Maroon Sailor Posted July 26 Could be dead and buried if they don't prove their financial viability on Monday All the money sloshing around in the EFL but another club hitting skid row Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smack Posted July 26 Hope someone can dig them out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zico Posted July 26 Would be sad to see that. Got family there and my cousin’s son was on their books a decade or so back. Notts County another one not far away from going out the game. Think we can all sympathise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts1975 Posted July 27 6 hours ago, Zico said: Would be sad to see that. Got family there and my cousin’s son was on their books a decade or so back. Notts County another one not far away from going out the game. Think we can all sympathise. If you look at it now you think every club in the land would want to be part of the “English” package and more importantly, the revenues that go with it That said, the rich get richer with billionaires running the elite who at some point may get fed up with their toys. We know this more than most .. what happens to the the other teams that try and compete within. Symptoms now showing with select clubs and it has to be a worry for them long term sustainability if it is there in that league is not for all, but for some. Time will tell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Siphiwe Tshabalala Posted July 27 This has been on the cards since 2011. Some of the wages they have dished out on players like Beckford etc has taken its toll. Dont live within your means and this is what happens I’m afraid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
upgotheheads Posted July 27 The so-called financial bonanza in English football isn't for everybody, for some it's been a disaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hectormasson Posted July 27 3 hours ago, Hearts1975 said: If you look at it now you think every club in the land would want to be part of the “English” package and more importantly, the revenues that go with it That said, the rich get richer with billionaires running the elite who at some point may get fed up with their toys. We know this more than most .. what happens to the the other teams that try and compete within. Symptoms now showing with select clubs and it has to be a worry for them long term sustainability if it is there in that league is not for all, but for some. Time will tell Surely there must be some local business that could help these clubs out ? They have fan bases and people who care, maybe their council people could do more too, these teams bury ,notts county, Bolton etc are in the fabric of the English game,what a shame if they ever happen to go bust " big clubs within the areas could maybe help out with the mega millions they bring in each season ???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iantjambo Posted July 27 9 hours ago, Zico said: Would be sad to see that. Got family there and my cousin’s son was on their books a decade or so back. Notts County another one not far away from going out the game. Think we can all sympathise. Notts County have just been taken over by a Danish consortium. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwidoug Posted July 27 34 minutes ago, Prof said: Wish it was Hibs 😂😂😂😂 Will be soon enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sassenach Posted July 27 All the talk of a financial bonanza in English football is a bit of an illusion for most, I'm afraid. Take my local club Middlesbrough - they're generally around the playoff zone, quite often in the Premier League, and have twice been in the UEFA group stages within the last 15 years including a final. Add in frequent parachute money and you would imagine they would be doing OK financially. The facts are that their losses are only kept manageable by the profits of the chairman's other companies, otherwise they'd be in a terrible state. The money coming into English football only goes on crazy transfer fees and wages without any increase in quality, and in the case of medium-sized clubs like Boro with an ever-decreasing possibly of any actual success on the field (I don't class mere survival in the Premier League as "success"). I just thank my lucky stars that I discovered Hearts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turkishcap Posted July 27 This is when clubs find out who their real friends are. The ones who helped us a little bit won't be forgotten. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maroon Sailor Posted July 27 (edited) 31 minutes ago, sassenach said: All the talk of a financial bonanza in English football is a bit of an illusion for most, I'm afraid. How much will Villa get for winning a match at Wembley ? Players in the EFL's Leagues One and Two are on more money than they have ever been never mind the players in the Championship. It is a financial bonanza as the money is in the English game. No fan cares how or where it all comes from but it's there. A fan will only care when it's not there. Bury fans might have to dig deep again Edited July 27 by Maroon Sailor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_ Posted July 27 Got me thinking, how many other teams' names are verbs? Off the top of my head, came up with Hull and Stoke, but there must be more than that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheile Posted July 27 8 minutes ago, Craig_ said: Got me thinking, how many other teams' names are verbs? Off the top of my head, came up with Hull and Stoke, but there must be more than that... Reading Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sassenach Posted July 27 46 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: How much will Villa get for winning a match at Wembley ? Players in the EFL's Leagues One and Two are on more money than they have ever been never mind the players in the Championship. It is a financial bonanza as the money is in the English game. No fan cares how or where it all comes from but it's there. A fan will only care when it's not there. Bury fans might have to dig deep again It's only a financial bonanza if there's some benefit to be gained from the finance. If clubs with multi-million pound turnovers are still posting 7-figure losses, where's the bonanza? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts1975 Posted July 27 2 hours ago, Hectormasson said: Surely there must be some local business that could help these clubs out ? They have fan bases and people who care, maybe their council people could do more too, these teams bury ,notts county, Bolton etc are in the fabric of the English game,what a shame if they ever happen to go bust " big clubs within the areas could maybe help out with the mega millions they bring in each season ???? Too true and fully agree with the amount of money which is “wasted” down there you would think that for all the waste it could be given to the clubs that need it most. Unfortunately, that won’t happen and the governing bodies wouldn’t push it as a ruling for fear they would upset all of their power spenders at the wealthiest clubs there are cracks appearing now which shows that there are deep rooted problems with the set up down there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
busby1985 Posted July 27 Expect some “huge” “unbelievable” “you won’t believe this” type signing or transfer news come Monday if Bury do go tits up. Sky are masters of distraction. Bale will be linked with Spurs or Man United and it will be the full 24 hour news for that day, with a slight 5 minute nod to Bury every now and then. The show must go on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maroon Sailor Posted July 27 34 minutes ago, sassenach said: It's only a financial bonanza if there's some benefit to be gained from the finance. If clubs with multi-million pound turnovers are still posting 7-figure losses, where's the bonanza? Clubs are milking the TV money Clubs like Bournemouth and Watford benefit from that big style Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leginten Posted July 27 1 hour ago, Craig_ said: Got me thinking, how many other teams' names are verbs? Off the top of my head, came up with Hull and Stoke, but there must be more than that... Hibs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maroon Sailor Posted July 27 1 hour ago, Craig_ said: Got me thinking, how many other teams' names are verbs? Off the top of my head, came up with Hull and Stoke, but there must be more than that... Crewe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RudiHMFC Posted July 27 2 hours ago, Turkishcap said: This is when clubs find out who their real friends are. The ones who helped us a little bit won't be forgotten. True. Who were they again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Craig_ Posted July 27 35 minutes ago, leginten said: Hibs. Nice work! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maroon Sailor Posted July 27 1 hour ago, Craig_ said: Got me thinking, how many other teams' names are verbs? Off the top of my head, came up with Hull and Stoke, but there must be more than that... Ayr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitch41 Posted July 27 1 hour ago, Maroon Sailor said: Ayr Bury is a great wee town but suffers being so close to Manchester. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitch41 Posted July 27 A few years ago Gary Neville helped them out with a few quid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tasavallan Posted July 27 3 hours ago, Craig_ said: Got me thinking, how many other teams' names are verbs? Off the top of my head, came up with Hull and Stoke, but there must be more than that... Leeds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tasavallan Posted July 27 25 minutes ago, mitch41 said: Bury is a great wee town but suffers being so close to Manchester. Greater Manchester clubs not having a great start to the season. Bolton and Bury deducted 12 points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sassenach Posted July 27 2 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Clubs are milking the TV money Clubs like Bournemouth and Watford benefit from that big style Bournemouth's most recent accounts showed a loss of 10.9 million pounds, although they did make profits in previous seasons, mainly due to prize money from higher finishes. The TV money alone isn't enough. That's the point I was trying to make, the money is there for the clubs that do really well, but not for the rest. Bournemouth's bubble will burst in time, possibly quite soon. There is a good chance that a couple of years later they will be in a lower division, in debt, and with no more parachute money. Some of their fans might feel as if they have lived the dream of being in the Premier League, but it's not the same for clubs like Boro, Leeds, Derby etc who throughout their history are used to being up there, but who now have to sustain losses to try to get there and bigger losses trying to remain there. Just getting up there and surviving has become the be-all-and-end-all, and I just can't see the point. The money really has ruined football for all but the most successful clubs in England, which as I have said many times is why I am so glad that I discovered Hearts after many years of disillusionment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maroon Sailor Posted July 27 4 minutes ago, Tasavallan said: Greater Manchester clubs not having a great start to the season. Bolton and Bury deducted 12 points. Bury bottom on alphabetical order Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turkishcap Posted July 27 3 hours ago, RudiHMFC said: True. Who were they again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlatanable Posted July 29 BBC Sport - Bury v MK Dons called off by EFL but Wycombe v Bolton to go ahead http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49156362 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smith's right boot Posted July 29 There's a lot money in England but almost every club is in mountains of debt. It makes no sense at all. Clubs in the championship paying millions for players, paying millions in wages but are several tens of millions in debt, some hundreds. **** knows how it works tbh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted July 29 On 27/07/2019 at 10:57, Craig_ said: Got me thinking, how many other teams' names are verbs? Off the top of my head, came up with Hull and Stoke, but there must be more than that... I know it's a nickname, but what about the Cottagers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tasavallan Posted July 29 Brexit will have a impact on players. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EIEIO Posted July 29 When you think how much money the fat cats of Liverpool and Napoli made yesterday it's very hard hard not to feel sorry for Bury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Muddie Posted July 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: There's a lot money in England but almost every club is in mountains of debt. It makes no sense at all. Clubs in the championship paying millions for players, paying millions in wages but are several tens of millions in debt, some hundreds. **** knows how it works tbh. Extend and pretend - same as house price manipulation. Same as money supply manipulation. When everything fecks up they find a way to kick the can. Any way will do. Whole UK fur coats and nae knickers. Too big to fail. Not on my watch. Pass the buck. Visual stimulation ;-) Edited July 29 by Stephen Muddie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Kdogg Posted July 29 English clubs are run like governments. Loadsa money kicking around and mountains of debt. Sensible system 🤪🤪🤪 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobNox Posted July 30 On 27/07/2019 at 11:55, Maroon Sailor said: Clubs are milking the TV money Clubs like Bournemouth and Watford benefit from that big style While they are in the EPL they do, but most of that TV money goes on paying inflated fees and wages to players as well as agents fees. When these clubs are relegated they face huge financial losses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter_hmfc Posted July 30 On 26/07/2019 at 23:16, Maroon Sailor said: Could be dead and buried if they don't prove their financial viability on Monday All the money sloshing around in the EFL but another club hitting skid row Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarneyBattles44 Posted July 30 4 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: There's a lot money in England but almost every club is in mountains of debt. It makes no sense at all. Clubs in the championship paying millions for players, paying millions in wages but are several tens of millions in debt, some hundreds. **** knows how it works tbh. The debt works if assets outweigh liabilities. The top sides are buried in debt some thrive others play catch up. The CL Europa League National league National Cups European places League place payment A guess 1 Trillion debt in EPL I feel for sides that run the risk of bankruptcy but debt runs the world Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paolo Posted July 30 6 hours ago, Tasavallan said: Brexit will have a impact on players. In the Premeir League, bet little, I think, but perhaps a good one for up and coming British players, who particularly in England, are ignored, as clubs spend a lot of money on foreign players. It might mean clubs become more ‘local’. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smith's right boot Posted July 30 5 hours ago, BarneyBattles44 said: The debt works if assets outweigh liabilities. The top sides are buried in debt some thrive others play catch up. The CL Europa League National league National Cups European places League place payment A guess 1 Trillion debt in EPL I feel for sides that run the risk of bankruptcy but debt runs the world It runs the world, but the fact the teams are allowed to keep on adding to it makes the mind boggle, especially in the championships or lower. Lots of clubs are in trouble even as we speak. Piss's me off that a club like Notts forest, over £100m in debt can give a player more wages than Hearts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sac Posted July 30 All going to go tits up down there apart from those at the top table. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Treasurer Posted July 30 While it's sad to see clubs (apart from an obvious one or two) going under, it is not a surprise, especially in the lower English leagues, The fact that teams like Salford are prepared offer a better deal than clubs near the top of the SPFL show that they are spending money they don't have. If you keep living out with your means then it will only end in tears, as (hopefully) sevco will find out in the not too distant future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sexton Hardcastle Posted July 30 Got them earlier in the close season to be relegated at a decent price. Every cloud and that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jack D and coke Posted July 30 On 27/07/2019 at 09:59, sassenach said: All the talk of a financial bonanza in English football is a bit of an illusion for most, I'm afraid. Take my local club Middlesbrough - they're generally around the playoff zone, quite often in the Premier League, and have twice been in the UEFA group stages within the last 15 years including a final. Add in frequent parachute money and you would imagine they would be doing OK financially. The facts are that their losses are only kept manageable by the profits of the chairman's other companies, otherwise they'd be in a terrible state. The money coming into English football only goes on crazy transfer fees and wages without any increase in quality, and in the case of medium-sized clubs like Boro with an ever-decreasing possibly of any actual success on the field (I don't class mere survival in the Premier League as "success"). I just thank my lucky stars that I discovered Hearts. Crazy. Is it still Steve Gibson? He’s put some money into Boro that’s for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Poseidon Posted July 30 On 27/07/2019 at 10:57, Craig_ said: Got me thinking, how many other teams' names are verbs? Off the top of my head, came up with Hull and Stoke, but there must be more than that... York Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Poseidon Posted July 30 Luton and Lincoln but a bit tenuous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
