to be “Champions of the Rest” - we would be feeder clubs for the even wealthier old firm, just as we were moving away from those times due to good financial management by the likes of us, hibs, Aberdeen and Killie. 

 

Anyway, just my tuppence worth as I never get the argument that the old firm leaving would really benefit us. 

Not existing is the only real answer.  We nearly got halfway there.

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Nookie Bear
Just now, FruitJuice said:

Not existing is the only real answer.  We nearly got halfway there.

 

Definitely. 

 

Or...something radical like fairer distribution of money by UEFA but that will never happen because they want a European League. 

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Icon of Symmetry
7 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

I missed this post until someone else quoted it. 

 

If the old firm leave, they still remain in the country and even more focus will be on them as they play similar opponents across Europe. Forget the rest of us playing in some parochial wee league, fighting to be “Champions of the Rest” - we would be feeder clubs for the even wealthier old firm, just as we were moving away from those times due to good financial management by the likes of us, hibs, Aberdeen and Killie. 

 

Anyway, just my tuppence worth as I never get the argument that the old firm leaving would really benefit us. 

 

I say this repeatedly. The OF ditching the Scottish leagues system for a richer cross borders league would make things even worse, not better. Amazed more people can’t get their heads around this. They would need to re-locate physically.

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FruitJuice
4 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Definitely. 

 

Or...something radical like fairer distribution of money by UEFA but that will never happen because they want a European League. 

Not just that.  If the old firm had to share more of the money, they wouldn't be able to pay the living wage.  Imagine taking something as virtuous as that away from them.  Especially the peoples club Celtic.  You want them to completely flog their morals?  

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sadj
2 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

I say this repeatedly. The OF ditching the Scottish leagues system for a richer cross borders league would make things even worse, not better. Amazed more people can’t get their heads around this. They would need to re-locate physically.

 

Can we just pick up Glasgow and chuck it across the water or over the border? 🤔

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FruitJuice
Just now, sadj said:

 

Can we just pick up Glasgow and chuck it across the water or over the border? 🤔

Grab an end and we'll give it a bash.  

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Nookie Bear
2 minutes ago, FruitJuice said:

Not just that.  If the old firm had to share more of the money, they wouldn't be able to pay the living wage.  Imagine taking something as virtuous as that away from them.  Especially the peoples club Celtic.  You want them to completely flog their morals?  

 

Of course, why should they share their money? Would we?

 

There is billions of £££ sloshing around football and it is up to UEFA and FIFA to distribute it more fairly. 

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FruitJuice
Just now, Nookie Bear said:

 

Of course, why should they share their money? Would we?

 

There is billions of £££ sloshing around football and it is up to UEFA and FIFA to distribute it more fairly. 

I know.  Was just having a dig at them not paying the living wage.  Celtic especially.  You know where you are with rangers.  With Celtic being the self acclaimed most left wing club in the world, you expect better.

Not saying paying the living wage is solely a left wing principle, but you'd think they'd back up their mouths.

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kila
3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Of course, why should they share their money? Would we?

 

There is billions of £££ sloshing around football and it is up to UEFA and FIFA to distribute it more fairly. 

 

I think the European representatives of the league should pay a levy on earnings from the group stages onwards.

 

There just isn't enough money in the SPFL for other teams to earn enough to compete with Celtic and Rangers. We've already had over 20 years of the same, the game isn't exactly helping sell itself because of the gulf between the Old Firm and the rest of us.

 

 

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Icon of Symmetry
8 minutes ago, sadj said:

 

Can we just pick up Glasgow and chuck it across the water or over the border? 🤔

 

Swap it for somewhere decent down south. Then become independent.

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Nookie Bear
10 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

Swap it for somewhere decent down south. Then become independent.

 

Do that and I would turn from 🇬🇧 to 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 overnight. See you jimmy hat, kilt and rugby top...the full works. 

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jambosdad
On 07/09/2019 at 06:39, grumpy rebus said:

 

That would be because it is one of the devolved responsibilities, like health etc. But don’t let the facts get in the way of you post 😂😂😂😂

Beat me to it. Westminster to blame for our poor international performances. Gets worse.  Aye SNP will right matters after next referendum. But only sides from their voting areas.

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sadj
1 hour ago, FruitJuice said:

Grab an end and we'll give it a bash.  

No bother ill get on the spinach 👍🏻

1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Of course, why should they share their money? Would we?

