Craig_ Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Exeter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 27/07/2019 at 09:59, sassenach said: All the talk of a financial bonanza in English football is a bit of an illusion for most, I'm afraid. Take my local club Middlesbrough - they're generally around the playoff zone, quite often in the Premier League, and have twice been in the UEFA group stages within the last 15 years including a final. Add in frequent parachute money and you would imagine they would be doing OK financially. The facts are that their losses are only kept manageable by the profits of the chairman's other companies, otherwise they'd be in a terrible state. The money coming into English football only goes on crazy transfer fees and wages without any increase in quality, and in the case of medium-sized clubs like Boro with an ever-decreasing possibly of any actual success on the field (I don't class mere survival in the Premier League as "success"). I just thank my lucky stars that I discovered Hearts. but they don't need to pay that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Muddie Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Craig_ said: Exeter! No. I just like staying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarneyBattles44 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 10 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: It runs the world, but the fact the teams are allowed to keep on adding to it makes the mind boggle, especially in the championships or lower. Lots of clubs are in trouble even as we speak. Piss's me off that a club like Notts forest, over £100m in debt can give a player more wages than Hearts. Sports sides eat up money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 2nd game postponed... Donald ducked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: We can confirm that today we have received an offer for the sale of Bury Football Club, one that we all at the Club believe is a very good offer. This offer has been conveyed to Steve Dale and we are still waiting to hear from him. This offer is the only lifeline for the future of the Club and we implore Steve Dale to accept it, as it has the full backing of all of the senior staff at Bury FC. Sounds like the club has gone native on social media, i.e. against the owner. It would be like FOH tweeting against Ann Budge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Footballfirst said: Sounds like the club has gone native on social media, i.e. against the owner. It would be like FOH tweeting against Ann Budge. What would he gain by not accepting it? Is it a Ronnee Pawnee type security over everything so he would get the ground etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, sadj said: What would he gain by not accepting it? Is it a Ronnee Pawnee type security over everything so he would get the ground etc? The BBC is reporting on the statement but there is no information (as yet) about what is involved with the offer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49324224 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoChiMinter Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 There’s a good documentary somewhere...maybe Vice or something...which shows some of the Bury young football casuals. None of whom seem like the usual pricks you’d associate with casuals. Good watch, anyone know the name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Saturdays match against Gillingham has been suspended. From what I can gather, they have until 23 August to get their finances in order or they face FA expulsion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 15, 2019 Author Share Posted August 15, 2019 Tuesday's match v Rotherham off as well Could be the last straw for Bury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Tuesday's match v Rotherham off as well Could be the last straw for Bury Dead and Bury'd by the look of it. Jokes apart, never good, sad for those who will have given countless hours for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Sad times but if they go shove an arse cheek in to take their place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORTHCLYDE Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 The true facts seem to be hidden. They owner wants the new buyer to pay £13 million debt. But new buyer does not. Also different stories being told to Football League. Local MP wants City and United to bail them out! But no way would they pay £6.5 million each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Turkishcap said: Sad times but if they go shove an arse cheek in to take their place. What a result that would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, FORTHCLYDE said: The true facts seem to be hidden. They owner wants the new buyer to pay £13 million debt. But new buyer does not. Also different stories being told to Football League. Local MP wants City and United to bail them out! But no way would they pay £6.5 million each. I thought I heard the current owner on 5Live yesterday saying he wants the new owner to pay the CVA - which is 25% of the original £14M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Sir Gio said: Dead and Bury'd by the look of it. Jokes apart, never good, sad for those who will have given countless hours for this https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/10416261.unfortunate-helping-bury-animals-charity-slogan-goes-viral/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, FORTHCLYDE said: The true facts seem to be hidden. They owner wants the new buyer to pay £13 million debt. But new buyer does not. Also different stories being told to Football League. Local MP wants City and United to bail them out! But no way would they pay £6.5 million each. Asking other clubs to prop them up is pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Asking other clubs to prop them up is pointless. Why should they? sounds harsh, but it's not up to other organisations to fund them. bury fc need to start again, ensure they have their football share and apply to whichever football league will accept them. this is going to happen to more and more lower league clubs who no longer have mental sugar daddies taking a punt on them (e.g. Fleetwood, Burton, forest green etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Football associations/league authorities should employ their own auditors to produce reports every season Clubs should be warned and not allowed to sign players on a far more regular basis than currently applies and simply put they should be told to cut costs and if that means wages for players so be it I fail to understand what is difficult about telling