 

There is billions of £££ sloshing around football and it is up to UEFA and FIFA to distribute it more fairly. 

Don’t Celtic fans already claim the high ground on helping everyone because if they reach the champs league all teams get a couple of quid? (Might be wrong it was possibly twatter i saw that on)

1 hour ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

Swap it for somewhere decent down south. Then become independent.

Any suggestions of where?

 

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shaun.lawson
2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

I missed this post until someone else quoted it. 

 

If the old firm leave, they still remain in the country and even more focus will be on them as they play similar opponents across Europe. Forget the rest of us playing in some parochial wee league, fighting to be “Champions of the Rest” - we would be feeder clubs for the even wealthier old firm, just as we were moving away from those times due to good financial management by the likes of us, hibs, Aberdeen and Killie. 

 

Anyway, just my tuppence worth as I never get the argument that the old firm leaving would really benefit us. 

 

Interesting post. As this is a thread about the national team, though, I disagree. In any country whose domestic league isn't of broader commercial interest, it's that much easier for young players to be prioritised: because their paths to playing in the first team aren't blocked off by expensive foreign players. In turn, they can be sold on, with the profits reinvested in youth structures - as would happen if/when a Super League is set up.

 

Sweden and Denmark, to name but two, constantly outperform Scotland by leaps and bounds. Yet virtually all of their clubs are, in European terms, non-entities. Still of interest to the locals, no doubt - but not part of the Greed Is Good rat race which dominates so much of top level competition nowadays. And not dominated forevermore by two clubs who are simultaneously too big for their country, while offering nothing in European terms.

 

20 years ago now, I suggested that the two countries best set up for international football in the decades ahead were France and Holland. Both successful, famous footballing nations, with the resources to pump into youth systems and academies - but neither with leagues remotely strong enough to stop their best players leaving for England, Spain or Italy, so always with clear pathways into their leagues for youngsters. 

 

Those three countries will always have major issues prioritising the national team over the relentless demands of the club game. World Champions France, Holland (a decent bet for Euro 2020, I'd say) and everyone else in Europe, not so much.

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GiantJambo

Maybe it's about time that our supporters accepted that it's nothing to do with the managers – Levein, Strachan, McLeish, Clarke or whoever – we're just crap at football. Pretty well all team games, actually.

 

Here's a pebble to toss into the pond... my theory is that countries with lots of immigrants do well at team games – Germany, France, even England. Growing up, their kids grow up wanting to be accepted in society by being national heroes. Think about who plays in these teams.

 

We really don't have many immigrants, honestly.

 

Comments welcome. Just a theory.

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JackLadd

At least Scotland didn't draw 1-1 at home to Lichtenstein. Seems a long time since the super heady days of Euro 2004 when Greece shocked planet fitba. 

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VALDOS'

Just add to the misery, If its Finland we play in the nations league play off, they will put us down. Looked more than handy against Italy. 

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Shooter McGavin

I think theres an attitude problem in Scotland, young lads would rather get on the bevvy with their daft pals, rather than truly dedicate themselves and put in the work. 

 

I also get the impression that other countries in Europe seem to mature their young players a lot quicker and get them physically fitter, stronger and mentally more capable, whereas our players are usually not very well built and look like they’re one tackle away from intensive care. When our youth squads play in tournaments the difference in physique is immense. 

 

Or maybe we’re just s****.

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Pans Jambo
On 06/09/2019 at 23:42, Gashauskis9 said:

I genuinely wouldn’t miss it.

Agreed. I cant & dont even even watch it anymore. Complete waste of a couple of hours IMO.

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Blacky87

Not sure how we fix it, but it amazes me that we've probably got more players in the EPL than any other team in Europe out with England themselves, and we still can't knock a result together. 

 

It know it's a very naive way to look at things, but we have a Man Utd CM, and a Liverpool LB that would walk into most teams around Europe, then you have Fraser, McLean, Mcburnie, Richie etc

 

The value of the Scotland squad is probably at its highest than its ever been, yet we have a £20mil striker who cannae be arsed with us and cannae find the net and pretty much no other options upfront. Griffiths has a good knack of finding net I suppose. 

 

Our persistence in playing Mulgrew and others like astounds me.  

 

Really when you look at the squad, I would be as bold as to say that outside of Europe's major teams ie Germany, Spain, England, France yadda yadda etc etc we should be giving these teams good games. 

 

Netherlands just put Germany on their backside. Thats a result we will never see. 

 

Until we follow a similar model were doomed. I would suggest that we select players under 25 and just play them together for next 4-5 years. Like what Germany and Netherlands do every so often. Not like we'd notice a dip in form. 

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12 hours ago, GiantJambo said:

Maybe it's about time that our supporters accepted that it's nothing to do with the managers – Levein, Strachan, McLeish, Clarke or whoever – we're just crap at football. Pretty well all team games, actually.

 

Here's a pebble to toss into the pond... my theory is that countries with lots of immigrants do well at team games – Germany, France, even England. Growing up, their kids grow up wanting to be accepted in society by being national heroes. Think about who plays in these teams.

 

We really don't have many immigrants, honestly.

 

Comments welcome. Just a theory.

I thought the same but didn’t want to post it as someone is bound to bring the racist card into the equation. Another thing about immigrants is, in the main, they are in extreme poverty when they arrive in new countries so the desire to achieve success as an individual drives people on. Just read Lukaku’s comments on his childhood and his mother’s sacrifices. When listening to players from the most successful Scotland teams many of the players were trying to escape the pits so were totally focused. 

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Ray has bus pass hooray

Unfortunately most of our squad are mediocre at best imo with the exception of Robertson we are just not good enough and never will be until we have some exceptional talent coming through in the future.

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Special Agent Dale Cooper

The problem with jettisoning older players and persevering with youth is I suspect our fans would be too impatient and want Clarke out on his ear after a couple of inevitable poor results.

 

All, including fans, clubs, media, SFA etc would require patience to allow the youngsters to gel but sadly I suspect we wouldn't be willing to wait the required 18 months +

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ToqueJambo
On 07/09/2019 at 10:30, Paul Shark said:

To be fair, you can read some utter pish on here, but you take it to another level . Well done. 

 

I know. Imagine think a country can run its own affairs! Lunacy!

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Gashauskis9

If we got back to playing games in front of packed stadiums at 3pm on a boozy Saturday, maybe it would inject a bit more passion into the supporters and the players.  Half empty stadiums on a Monday night kills it.

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Icon of Symmetry
5 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said:

If we got back to playing games in front of packed stadiums at 3pm on a boozy Saturday, maybe it would inject a bit more passion into the supporters and the players.  Half empty stadiums on a Monday night kills it.

 

This is a fair point imo. I’d also get it back on terrestrial free to air TV. Do t give a shit if it costs us money from SKY. It’s the SFA’s job to find the sponsorship to negate that. How come Scottish Rugby can afford to run a comparatively better national team that is shown on free to air national TV? 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Bridge of Djoum

Younger, up to date coaches with fresh ideas who couldn’t give a **** about the OF.

 

A leadership, (SFA) who care about football and sport in general in this country.

 

Better funding.

 

Education about fitness and nutrition in schools.

 

Sadly none of these things will happen. 

 

 

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Bridge of Djoum
22 hours ago, sadj said:

No bother ill get on the spinach 👍🏻

Don’t Celtic fans already claim the high ground on helping everyone because if they reach the champs league all teams get a couple of quid? (Might be wrong it was possibly twatter i saw that on)

Any suggestions of where?

 

Suffolk is lovely.

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sadj
10 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said:

Suffolk is lovely.

 

See i used to prefer Norwich , well little plumstead but still Norwich now however......

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avhudtheteeshirt
20 hours ago, GiantJambo said:

Maybe it's about time that our supporters accepted that it's nothing to do with the managers – Levein, Strachan, McLeish, Clarke or whoever – we're just crap at football. Pretty well all team games, actually.

 

Here's a pebble to toss into the pond... my theory is that countries with lots of immigrants do well at team games – Germany, France, even England. Growing up, their kids grow up wanting to be accepted in society by being national heroes. Think about who plays in these teams.

 

We really don't have many immigrants, honestly.

 

Comments welcome. Just a theory.

Like your analogy, its the same as the American dream for coloured Americans made their sports great in order to get out of the ghettos!!!!

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ramrod
On 06/09/2019 at 23:20, CostaJambo said:

So no Hearts game this week-end and no doubt some of our football obsessed posters will be at a loose end...

 

Hoping for at least a few sensible posts from people who actually understand football and some reasonable football debate before the thread descends into a Levein oot one.

 

Leaving aside the Scotland team's recent past and moving forward, how would you fix it? Does any Jambo really care?

 

For me:

 

1. Keep Clarke, I am not convinced anyone could do any better and I am sure he sees the Scotland gig as a positive one and is desperate to succeed..