fans we have a budget and we won't or cannot exceed it if you want a club to support In a short period of time clubs will have to fall into line in a true financial fair play set up If you want to invest then there should be restrictions on loans etc you place on the club and guarantees should be sought and enforced so owners understand no more financial chicanery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Jim Panzee said: Why should they? sounds harsh, but it's not up to other organisations to fund them. bury fc need to start again, ensure they have their football share and apply to whichever football league will accept them. this is going to happen to more and more lower league clubs who no longer have mental sugar daddies taking a punt on them (e.g. Fleetwood, Burton, forest green etc) Burton? Probably want to check up on that one👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Sad state of affairs As ever the loyal fans suffer the most https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/08/15/bury-another-growing-list-efl-clubs-financial-crisis-fans-fear/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, CJGJ said: Football associations/league authorities should employ their own auditors to produce reports every season Clubs should be warned and not allowed to sign players on a far more regular basis than currently applies and simply put they should be told to cut costs and if that means wages for players so be it I fail to understand what is difficult about telling fans we have a budget and we won't or cannot exceed it if you want a club to support In a short period of time clubs will have to fall into line in a true financial fair play set up If you want to invest then there should be restrictions on loans etc you place on the club and guarantees should be sought and enforced so owners understand no more financial chicanery Yet some on here complain about Ann Budge's fiscal prudence, the business takes priority over the football etc. There are even some who reminisce about the Vlad era and would appear to be prepared to risk the long term future of the club again for the possibility of some short term success. After being to the brink and back on 3 occasions during my lifetime, I have no desire to see us there again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 On 30/07/2019 at 15:33, sassenach said: I know they don't have to pay over the odds, and there is some belt-tightening going on at the moment, but eventually clubs have to spend to avoid being left behind. There is also a premium to be paid by less-attractive clubs. Let's face it, any half-decent player wouldn't choose to be at a team like Middlesbrough unless they were earning good money. Middlesbrough had their own problems 30 odd years ago. From wiki The club experienced severe financial difficulties during the mid-1980s.[20] Middlesbrough were dropping down the table, and finished 19th in the 1984–85 season. In April 1986, the club had to borrow £30,000 from the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) to pay wages. The final game of the season saw Middlesbrough relegated to the Third Division again.[9] That summer, the club called in the Provisional Liquidator and shortly afterwards, the club was wound up and the gates to Ayresome Park were padlocked. Without the £350,000 capital required for Football League registration, a new rule, it seemed inevitable that the club would fold permanently.[21] Steve Gibson, however, a member of the board at the time, brought together a consortium, and with 10 minutes to spare before the deadline they completed their registration with the Football League for the 1986–87 season.[22]Following the registration came both a change of club crest and a change of the official company name to Middlesbrough Football and Athletic Club (1986) Ltd.[23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 My first thought is to say it's Darwinism at work. If you don't adapt, you die. But in truth it's much more complicated than that. Many clubs, especially down south, feel pressured into trying to keep up with others with the blinkered lights of financial holy grail if they do well and get within sight of the premiership/championship. However, in reality, it puts more in trouble than most. In all seriousness, if this carries on the way it's going, in about 15 years there will be a top 6, and everyone else amateur. (OK, slight exaggeration, but not by much). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, trotter said: My first thought is to say it's Darwinism at work. If you don't adapt, you die. But in truth it's much more complicated than that. Many clubs, especially down south, feel pressured into trying to keep up with others with the blinkered lights of financial holy grail if they do well and get within sight of the premiership/championship. However, in reality, it puts more in trouble than most. In all seriousness, if this carries on the way it's going, in about 15 years there will be a top 6, and everyone else amateur. (OK, slight exaggeration, but not by much). Former league clubs just seem to reform after going bust. Here are a few I can think of Halifax Hereford Aldershot Boston Chester Maidstone Rushden & Diamonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_McNulty Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Former flatmate of mine is a huge Shakers fan. Saw a few games back in the day. Sad to see Bury in this shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E6 Inc Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 If either of the ugly sisters had any real ambition to move to the English leagues they would buy a 'going-bust' team, turn it into a feeder team and apply for them to be moved to Glasgow. I'm actually really surprised they never have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Notts1874 said: Burton? Probably want to check up on that one👍 just did - I coudn't have picked a worse example! - polar opposite replace with salford... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gov Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Wow - if use get a chance listen to bury owner and midfielder going at it on talk sport radio. its a 10 minute clip on the twitter account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesandears Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 hours ago, gov said: Wow - if use get a chance listen to bury owner and midfielder going at it on talk sport radio. its a 10 minute clip on the twitter account. Heard it live earlier and it is quite horrific. Steve Dale is at it and blames everyone other than himself. Total charlatan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, eyesandears said: Heard it live earlier and it is quite horrific. Steve Dale is at it and blames everyone other than himself. Total charlatan. Seems to have a history of everything he touches goes down the pan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Been following this and at first you felt sorry for the current owner who looked like he was doing all he could to save the club. The truth is now emerging and the guy is looking like a right Petrie. Hopefully Bury pull through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesandears Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Seems to have a history of everything he touches goes down the pan Yes, and he's not the only one. The EFL were asleep at the wheel when Stewart Day sold to him for a £1 back in December and Steve Dale glides in with no checks on his ability or willingness to fund the club. I have huge sympathy for their fans as their club is now on the very edge of existence due to the current and past owners' largesse and egos and a poorly governed governing body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, eyesandears said: Yes, and he's not the only one. The EFL were asleep at the wheel when Stewart Day sold to him for a £1 back in December and Steve Dale glides in with no checks on his ability or willingness to fund the club. I have huge sympathy for their fans as their club is now on the very edge of existence due to the current and past owners' largesse and egos and a poorly governed governing body. They can just come back as The Bury and buy the history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Smithee said: They can just come back as The Bury and buy the history. Ridiculous, no team would ever get away with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haringshairband Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 On the news tonight they have 48 hours to sort out their finances. The ex chairwoman handcuffed herself to a pipe outside the stadium in protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Stealing someone else's thunder on here but if Bury and Bolton were to go under, I hope they don't, fantastic opportunity for the English authorities to really boost their game by inviting the OF to come and join them. We would miss them terribly but change is inevitable and we'd just have to get on with it. In my case, I'd down at least 10 bottles of champagne to console myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phage Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 On 16/08/2019 at 02:49, Maroon Sailor said: Former league clubs just seem to reform after going bust. Here are a few I can think of Halifax Hereford Aldershot Boston Chester Maidstone Rushden & Diamonds Wimbledon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number-16 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: Stealing someone else's thunder on here but if Bury and Bolton were to go under, I hope they don't, fantastic opportunity for the English authorities to really boost their game by inviting the OF to come and join them. We would miss them terribly but change is inevitable and we'd just have to get on with it. In my case, I'd down at least 10 bottles of champagne to console myself. 9 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: Celtic could buy them and do a Wimbledon/MK Dons as it is, for probably less than they spent on some of their summer signings. Or we could buy them and use it as a second team where we can develop players and punt players we want to sell. Edited August 22, 2019 by number-16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Phage said: Wimbledon They didn't go bust They relocated and changed name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonjambo Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Yeah but just think of the "mad rollercoaster" of a great time that the fans had when they were overspending and living massively outwith their means. Wouldn't change it for the world. In fact, they should build a statue .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 12 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: Stealing someone else's thunder on here but if Bury and Bolton were to go under, I hope they don't, fantastic opportunity for the English authorities to really boost their game by inviting the OF to come and join them. We would miss them terribly but change is inevitable and we'd just have to get on with it. In my case, I'd down at least 10 bottles of champagne to console myself. With all due respect, it is easy to sit in NZ and propose that as an idea whereas the reality is that the old firm benefit from playing in a stronger, richer, league, and we are still left with their fans infesting our streets, not to mention the media ignoring our clubs even more than they do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: With all due respect, it is easy to sit in NZ and propose that as an idea whereas the reality is that the old firm benefit from playing in a stronger, richer, league, and we are still left with their fans infesting our streets, not to mention the media ignoring our clubs even more than they do now. Correct. It's naive to think BBC Scotland , Daily Record etc would ignore RanTic and promote Scottish domestic football in their absence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: With all due respect, it is easy to sit in NZ and propose that as an idea whereas the reality is that the old firm benefit from playing in a stronger, richer, league, and we are still left with their fans infesting our streets, not to mention the media ignoring our clubs even more than they do now. Sky's "in depth" look at Scottish football would disappear altogether if they didn't have an interview with slippy G followed by an advert for the next OF game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Darlington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 Bury owner Steve Dale has told Sky Sports News that four parties are interested in saving the club from liquidation, with Sky sources saying one party is in advanced discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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XXX Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 I’d pledge money, but not to Steve Dale and his inability to see that is what’s about to kill the club by the look of it. Hopefully, something concrete’s in place come midnight - it’s like a sadistic deadline day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lithuania Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 They got any decent players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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