2. This would be difficult as the OF have their own agenda but if possible get someone who actually has some respect in the Scottish game to work with the clubs to develop a basic common playing style for the youngsters. Alex Ferguson would be ideal as he doesn't come with any Old Firm baggage and all clubs would listen to him but I doubt he would want to get involved at this stage of his life. Forget about dinosaurs like Strachan etc.

3. Choose passion over club, i.e. start blooding players who want to play for Scotland rather than guys playing in England who are more bothered about their next big money move or OF players who will call off from friendlies for fear of getting injured.

4. Wipe out this Euro campaign (including the Nations League qualifier) and just start working towards the next World Cup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The simple answer to the thread title is Independence, obv 

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On 08/09/2019 at 17:46, Nookie Bear said:

 

I missed this post until someone else quoted it. 

 

If the old firm leave, they still remain in the country and even more focus will be on them as they play similar opponents across Europe. Forget the rest of us playing in some parochial wee league, fighting to be “Champions of the Rest” - we would be feeder clubs for the even wealthier old firm, just as we were moving away from those times due to good financial management by the likes of us, hibs, Aberdeen and Killie. 

 

Anyway, just my tuppence worth as I never get the argument that the old firm leaving would really benefit us. 

 

Don't worry about it, it's not going to happen. There's no chance of two Scottish clubs from one city getting into any European Super League. First such a league wouldn't need them, second they definitely wouldn't want the sectarian nonsense that comes with them.

If a Super league was established it would attract the  3 or 4 biggest clubs from England and may be 20 clubs from Europe. They wouldn't be interested in more than one league imo and it would be city based, the cities being London and Manchester in England.    

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upgotheheads

https://www.thesoccerstore.co.uk/blog/football-equipment/choosing-the-right-size-football/

 

I've had a bee in my bonnet about this (and other things) for a while. I have talked with coaches who insist that a size 4 ball should be used from the start. I took my 5 year old granddaughter to coaching last week, the size 4 ball they were using almost came up to her knees.

 

Any coaches out there with an opinion?

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Longshanks

We need to try something radical because the national team has been a disgrace for far too long.  How about minimum 5 Scottish players in your 11? 

 

The loan market in Scotland hampers bringing through young talent as well (I include hearts in this) bringing 'foreign' players in on loan hampers homegrown talents development. 

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Nookie Bear
30 minutes ago, Longshanks said:

We need to try something radical because the national team has been a disgrace for far too long.  How about minimum 5 Scottish players in your 11? 

 

The loan market in Scotland hampers bringing through young talent as well (I include hearts in this) bringing 'foreign' players in on loan hampers homegrown talents development. 

 

For a while I’ve suggested the league cup (or whatever it’s called) should be used for this. Perhaps every starting 11 should have 8 players who qualify for Scotland. 

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Swanyl

It's simple.

 

Look at Belgium, Iceland etc. Copy what they did.

 

Free / cheap basic coaching for anyone who is interested in learning how to be a coach.

 

Free / cheap advanced coaching for people who are willing to coach for free for a set amount of time.

 

Free / cheap indoor facilities for all towns, villages and more facilities in cities.

 

Involvement in football for all ages, sexes and abilities.  

 

Smaller 3v3, 4v4, 5v5 games for youth so they get more time on the ball.

 

Much is talked about SFA courses at Largs,  why not get them to train up coaches all over the country to get kids playing more.

 

Instead we have a Malky MacKay papering over cracks and removing funding from area "specialist" schools. 

 

 

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👍👍

 

 

16 minutes ago, Swanyl said:

It's simple.

 

Look at Belgium, Iceland etc. Copy what they did.

 

Free / cheap basic coaching for anyone who is interested in learning how to be a coach.

 

Free / cheap advanced coaching for people who are willing to coach for free for a set amount of time.

 

Free / cheap indoor facilities for all towns, villages and more facilities in cities.

 

Involvement in football for all ages, sexes and abilities.  

 

Smaller 3v3, 4v4, 5v5 games for youth so they get more time on the ball.

 

Much is talked about SFA courses at Largs,  why not get them to train up coaches all over the country to get kids playing more.

 

Instead we have a Malky MacKay papering over cracks and removing funding from area "specialist" schools. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Walter Bishop
5 hours ago, upgotheheads said:

https://www.thesoccerstore.co.uk/blog/football-equipment/choosing-the-right-size-football/

 

I've had a bee in my bonnet about this (and other things) for a while. I have talked with coaches who insist that a size 4 ball should be used from the start. I took my 5 year old granddaughter to coaching last week, the size 4 ball they were using almost came up to her knees.

 

Any coaches out there with an opinion?

Kids use a size 3 until the play soccer 7s. 

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upgotheheads
2 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Kids use a size 3 until the play soccer 7s. 

 

Ta!

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Smith's right boot

Depressing these tyoe of threads. 

I'd forgot all about Malky Mackay being employed as some kind of football  ambassador on a £200k / year salary. 

 

What a ****ing state to get yourself into. 

 

honking. 

 

 

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jambocub
On 09/09/2019 at 19:15, avhudtheteeshirt said:

Like your analogy, its the same as the American dream for coloured Americans made their sports great in order to get out of the ghettos!!!!

Part the problem  is folk can't afford to pay the fees most of these clubs charge

 

Gone are the days when players are picked through ability, it's more to do with having the cash to pay the dds. 

 

Need to try and find a way of getting kids in the schemes playing against each other from all ages 

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JyTees

Were the Nats on this thread actually being serious, advocating independence as a fix for our dismal footballing fortunes over the past three decades? I'm intrigued as to the thought process. Any valid reasoning behind this or just typical overzealous, blind optimism?

 

Given the fact we've a Scottish minister for sport, who in Westminster are we to direct our ire towards? What should we write on the placards? I mean it wouldn't be like our first minister and her cronies to shirk existing devolved powers.

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avhudtheteeshirt
21 hours ago, jambocub said:

Part the problem  is folk can't afford to pay the fees most of these clubs charge

 

Gone are the days when players are picked through ability, it's more to do with having the cash to pay the dds. 

 

Need to try and find a way of getting kids in the schemes playing against each other from all ages 

I must have learned the hard way in back streets, playing against walls at shapes!

But, I have to admit, when I played at the side of the Usher Hall on the pavement during the dark nights, there was only about 5 cars parked in Grindlay Street, now you'll be lucky to find a parking space!!!!

Other times played crossy in the Meadows under the path lights, and in the Summer we would play at the Meadows till it got dark.

Back then there was no fees to pay, and if there was your parents told you to bolt!!!!!

You still had players picked by the likes of Salveson for trials, as they had scouts trawling round most parks looking for new talent!!

 

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gggggareth
On 07/09/2019 at 01:09, Icon of Symmetry said:

Scottish Independence. Sorry if that upsets anyone, but the OP did ask.

 

Yaaaaas!  Well said Sir. :)

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gggggareth
On 07/09/2019 at 01:17, i8hibsh said:

The Scottish National Party are turning Scotland against each other. On and off the pitch.


The Scottish race have been against each other since the days of the Clans roaming the glens!  Think about where you were brought up... how you inevitably "hated" the folk from the nearby villages.  We had it out Midlothian way, the Nitteners and the Fieldies and the Gorebriggers etc! :)

Luckily we now have this thing called democracy. And a MAJORITY of Scots want the SNP to talk for them.  M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y.  In Nicola (and Ann Budge) we trust!

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7 minutes ago, gggggareth said:


The Scottish race have been against each other since the days of the Clans roaming the glens!  Think about where you were brought up... how you inevitably "hated" the folk from the nearby villages.  We had it out Midlothian way, the Nitteners and the Fieldies and the Gorebriggers etc! :)

Luckily we now have this thing called democracy. And a MAJORITY of Scots want the SNP to talk for them.  M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y.  In Nicola (and Ann Budge) we trust!

 

 

Where do you even begin with this.

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6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Where do you even begin with this.

 

Not even half as ridiculous as your political posts tbf.

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2 hours ago, avhudtheteeshirt said:

I must have learned the hard way in back streets, playing against walls at shapes!

But, I have to admit, when I played at the side of the Usher Hall on the pavement during the dark nights, there was only about 5 cars parked in Grindlay Street, now you'll be lucky to find a parking space!!!!

Other times played crossy in the Meadows under the path lights, and in the Summer we would play at the Meadows till it got dark.

Back then there was no fees to pay, and if there was your parents told you to bolt!!!!!

You still had players picked by the likes of Salveson for trials, as they had scouts trawling round most parks looking for new talent!!

 

That's the thing I'm no sure about is there such a thing as trials or scouts  these days for juvenile  football? 

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